VANDERBURGH COUNTY

DRAINAGE BOARD

APRIL 26, 2005

The Vanderburgh County Drainage Board met in session this 26^th day of April, 2005 at 4:20 p.m. in room 301 of the Civic Center Complex with President Cheryl Musgrave presiding.

President Musgrave: Call to order the Vanderburgh County Drainage Board for April 26^th.

President Musgrave: Do I hear a motion to approve the minutes of the previous meeting?

Commissioner Crouch: So moved.

Commissioner Nix: Second.

President Musgrave: All those in favor?

All Commissioners: Aye.

President Musgrave: The motion carries.

President Musgrave: We now move on to our drainage plans, starting with Creekside Meadows, final plan.

Bill Jeffers: Creekside Meadow is a large residential subdivision located north of Earle, Indiana on the east side of Petersburg Road. Hornby Lane and Fisher Lane bisect the development. It’s represented here tonight by engineers from Morley and Associates. The final plan comports with the drainage ordinance, and the Vanderburgh County Surveyor recommends approval of the plan.

President Musgrave: Is the engineer here? Does any member of the public have any comments to make regarding this plan? Any of the Commissioners?

Commissioner Crouch: No questions. I’ll make a motion to approve Creekside Meadows, final plan.

Commissioner Nix: Second.

President Musgrave: All those in favor?

All Commissioners: Aye.

President Musgrave: The motion carries.

President Musgrave: We move now to Old Orchard Subdivision, final plan.

Bill Jeffers: Old Orchard Subdivision is a small three lot residential subdivision located on Kuebler Road, very close to Big Cynthiana Road. It already has one house on the property. The property owner is dividing off two other lots, very large lots in order to build two additional homes. The final drainage plan for Old Orchard Subdivision comports with the drainage ordinance and the County Surveyor recommends approval of the plan.

President Musgrave: And the engineer is present? Is that Morley and Associates as well?

Bill Jeffers: Yes, that’s Jon Kipling from Morley and Associates.

President Musgrave: Welcome, Jon. Does any member of the public have any comments regarding Old Orchard Subdivision? Sir, please come to the microphone and state your name.

Larry Toone: My name is Larry Toone. I live at the corner of Kuebler Road and Highway 65, known as the Big Cynthiana Highway. This property, the Old Orchard Hills Subdivision is north of my property. I’m on the south side, they’re on the north. I have a problem with drainage there. There is a big culvert pipe that’s been put in new recently by the county. I catch all the water from that side of the road. I own approximately four acres there, which that area affected is a horse pasture. I raise horses. What I am concerned about is when they build homes on the hill up there, and the water flows down there that I’m going to catch more water. My property has already dropped two, three, or maybe four feet in the last several years. This property also extends the ditch drainage, goes back behind two other homes, and then to the church’s property. That is the only concern that I have, providing that they are just going to build two homes. I think it takes two and a half acres now for a septic system in the county, and to build two homes up there, if there is some way to revert the water where I don’t have to catch all of it, cause, like I say, my pasture has dropped there on the corner. That’s my only concern.

Commissioner Crouch: Can you point out where you are here?

Larry Toone: I am on the corner of 65 and Kuebler Road. (Inaudible) Fehrenbacher Cabinet Shop, and then (Inaudible) property joins mine, and right about (Inaudible) the ground slopes–

Madelyn Grayson: Sir, can you make your comments at the microphone?

Larry Toone: (Inaudible).

Commissioner Nix: Can you come back to the microphone please?

Larry Toone: The property slopes down from 65, Highway 65, down the Kuebler Road side, and the water, my property is located in the middle and there’s a ditch there, and, like I say, the county just put in a new, larger culvert pipe.

Commissioner Nix: Sir?

Larry Toone: I catch the water.

Commissioner Nix: That pipe, was that put under 65?

Larry Toone: There is a new pipe put in at 65, they reverted it from my side of the corner of 65 and Kuebler Road. The state evidently done that on 65.

Commissioner Nix: But, there’s another on Kuebler?

