The Vanderburgh County Council met in session this 1st day of September, 1999 in Room 301 of the Civic Center Complex. This meeting was officially opened by President Curt Wortman at 12:00 noon. President Wortman: The Vanderburgh County Council final 2000 Budget Hearing is in session on September 1, 1999. I would ask that the Sheriff please open the meeting. (Meeting opened by Sheriff Brad Ellsworth) President Wortman: Thank you, Mr. Ellsworth. Could we have attendance and roll call, please?   COUNCILMEMBER PRESENT ABSENT Councilmember Smith X   Councilmember Sutton X   Councilmember Bassemier X   Councilmember Hoy X   Councilmember Raben X   Councilmember Lloyd X   President Wortman X   President Wortman: Now would we all stand, the audience and the Council, and pledge allegiance? (The Pledge of Allegiance was given)   Approval of Minutes President Wortman: Okay, I would like to have approval or a motion...I'm sorry, approval of the budget minutes for August 10, 11, 12, 17, 18 and 19, 1999. A motion from the floor and approval of the minutes. Councilmember Raben: So moved. Councilmember Smith: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion on those? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Okay, this is a final budget hearing and the purpose is to complete the adoption of our budget and establish the salaries and all employee benefits and also to recommend to the state what would be the proposed tax rate. Now today the Chair will only recognize Councilmembers, seven of them, until after the Finance Chairman has completed his duties. At this time I am going to ask Councilman Raben, the Finance Chairman, to begin with the Salary Ordinance. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0)   Resolution regarding School Liaison Officer Councilmember Lloyd: Mr. President? Mr. President, could I offer something quickly. President Wortman: What we'll do when Mr. Raben gets started we'll start from the first of the book and go through. Okay, Mr. Lloyd wants to have a statement. Councilmember Lloyd: I just wanted to make a statement. I have supported the hiring freeze for the county employees and that's something we adopted in January. Having said that, I wanted to offer this resolution that supports the creation and funding of a School Liaison Officer position with the Sheriff's Department. I believe, you know, if we can receive the funding from either the Evansville-Vanderburgh School Corporation or a grant that would provide 80 percent of the funding of that deputy sheriff position that I would like to offer that resolution, you know, for our approval or consideration. I believe that we...you know, we=ve learned that there are grants or, you know, the School Corporation it was a little late to get that in their budget however in future years we may be able to do that. There are other grant programs through other government agencies that also could help fund this sheriff liaison position. Fofor example, the Department of Justice has a COPS Program, Community Oriented Policy Services, that funds these types of grants and according to the State of Indiana Grant Advisor Office this type of funding is offered this year and will be offered again next year. So anyway, I wanted to offer this resolution to support that for Council's consideration. Councilmember Smith: I'll second that motion. President Wortman: Mrs. Smith seconded. Any more discussion on what Mr. Lloyd reiterated and then with the resolution, so all those in favor raise your right hand. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. All seven in support. Councilmember Lloyd: Thank you, Mr. President. President Wortman: Yes, thank you, Mr. Lloyd.   Approval of Salary Ordinance President Wortman: Now then we'll continue on and we'll go from our budget books and, Mr. Raben, would you proceed please? Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, we'll turn to page one. What we'll do is we'll start in the front of the book and we'll move through. There will be a few adjustments called out for some of the 2000, 3000 and 4000 accounts, but we'll make all the appropriate salary adjustments and maybe a few along the way, okay. President Wortman: I was wondering whether we shouldn't approve the salary on each department head and then go back in the 2000, 3000 and 4000 accounts...I mean, the 3000 and 4000. Do you want to stay on the-- Councilmember Raben: We can. I mean, that's fine. We can turn back into those pages then, that's fine. President Wortman: If we go ahead and approve if that's okay with Councilmembers to go through the approval of the budget and the salary ordinance and then we'll come back on the 3000 and 4000 accounts, if that is agreeable to with all Councilmembers. Does that sound satisfactory? CLERK Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, turn to page 2. Line 1280-1010 Counter Clerk should read $19,382; 1320-1010 should read $21,304; line 1420-- President Wortman: Wait a minute, Jim. Hold up. Kind of go real slow because they've got to record all this stuff. Councilmember Raben: Okay. Line 1320-1010 should read $21,304; line 1400-1010 $19,382. At the bottom of page 3, line 1590-1010 $19,382. President Wortman: Where was that at now? Councilmember Raben: 1990-1010 Ticket Clerk. President Wortman: Okay, 1990, okay. Councilmember Raben: It's $19,382. I make that in the form of a motion. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a motion on the floor. We=ve got a second from...who seconded it? Suzanne Crouch: Phil. President Wortman: Mr. Hoy, okay. Is there any discussion on this, on the County Clerk? Okay, if not call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes.   1280-1010 Counter Clerk 19,382.00 1320-1010 Counter Clerk 21,304.00 1400-1010 Minute Clerk 19,382.00 1590-1010 Ticket Clerk Misd/Traffic 19,382.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) AUDITOR Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, turn to page 6. There was a question raised by Councilman Hoy as to page 4, 1680, 1690 and 1700. The Council had already set those in as zero at our meeting in August. That's why those weren't read in. Okay, Page 6. President Wortman: Your reference to the three Deputy Clerk requests. Councilmember Raben: Right. President Wortman: Set in at zero? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Those have already been addressed and adopted or voted on by this Council. Okay, page 6. Midway through the page line 1200-1020 Bookkeeper/Welfare should read $24,396 and I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes.   1200-1020 Bookkeeper II/Welfare 24,396.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) President Wortman: Okay, proceed, Mr. Raben. TREASURER Councilmember Raben: Page 10, line 1170-1030 Cashier/Bookkeeper should read $24,305; line 1210-1030 we need to delete that line, 1210-1030. Jeff Ahlers: There are two lines there, which one? Suzanne Crouch: It's 1210 not 1201. Councilmember Raben: 1210-1030, it's one line. Delete that line please. Line 1230-1030 Administrative Assistant $21,278; line 1270-1030 Counter & Posting Clerk $19,382; line 1990 Extra Help $1,000 and I make that in the form of a motion. Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Got a motion and a second. Okay, any discussion? No discussion, call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes.   1170-1030 Cashier/Bookkeeper 24,305.00 1210-1030 Counter & Posting Clerk -0- 1230-1030 Administrative Assistant 21,278.00 1270-1030 Counter & Posting Clerk 19,382.00 1990 Extra Help 1,000.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) President Wortman: Okay, Mr. Raben. RECORDER Councilmember Raben: Page 12, County Recorder. Line 1160-1040 should read Microfilm Technician. Line 1170-1040 that is the correct name on that, Release Deputy. I make that in the form of a motion. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a motion and a second. Any discussion on the Recorder? If not, call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes.   1160-1040 Microfilm Technician Unchanged (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) SHERIFF Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, page 14. First I'm going to mention that all salaries be set in at a four percent increase unless read in differently. Line 1130-0001 Chief Deputy $61,799. Allow me to go back up one more. At the top, line 1110-1050 Sheriff should read $103,579. Line 1130-0004 should read in place of Lieutenant should read Temporary Captain. Turn to page 17, line 1130-0048 Patrolman should read $33,513; line 1130-0050 Patrolman should read $38,598; line 1130-0052 Patrolman should read $34,643; line 1130-0057 should read Patrolman. Now please turn to page 20. Line 1130-0102 Patrolman should read $34,078. That was line 1130-0102, $34,078. Line 1130-0114 should read Chief Deputy. The amount is $59,960. Okay, page 22. Councilmember Smith: Mr. Chairman, what about the School Liaison that we passed up there, 1130-0115. Can't we put that in since we passed that resolution in that position? Councilmember Raben: Well, I think again the resolution is in support of getting funding from the Evansville School Corporation. Jeff Ahlers: We haven't got it. Councilmember Raben: Although we're passing a resolution showing support of getting that, we=ve not received a commitment from them yet. Councilmember Smith: Don't you think we ought to put it in there and it would be in there