Larry Toone: There’s another one on Kuebler Road, just been put in recently. It is in a low part of the section. It comes off the hill of this proposed subdivision. I catch all the water from that area down through my property. The erosion of my property, my pasture has dropped, like I say, approximately four foot in recent years. That would be my only concern for the building of the property.

Bill Jeffers: What is the ground cover on the two lots...there’s already a house on one of the three lots of this new subdivision.

Larry Toone: Yes.

Bill Jeffers: What’s the ground cover on the other two lots like right now? Is it wooded, pastured?

Larry Toone: It’s a pastured ground, and there is some woods along the ditch there.

Commissioner Nix: That’s what the state put in?

Larry Toone: Yeah.

Commissioner Nix: Okay.

Bill Jeffers: Generally speaking, our subdivision code requires storm water detention if they’re going to place 10,000 square feet of new, hard surface. This subdivision here is not going to establish 10,000 square feet of new, hard surface because it only is going to establish two homes, possibly a swimming pool, possibly a couple of gravel driveways. So, by our ordinance they actually do not have to have storm water detention, because of the very small amount of new, hard surface they would establish. We believe that that new, hard surface will be offset by the homeowners converting that pasture into more of a lawn, using lawn grasses, and mowing it frequently will establish a tighter turf and slow the water down and absorb more of the water. So, we feel like there will be less water coming off per second after development of the two homes than there is coming off that rough pasture at this time. We don’t anticipate that they will do anything that would generate more water that would come down across your property.

Larry Toone: Well, my concern, this property is mowed, I’ve already mowed that pasture four times this year. It’s fertilized, reseeded every year. It’s properly taken care of.

Bill Jeffers: Your property?

Larry Toone: That’s right.

Bill Jeffers: Yes, sir.

Larry Toone: And, the water that comes in there lays in this low spot between the sloping Kuebler Road, and drains through the middle down into my property. Like you say, the property, I can understand the less concrete they put up there, or blacktop, whatever, would catch more water the more concrete they put up there. But, my concern is, you know, if the water doesn’t catch, I know it’s naturally, I’ve been there 36 years, and I’ve had this problem. I’ve done about everything I could do, but as long as the county drain pipe is put from one side of the road to the other, and I understand that the water, rain water and drainage water has to go somewhere.

Bill Jeffers: Right, we can’t change the natural pattern of the water. In other words we couldn’t move the pipe so that it went on to someone else’s property, because it’s historically drained on to you all this time.

Larry Toone: Well, my concern is about there being more water.

Bill Jeffers: I understand.

Larry Toone: You know, I don’t know how they’re going to build this. I haven’t seen the plans for it. I don’t know how much concrete or blacktop they’re going to put down up there. All I saw was that it was a subdivision and two homes.

Bill Jeffers: Well, typically, on this one it will be two homes, and, typically, they would be about 2,000 square feet each, plus whatever sidewalk or patio that might be included. I imagine that on this type of subdivision they could have a detached garage might be another 500 square feet. So, when you add all that together they are well under the 10,000 square feet that they’re allowed before they’re required to have a detention basin.

Commissioner Nix: Sir, did the improvements the state did, and the recent improvements the county did, has that helped the situation at all?

Larry Toone: No, it hasn’t. In fact, the improvement that the state done, since it’s been done there probably hasn’t been a gallon of water run through the new pipe. As far as I’m concerned it was a waste of the state’s money. There was a drain there which did come out on my corner, under Kuebler Road. It was from Kuebler Road, over to the other side of my property, which had very little drainage system to it. So, they blocked it, covered it up, put in this new pipe. Where I went to school and what I learned, water does not run up hill. It runs downhill. But there’s no water that’s even come through this state pipe there. Why they done it I don’t know. Then the county come out and put a bigger one in on Kuebler Road and rocked the bank, which I have kept, tried to maintain, and hold back what water I could. You know, I know it’s got to go somewhere. Water, like I say, runs downhill, my property slopes too, but I have kept it mowed, and fertilized for my horses. You know, it’s on a highway, I try to maintain it and take care of it.

Commissioner Crouch: Would it be possible for the board to allow this gentleman to meet with the developer just briefly, perhaps in the hallway, kind of look at the plans and get some comfort level, and then we can come back to that later in the agenda?