when we get the commitment and I think we will. Councilmember Raben: But if we don't the line is in there. Councilmember Sutton: Does the line go away if we don't put anything in there? Councilmember Smith: If the Sheriff doesn't hire anybody it's just going to be there. Councilmember Lloyd: We can just leave the line in there, can't we? Councilmember Smith: That's what I said. Jeff Ahlers: With zero? Councilmember Smith: Leave it zero. Why not put the money in there while we're doing it? Councilmember Hoy: I know it's just those of us speaking and we can't have people from the audience speak. My sense is that with the resolution if the School Corporation doesn't come through then this is a position we can add in January. It's not going to be added in January anyway. Councilmember Smith: Okay. Councilmember Hoy: So I think what I would like to do if you're okay with this Councilman Smith, is to go with the resolution, but also go on record as supporting this, you know, and then if the School Corporation...we'll work on them to get them to come through because if we put it in the budget now they're not likely to come through. That's my concern, but we go on record as saying that we support it and that we'll put it in January either way. Councilmember Smith: That's fine with me because I think the seven us held our hand up while ago that we did support the resolution, so that's okay. President Wortman: I think originally we had sent a memo over the School Corporation to Mike Duckworth it was based on an 80/20 situation and it was presented evidently too late. They had finalized their budget, so I think it's subject to, they might consider it is the way I understand. Councilmember Hoy: Exactly, yeah, and we're not wiping it out entirely, but we do want...I think all of us want them to help us on it. That's all I'm saying. President Wortman: Yeah, thank you. Councilmember Raben: Okay, turn to page 22. The third line down 1210-1050 should read College Incentive. Line 1530-1050 Shift Differential for sworn deputies only should read $67,600. Line 1750 Clothing Allowance $103,000; line 2220 on page 23...excuse me, that's getting out of the 100 accounts. President Wortman: Really, you didn't want that Clothing Allowance in, 1750, did you? Councilmember Raben: Excuse me. President Wortman: 1750, Jim. Councilmember Smith: we're going to pick that up later. President Wortman: Yeah, 1750. Councilmember Raben: That's in a 100 account. That has to be read out now. President Wortman: Okay, alright. we'll leave it in there then. Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, I would like to go ahead just to go ahead and make a few name corrections while we're on this, okay. If we could move on down to 2220. Councilmember Hoy: (Inaudible comments, mike not on.) Councilmember Smith: Are you talking about the Tires & Tubes account? Councilmember Raben: Yes, I was going to make a name change on that to read...2220 should read Vehicle Tires and 2670 should read Investigations and I make that in the form of a motion. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Okay, got a motion and a second. Any discussion on these corrections on the titles and the salaries? If not, call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes.   1130-0001 Chief Deputy 61,799.00 1110-1050 Sheriff 103,579.00 1130-0004 Temporary Captain Unchanged 1130-0048 Patrolman 33,513.00 1130-0050 Patrolman 38,598.00 1130-0052 Patrolman 34,643.00 1130-0057 Patrolman Unchanged 1130-0102 Patrolman 34,078.00 1130-0114 Chief Deputy 59,960.00 1210-1050 College Incentive Unchanged 1530-1050 Shift Differential for Sworn Deputies Only 67,600.00 1750 Clothing Allowance 103,000.00 2220 Vehicle Tires Unchanged 2670 Investigations Unchanged (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) President Wortman: Okay proceed, Mr. Raben. JAIL Councilmember Raben: Okay, page 25. Lines 1130-0300 through 1130-0337 should read Detention Officer. Is everyone okay with that? Councilmember Smith: What was the last number, Jim? Councilmember Raben: Uh, 1130-0337. Councilmember Hoy: It's all the Correction Officers. Councilmember Smith: Okay. Councilmember Raben: It should read Detention Officer. Line 1530-1051 Shift Differential and this is for union Correction Officers only should read $25,639. Line 1750 Clothing Allowance should read $26,904 and I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Do I have a second? I have a second. Councilmember Smith: Mr. Chairman, I would like to amend your motion to add the Paramedic into line item 1130-0401 and I would like to add that Paramedic back in there at $27,283. President Wortman: Do you accept her amendment, Mr. Raben? Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, Betty, actually I think you meant to call 1130-0406 line. Councilmember Smith: Well, according to mine it's 1130-0401 is the Paramedic. Councilmember Sutton: You guys are saying the same thing. President Wortman: That's existing, Mrs. Smith. Councilmember Raben: That's the existing. The new request is-- Councilmember Smith: Oh, okay, I'm sorry. Alright. Okay, you're right. I'm sorry. That's line item 1130-0406 and it's $27,272. Councilmember Raben: Betty, not that I would not be supportive of it at some point in time I would still like to look at the possibility of shifting this position and maybe some of these others into the Health Department levy, so at this time...and that is something that maybe we can work with the Health Department between now and January on, but at this time I would like to leave it set in at zero. President Wortman: Okay, the Chairman rejected that so if no other discussion we will proceed with a vote. Councilmember Hoy: I would like to add to that discussion if I may? President Wortman: Yes, Mr. Hoy. Councilmember Hoy: My understanding is that we had an agreement that we wanted this position and that we would like to get in, as Mr. Raben said, in the Health Department's budget. I would like to follow that procedure similar to the procedure we just agreed upon with the School Liaison Officer and that is if this doesn't happen with the Health Department then we come back to this the first of the year because that is when this position will be added in and we strongly consider adding in if the Health Department doesn't. I don't know if that makes any sense or not, but I do think we ought to go to the Health Department for the money, but if we don't get it there I do think the Sheriff needs it. I'm wondering if we have some kind of consensus today to handle it that way or not before we proceed on. Councilmember Smith: I would like to see it go in today so he could go ahead because a paramedic is necessary on that third shift in the jail. Councilmember Hoy: I agree with you and all I'm saying is if we can't get it in today then we ought to...I would like to follow the same procedure we're following on the Liaison Officer and that it is not dropped because we could still get it in the first of January, could we not, Mr. President? President Wortman: Yeah, you could even go ahead and approve it today and then transfer if procedures work out and negotiations on that. Remember, after the first of the year now it takes five votes instead of four. Everything today takes four votes. Councilmember Raben: You have to bear in mind that none of these monies will become available until after January anyway. Councilmember Smith: We could always transfer it into the Health Department if they accept it at that time. Councilmember Raben: I'm not real comfortable with appropriating any money in any account. President Wortman: I'm sorry, I've mislead. We can't transfer within departments. We would have to repeal it and then put it back in there. I'm sorry for the misinformation. Councilmember Hoy: If this-- President Wortman: Any other discussion on this? Councilmember Hoy: I'm willing to make that into a motion to add this the first of the year if we don't get it from the Health Department following this if that helps Council at all today to get through this. I don't know whether it does or doesn't. Well, we have a motion on the floor. President Wortman: Okay, yeah I've got a motion and second on the floor. No more discussion? Councilmember Smith: That motion is...that motion is to add it at the first of the year? Councilmember Raben: No, it's still my original motion. President Wortman: Yeah, okay. Any more discussion? No more discussion, call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: I'm going to vote yes because I'm going to put it in at the first of the year. I think that will pass. Councilmember Smith: You have to have five votes then. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: No. Okay, motion passes, so proceed, Mr. Chairman.   