Commissioner Musgrave: Would you be agreeable to stepping aside with him and going over it and coming back in a little bit?

Larry Toone: Yes, I’ll be, you know, I’m running on a time basis. I’ve got mares at home and young colts that need to be properly taken care of at the proper time. You know, if it’s not going to require too much time, I would be more than happy to do that.

Commissioner Musgrave: How about ten, fifteen minutes, I think you should probably be able to cover it.

Larry Toone: That should be fine. That will be fine.

Commissioner Musgrave: Alright we’ll call you back up.

Commissioner Musgrave: In that case we’ll move now to Dawnridge Subdivision, final plan.

Bill Jeffers: Dawnridge Subdivision is located just about 300, 400 feet east of Green River Road, on the north side of Millersburg Road. I believe it has 80, proposes to have 80 new residential lots. It’s represented here tonight also by Morley and Associates.

Ron London: Hey, Bill? Dawnridge is on Boehne Camp and Hogue.

Bill Jeffers: Oh, wrong one. Dawnridge, it’s on Boehne Camp and Hogue Road.

Commissioner Nix: That’s the wrong end of the county, Bill.

Bill Jeffers: Yeah, wrong end of the county. This one is located across the street from Perry Heights Middle School, is that right? On the south side of Hogue Road about a quarter mile north of Lloyd Expressway. Very hilly ground. It’s been put on hold for about a year. It’s transferred to a different developer. It’s now ready for a final drainage plan approval. The Surveyor has actually reviewed this plan, and it comports with the county drainage code, and the County Surveyor recommends approval of Dawnridge Subdivision’s final drainage plan.

Commissioner Musgrave: Is there anyone here to speak to Dawnridge? Sir? State your name and address.

Ron London: My name is Ron London with Morley and Associates. I’m just the engineer on the project.

Commissioner Musgrave: Okay. No members of the public? No questions? Do the Commissioners have any questions?

Commissioner Nix: Move approval.

Commissioner Crouch: Second.

President Musgrave: All those in favor?

All Commissioners: Aye.

President Musgrave: The motion carries. May I just say that as a mother of two kids who went through Perry Heights, I had always wanted that to be a parking lot, but, oh well.

President Musgrave: We move now to Brad and Vicky Pitts Equine Center, final plan.

Bill Jeffers: This is simply a piece of agricultural ground located on Hedden Road about midway between Millersburg Road and Kansas Road. It’s on the west side of the road. The applicants desire to build a horse barn, a riding rink to give riding lessons, etcetera. Because the horse barn and the parking lot together will be greater than 10,000 square feet of new, hard surface they are required to come through the Drainage Board for approval. All the water from the barn and the rooftop and the new parking surface will be taken back to an existing farm pond, routed through the farm pond and detention before it’s released into Furlich Creek. Very simple plan. Mr. Nix is looking at it at this time. It’s also got an erosion control plan attached to it that’s been approved by SWCD. The County Surveyor recommends approval of this final drainage plan for Brad and Vicky Pitts Equine Center on Hedden Road.

President Musgrave: Is there anyone here to speak to this matter?

Bill Jeffers: Mr. Justin Shofstall from Easley Engineering drew the plan and is here to represent it.

President Musgrave: Any questions for Mr. Shofstall? Is there a motion?

Commissioner Crouch: (Inaudible).

President Musgrave: I’m sorry. Is anyone from the public here?

Commissioner Crouch: Motion to approve Brad and Vicky Pitts Equine Center.

Commissioner Nix: Second.

President Musgrave: All those in favor?

All Commissioners: Aye.

President Musgrave: The motion carries. Thank you.

President Musgrave: We move now to Blue Heron Estates, final plan.

Bill Jeffers: Blue Heron Estates is the subdivision of 80 lots that’s on Millersburg Road. It’s on the north side of Millersburg Road about 300 feet east of Green River Road. The plan is represented by Morley and Associates. Mr. Jim Morley, Jr. is here to speak to the plan, if need be. Like I said, it’s got 80 lots, it’s got two detention basins, one discharges into, will discharge into Millersburg Road, they intend to improve the road side ditch to receive that water. It will be carried down under Green River Road and in to Furlich Creek. The north end of the subdivision is serviced by another detention basin which discharges into a farm drain, and then is received by Blue Grass Creek. The plan comports with the county’s drainage ordinance, and the County Surveyor recommends approval of the final drainage plan for Blue Heron Estates.

President Musgrave: Is there anyone here to speak to Blue Heron Estates from the public? Does the engineer have any comments?

Jim Morley, Jr.: Just to answer any questions that you might have.

President Musgrave: Do the Commissioners have any questions?

Commissioner Crouch: Motion to approve.

Commissioner Nix: Second.

President Musgrave: All those in favor?

All Commissioners: Aye.

President Musgrave: The motion carries.

Jim Morley, Jr.: Thank you.

President Musgrave: We move now to Bennett Point Condos, final plan.

Bill Jeffers: Bennett Point Condos is located on Burkhardt Road at the end of Colonial Gardens Drive, oh, I guess, about a little less than a thousand feet north of Old Boonville Highway. Mr. Johnson proposes to build condominium homes. The plan was drawn by Justin Shofstall of Easley Engineering. Both Mr. Johnson and Mr. Shofstall are available to answer questions from the board. The condominium plan comports with the drainage ordinance. They have obtained an off-site easement to carry this water to Crawford Brandeis Ditch. The County Surveyor recommends approval of the final drainage plan for Bennett Point Condominiums.

President Musgrave: Is there anyone here to speak to Bennett Point? I see a gentleman in the back. Please come forward and state your name and address and your concern.

Mike Miodus: Hello, my name is Mike Miodus. I live at 3012 Colonial Garden Road. I spoke before to the County Commissioners about this, and I know that they do have the easement now to get drainage down to Brandeis Crawford, which is a good thing. We need that. My only concern is the same thing that I brought up before at a County Commissioner meeting when we first did the Area Plan on that, is just the guarantee that we’re going to actually have drainage there in the future. Case in point, from Country Trace there it would be on your, do you all still have that little red pointer.

Brenda Jeffers: Yes. I’ve got one. Sure.

Mike Miodus: Because I’ll walk up there and you all can’t hear me. The bottom part here where they wanted to have, and I went ahead and brought the original draft that they had for Country Trace that I kept, as far as their sewage and drainage easement at that time. That’s not been done, so, that’s been simply filled in with, you know, me and Mr. Jeffers talked about this last time, you know, with fences and that sort of stuff. So, none of that’s being drained today, you know, off that edge. If the same thing happens with Bennett Point where all that area, and the area that I’m talking about is all this area right in here. You know, that’s not been drained today from Country Trace, and, well, you know, just to go ahead and (Inaudible) Point they did the same thing. (expletive deleted) I’m sorry. There we go, and the same thing along Country, Colonial Gardens right in there, those were all supposed to have swales on them, 24 to 25 foot swales, as far as to help drain that area off. I don’t see anything on the Bennett Point, (Inaudible) the drainage of that nature today, and, I know, I guess, we can’t go back 20 years and make the people before do the drainage. I just want to be sure that something is going to be in place that when you all okay this, that there is some type of adequate drainage like we were promised 20 years ago to that area. If somebody decides to build a fence on there, and somebody else says, no, you can’t do that, or if they want to have access out to Colonial Gardens, you know, that we have some type of legal recourse, rather than having me walk across the street and say, no, you’re not supposed to do that. Because I’ve had a couple of them other neighbors get a little mad at me for saying that in the past to them, but I know we have a different Surveyor now than we had back in those days, you know, so, that changes things somewhat too. But, that’s my only concern is that I want to be sure that something, you know, is said. Just like our privacy fence that we can have along this area here, you know, because I know they have to build that area up. I think you said at the last meeting five foot, something like that to get above the flood level or whatever for those condos. You know, all that water’s got to go somewhere. It will go into Brandeis Crawford, and we don’t have a problem with that, the problem is when the creek backs up. Miller Trucking, they elevated their area quite a bit along Brandeis Crawford. Hicks when he put in his auto repair place there, you know, he elevated his up. The companies down, you know, or upstream from there have done the same thing. My land is still the same elevation it was when I started, which means that when the creek backs up I will get more water.