1130-0300 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0301 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0302 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0303 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0304 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0305 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0306 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0307 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0308 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0309 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0310 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0311 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0312 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0313 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0314 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0315 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0316 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0317 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0318 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0319 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0320 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0321 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0322 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0323 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0324 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0325 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0326 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0327 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0328 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0329 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0330 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0331 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0332 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0333 Detention Officer  Unchanged 1130-0334 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0035 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0336 Detention Officer Unchanged 1130-0337 Detention Officer Unchanged 1530-1051 Shift Differential 25,639.00 1750 Clothing Allowance 26,904.00 (Motion passes 4-3/Councilmembers Smith, Sutton and Wortman opposed)   Resolution regarding Paramedic position Councilmember Hoy: Mr. Chairman, I make a motion that we go on record today as adding this position at the first of the year if the Health Department doesn't add it. I make that as a motion. Councilmember Smith: I second that. President Wortman: Okay, now in your motion we'll get to discussion. In the event that the Health Department would be rejected by the Sheriff or the Health Department it would then go into the Sheriff Department. Councilmember Hoy: The Sheriff Department's budget. President Wortman: I just wanted to get that clear. Is that the understanding of everybody? Okay, that's fine. Jeff Ahlers: Make sure that's known as a resolution. Councilmember Hoy: It's a resolution. President Wortman: Resolution. It's recognized as Mr. Hoy said. Councilmember Hoy: It's not part of the budget, it's a resolution, but I want to get it on record today and see where we are. President Wortman: Alright, okay, alright. All those in favor raise your right hand. One, two, three, four, five, six. we're voting on the resolution only. Councilman Bassemier: Okay, repeat the resolution. President Wortman: Mr. Hoy. Councilmember Hoy: Yes, the resolution states that if the Health Department is unable to get the money in their budget for this position by the first of the year then we come back at the first of the year and add this position in the Sheriff's budget. Councilmember Smith: And we had a second. President Wortman: And got a second to that. Ed, do you understand that now? Everybody on the same wave? Okay, call the roll please. Done, I'm sorry. Okay. Now, Mr. Raben, proceed. Councilmember Hoy: Was that a unanimous vote? That hand vote. President Wortman: We raised our hands, I'm sorry. Councilmember Hoy: Yeah, but did we get seven? Unidentified: Yeah. Councilmember Hoy: Thank you. I wanted to make sure we had that on record. Motion unanimously approved 7-0) SURVEYOR Councilmember Raben: Okay, turn to page 29. There are no corrections. Turn to page 31. Second from the top, 1120-1060 Chief Deputy. President Wortman: Mr. Raben. The County Surveyor, we'll have to vote on that salary as it is. Councilmember Raben: Well, we're going to vote on the Salary Ordinance. The rest of the Salary Ordinance will be voted on after we make the corrections. There are no changes on this one. we're just going through the changes right now. President Wortman: Well, we=ve got to take one department at a time. Councilmember Raben: Mr. President...okay. There are no corrections on page 29 for lines 1110-1060 through 1210-1060. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a motion and a second. Any discussion on this? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) CORONER President Wortman: Okay, now Mr. Raben, County Coroner. Councilmember Raben: Page 31, County Coroner. Second from the top, 1120-1070 Chief Deputy $43,000 even. I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a second, Mr. Hoy. Any discussion on this? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes.   1120-1070 Chief Deputy  43,000.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0)         PROSECUTOR President Wortman: Okay, now proceed with the Prosecutor, 34. Councilmember Raben: Page 34. At the bottom, line 1190-1080 should read $44,836. Councilmember Sutton: What's that line item again, Jim? Councilmember Raben: It's the bottom of page 34. It's line 1190-1080. It should read $44,836. I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Got a second, Mr. Lloyd. Any discussion on this? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes.   1190-1080 Deputy 44,836.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) PROSECUTOR IV-D President Wortman: Okay, proceed to the next one. It will be Prosecutor IV-D, page 38. Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, line 1170-1081 Enforcement Officer $24,305; line 1190-1081 Enforcement Officer should read $24,305; line 1200-1081 Enforcement Officer should read $24,305; line 1260-1081 Enforcement Officer should read $24,305 and I make that in the form of a motion. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a motion and a second. Any discussion? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. President Wortman: Okay, Mr. Sutton. Councilmember Sutton: Yes, Mr. Raben or Mr. President, I was going to request that there be an amendment to that motion on line item...or adding in line items 1270-1081 and 1280-1081 Enforcement Officers and both of those at $23,181 as an amendment to your motion. Councilmember Hoy: I'll accept as the seconder. Councilmember Smith: Can I speak to that motion before we decide? I passed out a list today that I asked Dorothy to give me. Six employees at Comot V's would cost the county $62,020 because the city...I mean, the county would get reimbursed $120,392. They get 66 percent which comes back into the county General Fund. If we give her four employees which she needs in that department, the four employees would only cost the county, if they were COMOT V, $20,673, but the county would be reimbursed $40,131. We can hire employees to do a job that has to be done and be reimbursed by 66 percent from the state then I think we're passing up an opportunity. Councilmember Sutton: I made the motion or asked for the amendment to the motion primarily...you know, they had requested six positions for this area and, you know, six would be nice, but I don't think it's possible for us to get that many in light of other issues that we=ve got on the table here. Two, it's not going to totally fill the bill, but it will help to relieve the burden that they have in that office. At the same time I think that we have to address some very serious issues with some backlog back there in that office and to deal with that. It's not just what has gone on in the past, but just kind of what's going on and how things are now in that office and the number of child support cases that need to be handled. You know, that's the reason why I am just requesting because I think this is really a key...these are two key positions that I really would like to see us fund in there because I think it's very vital to the operation and function of this particular office. Just not funding that, you know, we're really...by even funding the others and not funding these would not really give them the opportunity to function at the level that really what is demanded of them really now with what the numbers are required of them. That's really what my motion is. President Wortman: Mr. Chairman, do you accept this amendment or rejected it? Councilmember Raben: Well, I have a few comments. What I often look at though in budgets particularly like this one is the 66 percent certainly sounds appetizing, but the 36 percent that we make up is-- Councilmember Smith: Thirty-three and a third, Jim. Councilmember Raben: Okay, yeah, 33 percent that we make up is a large sum of money. Particularly this year it will probably grow in excess of a quarter million dollars. What we're seeing and particularly in some other budgets that we'll be coming to is that sometimes the state=s commitment dwindles. Sometimes grants dwindle and the county General Fund is faced with meeting the balance of these accounts. Very often, you know, we=ve instructed before that as you hire people, you know, they need to be made aware that if the grant should cease or if the funding should cease that your position is in jeopardy, but I don't believe that has taken place. we're meeting that obligation through General Fund monies. So I'm not in favor of amending my motion. I do know that two years ago or last year we did grant two more employees in this account, so I would like to stick with my original motion. President Wortman: No, okay, you're rejecting Mrs. Smith's amendment? Councilmember Raben: Right. President Wortman: I might add to it now remember in this here Enforcement Officer in the IV-D program they also receive incentive money, too, to add to that. That's always an important factor. Councilmember Raben: Would you entertain one? President Wortman: We=ve got a motion on the floor for two. Councilmember Sutton: They requested six. I mean, yeah...we're clearly in agreement that six, you know, we can't do that. That's just beyond what we have the resources to be able to support, but even at two I'm struggling at the two and one is just...I just don't even think...I mean, if we said one it just means we'll be zero essentially, so two is really about bare bones about what we can really get out of this. I recognize we=ve got a lot of positions funded through grants here and there are some grants that do go away. This particular one, it could go away tomorrow. If that's the case the whole office, that particular operation will shut down. Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, I would amend my motion to read 1270-1081 in the amount of $23,181, 1070-1081 in the amount of $23,181. Councilmember Smith: Are you going to accept the two? Councilmember Sutton: That's one. Councilmember Smith: One? President Wortman: Now you're amending the motion to do what, Jim, two positions or one? Councilmember Raben: One. President Wortman: He=s amending the motion. Do you accept the second, Mr. Hoy? Was you the one? Councilmember Hoy: Yeah, I'll accept it although I really (inaudible). But I'll accept it so we can get on (inaudible). Councilman Bassemier: I'm sorry, Phil, what did you say? Councilmember Hoy: I will accept his amendment. We need to move this motion on or off the floor, but I'm being honest. I really would rather put both positions in, so I'm going to vote no on this because I think we need to add both of them. Councilmember Smith: I do, too. Councilmember Hoy: I don't think one is enough. Councilman Bassemier: So he is not accepting it. Councilmember Hoy: No, I'm going to go-- Councilmember Raben: I could just-- Councilmember Hoy: See, the thing is if I don't accept it-- Councilmember Raben: Well, let's just leave the original motion. Councilman Bassemier: If the motion carries like it is-- Councilmember Hoy: Leave the original-- Councilmember Raben: Leave the original motion and then we won't have to go through-- Councilman Bassemier: Yeah. Councilmember Hoy: Just leave it. The original motion would include none. Councilmember Raben: I withdraw my amendment. President Wortman: You withdraw your amendment? Councilmember Raben: Right. President Wortman: And, Mr. Hoy, you withdraw yours? Okay, we're back to square one now to the original motion to set in two positions. Councilmember Hoy: No, the original motion was to set in none. President Wortman: Zero, yeah, okay. We understand that? we're going to set it in at zero. Both of them, right, for right now. Okay, call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: No, so the motion is defeated. I'll entertain another motion from the floor. (Motion fails 4-3/Councilmembers Smith, Sutton, Hoy and Wortman opposed) Councilmember Smith: I'll make the motion that we include line item 1270-1081 and 1280-1081. Councilmember Raben: Betty, before you finish would you also add to that my prior corrections, so that we don't have to go back through and redo those since the original motion failed? Councilmember Smith: Okay, the prior corrections, okay. Councilmember Sutton: Second. President Wortman: Mr. Sutton seconded. Okay, any discussion on that? As listed before by the Finance Chairman you're going to set the two Enforcement Officers, 1270-1081, 1280-1081 in at $23,181 each. There is a total of two. Any more discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: No. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Motion passes.   1170-1081 Enforcement Officer 24,305.00 1190-1081 Enforcement Officer 24,305.00 1200-1081 Enforcement Officer 24,305.00 1260-1081 Enforcement Officer  24,305.00 1270-1081 Enforcement Officer  23,181.00 1280-1081 Enforcement Officer 23,181.00 (Motion passes 4-3/Councilmembers Bassemier, Raben and Lloyd opposed.) President Wortman: Now we're going to change tapes, excuse us. TAPE CHANGE     PROSECUTOR FEE CHECK RECOVERY President Wortman: Okay, Mr. Raben, page 41, Prosecutor's Fee Check Recovery. Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, there is no salary line correction on that one, let's turnB President Wortman: Okay, let's take and make that in the form of a motion. Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Okay, got a second? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Mr. Lloyd, second. Okay, any discussion? Call the roll, please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Now, proceed to page 42, Drug Law Enforcement Program. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) PROSECUTOR DRUG LAW ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, line 3994, page 42, in the amount of $118,941. President Wortman: Okay, have we got a second to that? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Mr. Lloyd: Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Now page 43. 1083-3994 Special/Matching Grants 118,941.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) PROSECUTOR VICTIMS/WITNESS ASSISTANCE PROGRAM Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, I move page 43, account 3994 in the amount of $15,554.00. President Wortman: Got a second? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Call the roll, please. Councilmember Hoy: What line item are we on? I'm sorry. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Okay, now page 44, Domestic Violence. 1084-3994 Special/Matching Grants 15,554.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) PROSECUTOR STOP DOMESTIC VIOLENCE Councilmember Raben: Account 3994 as listed. Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Got a motion and a second. Any discussion? Call the roll, please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Okay, page 45. Adult Protective Services. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) PROSECUTOR ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES Councilmember Raben: Account 3994 in the amount of 24,831. I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Okay, I got a motion, a second? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Any discussion? Okay, call the roll, please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: No. Okay, that passes. 1086-3994 Special/Matching Grants 24,831.00 (Motion approved 6-1/ Councilmember Wortman opposed) President Wortman: We will now go to County Assessor. COUNTY ASSESSOR Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, no changes from, starting with 1110 -1090 through 1200 -1090 and I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Call the roll, please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Okay, page 49. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENT BOARD OF APPEALS Councilmember Raben: Okay, line 1180-1091 Per Diem, $7,800. Line 1990 Extra Help, in the amount of $3,280. Councilmember Sutton: Second. President Wortman: Okay, got a second from Mr. Sutton. Any question, discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. 1180-1091 Per Diem 7,800.00 1990 Extra Help 3,280.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) ARMSTRONG TOWNSHIP ASSESSOR President Wortman: Okay, Armstrong Assessor. Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, no corrections on line 1110-1100 or 1120-1100. Councilmember Sutton: Second. President Wortman: Got a motion and a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Okay, Center Township, page 52. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) Councilmember Sutton: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: On Extra Help, that was included in the motion. Councilmember Sutton: Okay, that was what I was going to ask you. It was supposed to be $1,500.00, correct? Councilmember Raben: Excuse me? President Wortman: You are talking about line item, 1990 Extra Help which is part of theB Councilmember Sutton: Yeah, I know. Did you overlook that? Councilmember Raben: Yes, I did. Can we reopen that Mr. President? President Wortman: Yeah, reopen it. Councilmember Hoy: I move to reopen. President Wortman: Got anybody? Councilmember Sutton: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Alright. It is just a procedure. Councilmember Raben: Actually, see we have already voted on those Mr. President. The only actual corrections we need to make at this point are on salary line items, which pertains to certain individuals with maybe name changes and figure changes. So, we have actually, we=ve already voted once on Extra Help lines and we will just re-vote on those. Unless, there are any corrections or changes, we are not going to address those Extra Help lines. Councilmember Hoy: I will take my motion off of the floor. President Wortman: Okay, remember that 1990 was $1,500, make a note in your books, if you want to. CENTER TOWNSHIP ASSESSOR Councilmember Raben: Page 52, at the top, 1110-1110 Center Assessor should read $36,244. Councilmember Smith: What page are you on? Councilmember Raben: Page 52. President Wortman: Center Assessor, wait a minute until everybody gets tuned in. Okay. Councilmember Raben: At the top, 1110-1110 should read $36,244, 1160-1110 Deputy Assessor should read $23,392.00 and I make that in the form of a motion. Councilmember Smith: Second. President Wortman: We=ve got a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Okay, page 55, German Township. 