President Musgrave: Let me ask the engineer and the Surveyor to respond to your concerns.

Mike Miodus: I’m just, you know what I’m saying, just something in there that–

President Musgrave: Let’s hear what they have to say.

Bill Jeffers: The older homes along Colonial Gardens Road, one of which Mike owns, were built before 1979 when FEMA and the federal government required from 1979 forward that homes be built above the flood plain elevation. Those homes were built prior to that and they are lower, and they are below flood plain elevation. The subdivision that Mike’s talking about is Country Trace, it was built, I believe, in 1986 or so, 1988, something like that. It was built under the previous drainage ordinance. It is built above flood plain elevation, but the area of land that Mike’s talking about that doesn’t drain well along the north property line of that subdivision is adjacent to a farm field that Mr. Johnson proposes to build condominiums on. They did have a slight swale constructed along that northern perimeter, but the farmer continued to farm, and as he plowed his field he threw dirt towards the subdivision and eventually blocked off part of the drainage in that swale. Then the homeowners put fences along there and blocked off some of the drainage. Basically, what Mr. Johnson proposes to do is to build his condominiums in conformance with the new drainage code and drain his property properly. It has to be elevated above flood plain, and then drain it properly according to our new code, through the drainage easement that he acquired that will take it to Crawford Brandeis Ditch. He can’t cure all the drainage problems of the surrounding neighborhood. He can only address the property that he’s developing, and any drainage that happens to cross his line, and I think Justin Shofstall has addressed that, any drainage that comes on to Mr. Johnson’s property from the adjacent properties will be picked up and taken through his system. His system itself is self-contained, so that any water he generates within the condominium project that’s collected, routed through the detention basin, and then discharged through a new pipe out to Crawford Brandeis Ditch. Unfortunately, there are drainage problems in the neighborhood that will remain, because Mr. Johnson is neither capable of or responsible for addressing those. His plan does adequately address the problems that exist on or immediately adjacent to his property.

Commissioner Musgrave: Alright.

Bill Jeffers: So, that’s why the recommendation to the board is for approval is because he has met the requirements of the code, and I’m sure if you were to talk to him about anything that could be directed in to his drainage system through efforts of others, you know, if it arrived at his drainage system and his drainage system was capable of handling it, I’m sure he would be amenable to a discussion of whether or not it could be handled by his drainage system.

Mike Miodus: Yeah, I understand all that, and I agree with that part of it. The fact is, as far as the drains that he’s going to put down on the land between mine and Mr. Osborne’s property there, he’s actually going to put in some surface drains so it will actually help our side of the fence. What I’m saying is that I just want it on record that 20 years from now when I come back to you all, of course, it will be different people up there, that I won’t go through the same argument again. Well, yes, just like they said then, we have these swales, all that drainage is going to be there. Well, in those 20 years they’ve filled in the swales, the pipe has collapsed, that pond which is supposed to be a retention pond is now a nice little grassy thing and somebody’s got a fence around and trees planted in it, and none of it is helping the drainage for us that are still there. That’s one of the, you know, just like I did, I’ve got all the, you know, what I did 20 years ago, or actually 1992, I guess, when they approved that or whenever that was.

Bill Jeffers: If in fact there are–

Mike Miodus: Do you know what I’m saying, Bill?

Bill Jeffers: –if in fact anyone has done anything since 1998, if anyone has done anything that adversely affects you by blocking your drainage, you can come to this board with a petition and ask that that obstruction be removed. If it occurred since 1998. There’s a new law on the books.

Mike Miodus: Yeah, I saw that from your website.

Bill Jeffers: Right, that allows you to go through a petitioning process to ask this board to order the removal of an obstruction that was intentionally placed in a watercourse.

Commissioner Musgrave: So, you don’t need to wait 20 years. Just watch that like a hawk and come right on back down.

Mike Miodus: Well, you know what I’m saying though, I just want to have something down because, you know, not to be rude, but Andy Easley and those guys back, you know, back in 1992 by the way was when they approved the Country Trace part three, when we were talking back then–

Bill Jeffers: That was not done by Mr. Easley.

Mike Miodus: Yeah, but, you know–

Bill Jeffers: That was done by Sam Biggerstaff.

Mike Miodus: Yeah, but he was the Surveyor. He was where you’re sitting now.

Bill Jeffers: No, Mr. Easley might have been County Engineer, but he did not recommend approval of that.

Mike Miodus: Yeah, but–

Bill Jeffers: The County Surveyor recommended approval of that plan–

Mike Miodus: –you were working, because you were his deputy then, right, Bill?

Bill Jeffers: No, I was Mr. Brenner’s deputy, and we recommended approval of Country Trace that was drawn by Sam Biggerstaff.

Mike Miodus: Well, and Andy he was up there doing something with it, because I had to talk with his office.

Bill Jeffers: He may have been County Engineer at that time.

Mike Miodus: But, what I’m saying is–

Bill Jeffers: He approved the roads, yes.

Mike Miodus: Yeah, because he says that that’s what all these, you know, swales and stuff back in those days was for. So, I just want it on the record that yes, I came up here and I talked, and it’s been 20 years or whatever it is and I can do that. But, as far as this new plan that I saw, at least what I’ve seen of it, and what I’ve been told about the drainage and that, that looks actually, for us, is going to help us more than Country Trace did, so.

Bill Jeffers: We’ll be happy to receive any of your comments over the next 20 years. I hope I live that long. I hope I’m still the County Surveyor, and we’ll come out and we’ll address those. If you’ll be the neighborhood watchdog, I promise you, we’ll address what you bring to us.

President Musgrave: Thank you, Mr. Miodus.

Mike Miodus: Thank you.

Commissioner Nix: I move approval of Bennett Point Condos, final plan.

Commissioner Crouch: Second.

President Musgrave: All those in favor?

All Commissioners: Aye.

President Musgrave: Motion carries. Thank you.

President Musgrave: I see that they are still out in the hallway, so we will move to our last one, Mystic Creek Commercial.

Bill Jeffers: That’s yours, Justin.

Justin Shofstall: (Inaudible).

Bill Jeffers: Mystic Creek Commercial is a preliminary plan, the approval of which will allow it to go forward to Area Plan Commission’s May hearing. It’s a commercial subdivision on Green River Road, a little bit north of Sugar Mill Creek, immediately south of the Timbers Apartments, somewhat across the street from the new Schnuck’s plaza, but south of there. It’s a pretty straight forward plan, the only unique thing about it might be that the five lots will have underground storage is proposed at this time. That’s acceptable to our county standards. The plan meets all the requirements for a preliminary drainage plan. The County Surveyor recommends approval.

President Musgrave: Is there anyone here to speak to Mystic Creek Commercial? And the engineer is here.

Bill Jeffers: It’s represented by Andy Easley and Justin, I mean, it’s drawn by Mr. Easley’s crew, and it’s represented by Justin Shofstall.

President Musgrave: Do the Commissioners have any questions?

Commissioner Crouch: Being no member of the public here, I will move approval on preliminary plan.

Commissioner Nix: Second.

President Musgrave: All those in favor?

All Commissioners: Aye.

President Musgrave: And the motion carries.

Bill Jeffers: Before we go back to Old Orchard, you could direct the County Surveyor to recommend approval of a preliminary plan, if they haven’t resolved all their issues. It’s on there as a final plan because it was presented as a final plan. It’s never been presented before, it goes to Area Plan Commission, if you approve it it goes forward to Area Plan Commission next month. It could come back for final approval if they haven’t resolved all their issues.

President Musgrave: Okay.

Commissioner Crouch: So, Old Orchard Subdivision is a preliminary plan, not a final?

Bill Jeffers: Well, it’s a final plan right now. It was submitted as a final plan, but we could change it to preliminary if you think it requires additional time.

President Musgrave: Well, gentlemen, how did you come out? And be sure and identify yourself for the record again.

Larry Toone: My name is Larry Toone, I live at the corner of Kuebler Road and Highway 65. I think we’ve pretty well satisfied the complaint. From what I’ve heard from him and, you know, if the builders and the contractors do the proper thing, I guess I’ll catch what water’s there. He doesn’t think there will be anymore, much more water. Somebody’s got to catch it, and I’m a fairly good guy to get along with, you know.

President Musgrave: Well, I’m glad you took the time then to talk with each other. Unless there are any other comments from the engineer, or any other member of the public, I’ll ask the Commissioners if they have any questions?

Larry Toone: Thank you.

Commissioner Crouch: Thank you. No questions, and seeing no member from the public opposing, I will move approval of Old Orchard Subdivision final plan.

Commissioner Nix: Second.

President Musgrave: All those in favor?

All Commissioners: Aye.

President Musgrave: And the motion carries. Thank you, sir.

President Musgrave: We move now to receive the 2005 maintenance contracts.

Bill Jeffers: We have not finalized all the contracts at this time. We have several that are ready, but I would prefer to bring them all at one time next month.

Commissioner Crouch: Motion to defer.

Commissioner Nix: Second.

President Musgrave: All those in favor?

All Commissioners: Aye.

President Musgrave: The motion carries.

President Musgrave: Is there other business?

Bill Jeffers: We have some bids to open that were advertised as rebids. I believe your attorney has those ready to open.

Commissioner Crouch: Motion to approve opening of bids.

Commissioner Nix: Second.

President Musgrave: All those in favor?

All Commissioners: Aye.

President Musgrave: We will now proceed to open the bids.

President Musgrave: Are there other persons wishing to address the board while we open the bids? There are no other persons in the audience besides staff members. So, we will quietly wait while Mr. Ziemer opens the bids.

Commissioner Crouch: With baited breath.

Commissioner Nix: While Mr. Ziemer is opening the bids, I have a question for Mr. Jeffers. Where is the best place to get information on base flood elevation for the county? Would that be from your office? Or from Mr. Stoll’s office?

Bill Jeffers: That would be from, base flood elevation under our ordinances, the County Building Commissioner is the president of the Flood Plain Management Committee. Roger Lehman can provide you with those, and, generally, Steve Fuchs, his executive assistant handles all those issues.

Commissioner Nix: And that would include roadways also?

Bill Jeffers: Yes, sir. He can give you the base flood elevation for any point in the county.

Commissioner Nix: Thank you.

President Musgrave: Or you can go on line as well.

Bill Jeffers: Most of that’s on line, but if you actually, the official base flood elevation, the actual official one, they need to know the exact point or the lot, or the place in the road that you want, so that they can give it to you in writing. Because FEMA requires that it be handled that way.

Commissioner Nix: Thank you.

Bill Jeffers: Then it requires a certified, or requires a licensed land surveyor to establish the flood protection grade for a piece of property.

Commissioner Nix: Thank you.

Commissioner Musgrave: It appears we are ready for the bids.

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: The only bidder is Eldon Maasberg,M-a-a-s-b-e-r-g. His bid for the Wallenmeyer Ditch is $1,253.25. His bid for the Maasberg Ditch is $198.54. His bid for the Kneer Ditch is $410.40.

President Musgrave: Given that we have a sole bidder, would this Commission be willing to undertake approval of these bids?

Commissioner Crouch: Motion to approve.

Commissioner Nix: Do we want to let Bill take them under advisement? Second.

President Musgrave: All those in favor?

All Commissioners: Aye.

President Musgrave: Do we need to do a roll call vote? Or is that sufficient?

Commissioner Crouch: It’s not an ordinance.

President Musgrave: Alright, then we have–

Commissioner Crouch: Motion to adjourn.

Commissioner Nix: Second.

President Musgrave: We are adjourned.

(The meeting was adjourned at 4:55 p.m.)

         Those in Attendance:

         Cheryl Musgrave                      Bill Nix                            Suzanne Crouch

         Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.                    Bill Jeffers                       Madelyn Grayson

         Larry Toone                              Ron London                    Justin Shofstall

         Mike Miodus                             Brenda Jeffers                Jim Morley, Jr.

         Others Unidentified                   Members of Media

VANDERBURGH COUNTY

DRAINAGE BOARD

Cheryl A.W. Musgrave, President

Bill Nix, Vice President

Suzanne M. Crouch, Member

Recorded and transcribed by Madelyn Grayson.