1110-1110 Center Assessor 36,244.00 1160-1110 Deputy Assessor 23,392.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) GERMAN TOWNSHIP ASSESSOR Councilmember Raben: Okay, 1130-1120 Real Estate Deputy should read $19,382 and I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Got a second? Councilmember Smith: Second. President Wortman: Got a second from Mrs. Smith. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. 1130-1120 Real Estate Deputy 19,382.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) President Wortman: Okay, Knight Township Assessor. KNIGHT TOWNSHIP ASSESSOR Councilmember Raben: Okay, at the top, 1110-1130 Knight Assessor should read $37,414 and that is in the form of a motion. Councilmember Sutton: Second. President Wortman: Got a second from Mr. Sutton. Any discussion? Call the roll, please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. 1110-1130 Knight Assessor 37,414.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) President Wortman: Okay, Perry Township, page 60. PERRY TOWNSHIP ASSESSOR Councilmember Raben: At the top, 1110-1140 Perry Assessor should read $37,414; 1990 Extra Help, $10,000 and I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Got a second? Councilmember Smith: Second. President Wortman: Second by Mrs. Smith. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. 1110-1140 Perry Assessor 37,414.00 1990 Extra Help 10,000.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) President Wortman: Okay, page 62, Pigeon Assessor. PIGEON TOWNSHIP ASSESSOR Councilmember Raben: Alright, Mr. President, at the top, 1110-1150 Pigeon Assessor should read $ 36,174; 1130-1150 Real Estate Deputy should read $30,377 and I make that in the form of a motion. Councilmember Hoy: Second. Councilmember Smith: Mr. Chairman, didn't we discuss bringing his up with the rest of them because of his state licenses as an appraiser and all of that? You were going to bring it up to $37,414. Jim, you talked to me about that. Councilmember Raben: I think that we B Councilmember Smith: That would be the same as Perry and Knight. Councilmember Raben: I think that what we did, Betty, was aligned it with Center. Councilmember Smith: I don't think so. You said bringing it up with Knight and Perry. President Wortman: If I recall, Perry and Knight are, got $1,000 through another classification. Councilmember Smith: Yes sir, that is true but Paul has a state certification, is a state appraiser and has been for years and years. So, I would think that would qualify him to come up here with the rest of them and that is what we talked about and that is what Jim said he would do, but, he didn't do it. President Wortman: Okay. What do you think there, Mr. Chairman? Councilmember Raben: Give me just a moment, Mr. President. President Wortman: Okay, time out there for just a minute. Councilmember Raben: Betty, what I did, and I even have a footnote here, aligned with Knight and Perry. But, I went off of the figure we adjusted Center to. Okay, so she is exactly right. That figure should read $37,414. Councilmember Smith: Okay. Councilmember Raben: I set it to a line that was Center's. President Wortman: Okay. Councilmember Smith: Okay, so are you going to amend your...? Councilmember Raben: Wait a minute, can I, Mr. President, before I amend it, just one moment okay. Can we recess and come back to this? President Wortman: Yeah, I will grant you a recess. Councilmember Raben: We are needing to recess anyway. President Wortman: Okay, just so you are back here in five minutes. Okay, a short pause for a good cause. RECESS President Wortman: Okay, our five minutes are up plus. Now, we will go back to the Pigeon Township, page 62. Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President. At the top of page 62, 1110-1150 Pigeon Assessor, $37,414; 1130-1150 Real Estate Deputy, $30,377 and I make that in the form of a motion. Councilmember Smith: Second. President Wortman: Okay, got a second from Mrs. Smith. Any discussion on this? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. That was 37,400, wasn't it? Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yeah, I was answering Mr. Bassemier and yes to my vote. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. 1110-1150 Pigeon Assessor 37,414.00 1130-1150 Real Estate Deputy 30,377.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) President Wortman: Okay, proceed to page 64, Scott Assessor. SCOTT TOWNSHIP ASSESSOR Councilmember Raben: Okay, 1110-1160 Scott Assessor, $3,957;1120-1160 Chief Deputy, $24,310 and I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. 1110-1160 Scott Assessor 3,957.00 1120-1160 Chief Deputy 24,310.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) UNION TOWNSHIP ASSESSOR Councilmember Raben: Okay, there are no corrections on line 1110-1170 or 1120-1170 and I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Second? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Okay, got a second? Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Okay, page 68, Election Office. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) ELECTION OFFICE Councilmember Raben: Okay, item 1120-1210 Election Assistant, $28,000 and I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. Councilmember Smith: Pardon. You said the Election Assistant? What is the number again? Councilmember Raben: Election Assistant 1120-1210. Councilmember Smith: Oh, okay, $28,000? Councilmember Raben: Yes. President Wortman: Any more discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. 1120-1210 Election Assistant 28,000.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) VOTER REGISTRATION President Wortman: Voter Registration, page 70. Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, there are no corrections on line 1110-1220 through 1180-1220 and I make that in the form of a motion. Councilmember Sutton: Yes, I mean second. President Wortman: Okay, Mr. Sutton. Any discussion? Okay, no discussion, call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Page 72, Cooperative Extension. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) COUNTY COOPERATIVE EXTENSION Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, we can keep going through these budgets that there are no corrections but we are going, I intend to address all other salary items in another motion after we get through these corrections, so to speed things up can we just skip over these budgets that have no corrections? President Wortman: You want to take the remaining ones from 72 on if thereB Councilmember Raben: No, sir. Just the budgets that I had asked earlier, the budgets that have no salary corrections or changes outside of a motion that we will take after the corrections. What I would like to do is just skip through these budgets. We are going through motions we don't need to be going through. President Wortman: Well, the only thing is that it is on record. Councilmember Smith: It won't take long. Councilmember Raben: Okay, 1120 to 1220 as previously voted upon and I make that in the form of a motion. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: I have a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Area Plan, page 74. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) AREA PLAN COMMISSION Councilmember Raben: Okay, from the top, 1160-1240 CAD GIS Specialist, should read $25,583 and I make that in the form of a motion. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a motion and a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. 1160-1240 CAD/GIS Specialist 25,583.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) DRAINAGE BOARD Councilmember Raben: Page 77, lines 1110-1260, 1120-1260, 1130-1260. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Page 78, Veterans Administration. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) VETERANS ADMINISTRATION Councilmember Raben: Lines 1110-1270, 1120-1270, 1130-1270. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Councilman Raben, in your motion, are, I am just, implying you don't mean any changes? Councilmember Raben: That there is not, we are not making any change at this point. Councilmember Sutton: Okay. Councilmember Raben: After we make the corrections, the following motion will be that all other salaries will be set in at a four percent raise. Councilmember Sutton: Well, the last couple of ones you didn't say that. Councilmember Raben: Well, basically the motion is, at this time there=s no changes. That's why I said that we could really skip over these budgets. We are just addressing the ones that have a concern other than a basic four percent salary increase. Some of them are figured too high, some of them are figured too low and some of them have name changes and that is what we are doing now, is making those changes. Councilmember Sutton: Okay, I understand that, but what I am saying is with your motion you are reading in the line items but we are not indicating any action, you know, so. Councilmember Raben: Okay, basically no changes at this point. Councilmember Sutton: Second. No, I guess that's yes. Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Page 80, County Commissioners. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) COUNTY COMMISSIONERS Councilmember Raben: Okay, line 1260-1300 Soil Conservation Educator, $17,000 and I make that in the form of a motion. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Motion and a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. 1260-1300 Soil Conservation Educator 17,000.00 *(Motion unanimously approved 7-0) President Wortman: Okay, turn to the next section. Councilmember Raben: Mr. President? we'll come back to it. President Wortman: Page 86, Weights and Measures. WEIGHTS AND MEASURES Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, there are currently no changes in lines 1110-1302 through 1150-1302. President Wortman: Second? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Discussion? Call the roll. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Page 88, Superintendent of County Buildings. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) SUPERINTENDENT OF COUNTY BUILDINGS Councilmember Raben: Lines 1110-1310 and 1120-1310, there are currently no changes. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Call the roll. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Page 90, Circuit Court. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) COUNTY COMMISSIONERS - REOPENED Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, I am going to move that we reopen the Commissioners budget. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a motion from Councilmember Raben and a second from Mr. Hoy on a reopen for the County Commissioners budget. What page, Mr. Raben? Councilmember Raben: Page 80 President Wortman: Page 80. What line item are you directing your attention to? Councilmember Raben: Well, we need to vote to reopen first, sir. President Wortman: All those in favor to reopen, raise your right hand. Okay. Councilmember Raben: Okay, back to line item 1260-1300 should read Water Quality Specialist. Councilmember Hoy: Is that a motion? Councilmember Raben: That is a motion. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Okay, got a motion and a second on that. Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. 1260-1300 Water Quality Specialist (name change only) Unchanged (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) CIRCUIT COURT Councilmember Raben: Okay, page 91, line 1620-1360 should read Staff Attorney/Administrator. President Wortman: What line item is that? Councilmember Smith: Are you talking about, it says Law Clerk. Councilmember Raben: Yes. Councilmember Smith: It should read what? Councilmember Raben: Staff Attorney/Administrator. The amount should be $34,794. President Wortman: Is that it? Councilmember Raben: That's it. President Wortman: That's it. Have we got a second to that? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Mr. Lloyd seconded. Any discussion on that? Mrs. Smith. Councilmember Smith: I'd like to amend your motion to include the Public Defender in line item 1200-1360 of $31,885. President Wortman: Mr. Chairman, do you recognize her amendment? Councilmember Raben: Betty, I do not, there has been a committee established and it is my understanding that they are going to move swiftly and I think we need to give them an opportunity to let the committee run its course and at this time I do not wish to amend my motion. President Wortman: Okay, you reject the motion. We will go ahead and vote on it then. No other discussion then? Call the roll please. Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, there is a comment. President Wortman: Did Mr. Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: No, go ahead. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: I am going to vote no on this, I would, I think that they need this position and I also think that the Commissioners are going to work through this in due time but I will vote no at this time. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: No. Motion fails so I will entertain a motion from a councilman for another motion. (Motion fails 3-4/Councilmembers Smith, Sutton, Hoy and Wortman opposed) Councilmember Smith: I make the motion that we fund 1200-1360 Public Defender for Circuit Court for $31,885. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Jeff Ahlers: You will need to put in his other correction. President Wortman: Yeah, his addition with your motion. Jeff Ahlers: You are putting in his other correct, with Mr. Raben? Councilmember Smith: With his motion. Jeff Ahlers: Okay. Councilmember Sutton: Second. President Wortman: Mr. Sutton seconded. Any other discussion? Councilmember Raben: Other than, Mr. President, I don't understand at this point, knowing that the Commissioners are taking an active role in this, and are establishing a committee to address just this need. I don't know why we would take it upon ourselves to act over and above that at this point in time and bring on a new person. Councilmember Smith: Well, I can justify what I am saying. I heard the Judge say that they were overloaded and they could mandate it from the State because each one of their Public Defenders are overloaded. The state has said that they are overloaded. Now, if the Commissioners come up with something better, then I am sure the Judge would work with them but, until that happens then I think he needs the Public Defender. Councilmember Hoy: Mr. Chairman? President Wortman: Mr. Hoy. Councilmember Hoy: I have a real problem with this from both ways. I know that the Court needs this and I think that the Commissioners are going to move, it is my understanding from the Commissioners, is that they are going to move quickly on this to establish this new program to retrieve some state funds and to ensure that we have adequate Public Defenders. But, I mean, I could go either way on this because we could add this in January just as well. But, I think that Mr. Raben may be correct, although I will vote for this position because they need it but I don't think they will get it any sooner than they would under the Commissioners. President Wortman: Okay, any other discussion? I think, if you recall, he was going to eliminate some money in that one account. Councilmember Smith: That $25,000. President Wortman: Right, right, and plus possibly. Councilmember Smith: Maybe more. Councilmember Raben: Is that in your motion, Betty? Councilmember Smith: No, I just made the motion for the employee but the Judge did agree to cut the one line item for $25,000 and that was for B Councilmember Raben: That needs to be in your motion then. Jeff Ahlers: Mr. Raben, you will need, or somebody will need to put that in the motion, the $25,000 B President Wortman: Mrs. Smith. Jeff Ahlers: Mrs. Smith Councilmember Sutton: Pauper Expense. Councilmember Smith: Okay, then I will amend my motion, I guess, to include the Pauper Expense in a cut of $25,000. President Wortman: Okay, and I have a second. You got, Mr. Sutton, did you second that, then? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. President Wortman: And you agree with her addition to the motion? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. President Wortman: Any more discussion on that? Councilmember Raben: Just for clarification, Mr. President, in that motion also included 1620-1360, the original name change from Staff Attorney/Administrator in the amount of $34,794, correct? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Councilmember Raben: And line 3943 Pauper Expense should read $35,000, is that correct? Councilmember Hoy: Right. Councilmember Smith: Yes. Councilmember Raben: Okay. Councilmember Hoy: Mr. President? President Wortman: Yes, Mr. Hoy. Councilmember Hoy: As I say, I am going to vote for this, I have to, I just want to get this on record, my problem with this figure is that this figure is not correct. Because these are part-time positions and they get full benefits. So, with these positions, is that not right? (Inaudible) Councilmember Hoy: So, you are looking at another $9,500 on top of the 31 and I may as well stick my foot in and say, when I went down to the, and say what I am going to say now, and that is when I went down to those public hearings out in the hallway I was very dismayed by what some of the Public Defenders said not only on the floor but off of the floor. Things like, >I wouldn't have taken the job unless I got the benefits anyway', and what disturbs me is that Public Defenders money is to help protect poor people, not to give benefits totaling $9,500 to someone who wants county benefits. I am very, very bothered by that. I wish, I would feel a lot better if we did not include benefits in these positions because there are an awful lot of us who don't make that kind of money in full time jobs. You know, with full time benefits. I don't think that we can change that on the floor, but, while I will vote for it, I was and have to say that I was dismayed by the attitudes that I heard and saw that night in those hearings. It was, the attitude wasn't that the poor count it was that my money counts and obviously that turns me off as you well know. Suzanne Crouch: Could you clarify what line items and the amounts you just set in, please? Councilmember Raben: I can certainly do that. Well, let Betty, it is her motion, let her clarify it. President Wortman: Ms. Smith, do you want to clarify that? Councilmember Smith: The line item for the Public Defender? Councilmember Raben: Correct. Councilmember Smith: 1200-1360 Public Defender would be $31,885 and then the 1620-1360 change of name for Staff Attorney B Councilmember Lloyd: Change of salary. Councilmember Smith: The line item 3943, Pauper Expense would read $35,000. That was the motion. Jeff Ahlers: Did you get the reduction? Councilmember Raben: I stated it a couple of times. President Wortman: You just said B Councilmember Raben: The reductions on line 1620-1360, the amount should read $34,794. I call for the question, Mr. President. President Wortman: Okay, are all clear on this? Does everybody understand? Councilmember Smith: No, I want to know why the change of salary because what is in the budget book is $31,885. Councilmember Raben: No, Betty, I am not changing that. She was asking for the change for the correction I made on the Law Clerk. Councilmember Smith: Oh, okay. I thought B Councilmember Raben: I don't want it anyway, I wouldn't have increased it. Councilmember Smith: (inaudible) President Wortman: Okay, does everybody understand now? We got a motion and a second. Any more discussion? No more discussion? we're going to call the roll. Call the roll, please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: No Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: No Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: No. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Okay, motion passes 4-3.   1620-1360 Staff Attorney/Administrator (Name change) 34,794.00 3943 Pauper Expense 35,000.00 (Motion approved, Councilmembers Bassemier, Lloyd and Raben voting negative) President Wortman: Next on the agenda is Community Corrections. COMMUNITY CORRECTIONS Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, I will address this but Councilman Hoy has asked to make a statement and share some concerns so I will turn to the floor to him. Councilmember Hoy: The, I am just going to read my statement, Mr. President. County Council has recently learned that the Department of Corrections has contributed, that is a state deal see, far less to Vanderburgh County's Community Correction program and others around the state. Local taxpayers have provided the additional money. Council has also learned of other inequities in the salary and fee accounts. Because the Council has the responsibility of administering and funding the Salary Ordinance for Vanderburgh County, there are three areas we want to thoroughly review between now and the end of the year. One, all jobs that were not included in the Salary Ordinance before the 2000 budget should be reviewed and the correct job descriptions developed and that would go to the Job Study. Two, an evaluation to the Director's position should be completed by the Commissioners and the Sheriff and three, an explanation and job review of all job titles that are the same but receive different pay. Connected with that, I am suggesting that we, until it is reviewed by the Sheriff and the Commissioners, that we set the Director's salary in at $1.00 until they can review that. President Wortman: Okay, anything else? Councilmember Hoy: Can I make that motion? President Wortman: We=ve got a motion. Councilmember Hoy: That's a motion. President Wortman: Okay, that's a motion? Got a second to that? Councilmember Bassemier: I will second. Councilmember Raben: I have, okay, we will vote on that. I have some other salary corrections, but let's take this separately. President Wortman: Okay, got a motion and a second. Any more discussion? Call the roll please. Councilmember Smith: Wait a minute. Councilmember Sutton: Just one. President Wortman: Mr. Sutton, I am sorry. Councilmember Sutton: Setting that particular position in at $1, there are several other people employed at there. I know that they are wanting to evaluate the whole process with this. I can understand symbolically where you are going with that, but I am not quite sure if we know what the timetable is on the Sheriff's plans on for the Corrections Facility and when that process will be done. Obviously, we will need to come back in and revisit that salary. If we, if it is voted favorably and the Director's, the amount for the Director's salary, like I said, since they are reviewing really the whole process out there. Are we separating one from the other? I guess that maybe is my question. Councilmember Hoy: I think that maybe that's a, that evaluation is going on now in the Sheriff's department and that this keeps us from being tied down to a certain figure. That doesn't mean that they are going to zero it out or anything. Keeping the dollar in keeps the position on the table here. Councilmember Bassemier: Jim, I just seconded to get it on the floor. Councilmember Hoy: I think that they will have that completed on time. Councilmember Smith: If we set that in for a dollar and then they do a, I don't understand, if they are going to do the study, Councilman Hoy, why not leave the salary as it is and then make the adjustments for whatever is necessary after they do a job study on all of them. I agree when some of those people when different job titles is making a lot more money, I think that they should all be uniform. I agree with that. Councilmember Sutton: I guess that is what I am saying. Councilmember Smith: But, I can't see setting the Director's salary in at zero or a dollar. Councilmember Sutton: Prior to the evaluation being completed, just like they are doing an evaluation in a couple of other areas county wide, we=ve got the Centre over there with a lot of questions with that and what we are going to do there. But, you know maybe before we separate one particular position out of that department. You know maybe just allow the process to work itself out and I think that the answers will become very clear what we need to do one way or the other whether that is evenly out the salaries on the other positions out there or if there is in effect salary wise with the Director, I think the answers will become very clear. But, perhaps maybe if we allow the Sheriff's department, and I think they are moving very swiftly on this, to work their process out and work with us so that we can communicate that across the board. But, it might be a little early to move in that direction on the process. It may end up where there might be some changes before January and I suppose that there will be but, at this point in time, I think it might be a little early for us to take those types of steps to reduce that salary down to a dollar. President Wortman: Yes, sir, Mr. Lloyd. Councilmember Lloyd: I wanted to point out in the Salary Ordinance right now that position is unclassified. So, I mean it has not ever been before Job Study. This is the salary that the judges set whenever they created that position. Councilmember Hoy: This is why I, to respond to the questions, this is why I singled this one out. It is unclassified and my information from the Sheriff's department is that they will have this done long before first of the year and we will be able to process it. It is unclassified. Councilmember Bassemier: Phil, one more, Phil, Mr. President? President Wortman: Mr. Bassemier. Councilmember Bassemier: Phil, you've given three points and I might be in favor of one of these or maybe two, but I don't know. I don't think that we should vote on all three of them I mean, I don't think it's gonna, I mean you have three issues here. I think that they should go to Job Study. Councilmember Hoy: I think that my proposal is that they all go to Job Study. Councilmember Bassemier: Right, I agree on that. I don't have a problem with that but B Councilmember Sutton: I guess that, I don't think that nobody disagrees with that, I guess that by saying that, if we believe they all should go to Job Study, then if that is the case, then all of them should be put in at zero or put in at a dollar and I think, I know that we are not saying that. Councilmember Hoy: I tell you what I would be willing to do with this. Mr. President, keeping with the statement that I made, I would like to make two motions. I withdraw my motion and I will make the motion that, using, I will give a copy of this to you if you would like, or do you want me to read it? Okay, I will give you a copy. All jobs, this is the motion, that were not included in the Salary Ordinance before the 2000 budget should be reviewed and correct job descriptions developed. Two, an explanation and job review of all job titles that are the same, but receive different pay. I want both of those to go through the Job Study because there are people, well, that's my motion and I can't comment yet, until somebody seconds. I will treat the Executive Director's in a separate motion. Councilmember Bassemier: I seconded his last one, I'll amend my other one, I will second this one. President Wortman: Alright now, any discussion? Everybody understand the motion? Councilmember Raben: So, we are not addressing the first item? Councilmember Bassemier: No, right. Councilmember Hoy: Well, I am going to address that one in a separate motion, Jim... President Wortman: Mr. Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: There are some employees at Community Corrections that are paid out of other funds. Is that what you are talking about as far as the Salary Ordnance? Councilmember Hoy: My point with this motion, just to be real clear, is that since we are in, the Commissioners and the Sheriff are all reviewing this whole operation called Community Corrections, I think it is time this Council exercised its responsibility in requiring that all of those positions be treated as county positions and be evaluated in the same manner that everybody else is evaluated. I think that it is unfair for the current practices to continue. It is unfair to everybody, it is unfair to other employees at the VCCC, just for starters. It is certainly unfair to the hundreds of county employees that have abided by the Salary Ordinance for years and lived with it very well. President Wortman: You would like to do that, run the process through the Job Study, then with final approval of County Council. Councilmember Hoy: That's right. It is our responsibility. We are the fiscal body. President Wortman: Everybody understand the motion and then you are going to make another motion that you talked about. Jeff Ahlers: Now are you talking about, in terms of not giving the salary increase to all of the positions at Community Corrections, or is that a different issue? President Wortman: Let Mr. Hoy explain one more time. Councilmember Hoy: I am not talking about salary increases as they fit the Salary Ordinance. I am talking about supplement pay and all of those things which in my estimation is done on a very uneven basis and that needs to be corrected and I think it is time that we required this whole operation to go through the same procedure and that's what the motion is all about, that everybody else goes through. I think it is the only fair way to handle this. President Wortman: I think that is a very good motion from Mr. Hoy. Now we are going to change tapes. So if everybody would B- TAPE CHANGE President Wortman: Okay. What Mr. Hoy in essence is saying that, you know, everything is going to be evaluated through the Job Study and take it's course. The whole system out there which was in need evidently with their irregularity and inequities that were out there is what he is saying and it makes sense to me and if it does to the rest of the Councilmembers and we had a second to that. Who seconded that? Ed, you seconded that. Councilman Bassemier: Yes, I seconded Phil's last two points. The first one, the salary will be later. President Wortman: Okay, now this will not affect the first item on the agenda, see right now. His next motion evidently will, so anyway anybody got any more discussion? Councilmember Lloyd: I'll follow up with that as Council is accepting responsibilities for correcting any inequities in Community Corrections and, you know, the Salary Ordinance is what we have to evaluate jobs and properly pay and that's what we should go by. President Wortman: Correct, they are county employees and they're subject to the-- Councilmember Hoy: Yeah, unless anybody interprets this as being punitive I think there are some employees there who may have their positions upgraded as well because of the demands of the job and they're being held down. It's a fairness issue is what it is and it's a fairness issue both ways. It's not to penalize anybody, but to correct what I consider to be inequities that have been going on far too long. President Wortman: Okay, everybody understand his motion? I'm going to call for a vote if we're ready. Mrs. Smith. Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Thank you. Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) President Wortman: Now we'll turn to Mr. Hoy again for his second and, Mr. Raben, you can rest a little bit. Councilmember Hoy: What? President Wortman: Mr. Raben can rest a little bit. Councilmember Hoy: It's halftime for him or seventh inning. I move that line item 1110-1361 be set in at $1 at this time so that the Sheriff who is now the head of Community Corrections and the Commissioners, who are in charge of Community Corrections, we=ve established all legalities on this, then review that position and see where that salary ought to be. Well, that's the motion and then I'll comment. President Wortman: That's good. Okay, do I have a second to Mr. Hoy's motion? Councilmember Raben: I'll second. President Wortman: Got a second from Mr. Raben. Any discussion on that? Councilmember Hoy: My comment is simply not to...this is not to abolish the job. This is to set this position in to remove it from being unclassified. President Wortman: I think this is what we're directing. Not at the person, the job itself. I think we=ve got to keep that in mind. Councilmember Hoy: No, it's directed at the job itself. They may come back with $55,000 or $56,000, I have no idea. President Wortman: That's right. Councilmember Hoy: I just think here again we're cleaning up our operations and that's my only intention here. It's not to set...to remove the job or to pay him less or more, but to get it right. President Wortman: Mr. Lloyd. Councilmember Lloyd: I might point out this would take affect January 1st and that gives the Sheriff and Commissioners time between now and that to go through the Job Study with this position and decide, rate it and decide where it should be paid at. Councilmember Hoy: I have had communication with the people in charge that this is indeed what will be done should we vote this today and it will be done with equity and fairness. Councilmember Smith: But-- President Wortman: Mrs. Smith. Councilmember Smith: --if you set it in at a dollar and they're going to go through the Job Study, then all of them should be set in at a dollar. I mean, they could set it in just exactly like it is and then they go to Job Study, come back to us and we can change the figures, but if you cut one down to a dollar and leave the rest of them they're all going through the Job Study and I agree with you, Phil, they should. I think they should be under one salary. They shouldn't get money from this over here and over here and whatever. It should be where we all know what they're getting. Councilmember Sutton: I guess that's what my point is. That's why it's important. I heard they're talking about evaluation and this is not personal, I mean, how can it not look personal if we're separating out one person in this motion being that all the individuals over there at some point in time we're going to try to give them a fair shake. I mean, by separating out one person it looks personal and I don't believe that it is. I mean, in the end if the intent is to ensure that everyone is a part of what all the other county employees go through and that is the Job Study and their job has been graded based upon some scale of what they do and their pay is based on that and their years of services, etc., and if we don't know what that pay is in relation to that scale with his salary and then the others then the motion should affect all of them and not just one. Councilmember Hoy: Well, the reason is because he is unclassified and his is not in any way, shape or form at all set by the Job Study and many of these are. Many of these are violated because of supplements and all of that. That's probably not the best word to use, but the ordinance is violated because what you see here is not what a lot of people get, they get more. My first motion was to cover that. This one you have a case where this is not covered by the Job Study at all and I think this position should be covered by the Job Study. Councilmember Sutton: So if they are not-- Councilmember Hoy: I could set it in at $25,000. You've got to set it in at some figure or you wipe it off the board. Councilmember Sutton: That's what I'm saying not to wipe it off. Councilmember Hoy: I don't want to do that. Councilmember Sutton: I don't think you should clear it, but if they aren't completed with their process come January 1 you don't have a salary in that line item. Councilmember Hoy: The assurances I've been given by the Commissioners and by law enforcement is that they will have this completed for us, that this will not go into the year 2000 at $1. Councilmember Raben: What he is saying does make a lot of sense. If we act on it today even the title, the job title, is not even correct so that actually has to be renamed as well. Councilmember Sutton: I mean, again, why are we taking actions prior to knowledge of what needs to be done? I mean, we just had this discussion earlier-- Councilmember Raben: As a matter of fact, you just did with the Public Defender, that's exactly right. You voted on that without...in advance without discussion. Councilmember Sutton: No, that was based upon what we presently have and what the situation is. What you were talking about on the Public Defender issue, that is still something proposed. I didn't...the direction I voted had nothing to do with what is being proposed at all and the same thing as what I am talking about here. What I am trying to encourage is that we not move on something that is proposed or in the discussion phase until we have the actual facts in which we can then make the appropriate decisions there. That's all I am asking. Councilmember Raben: My point exactly. My point exactly on the Public Defender issue. We have a committee established to make that determination. Councilmember Sutton: No, what you guys are saying is that we need to act because we think something is going to happen when we don't have the information. we're voting...the motion is in anticipation that certain things will occur when we don't know what those things will be. I mean, you know, I think I've probably made my point, you know, enough, but I guess we can move on so we don't belabor this on any further. Councilman Bassemier: Mr. President, I'm going to vote against this because this is the first I am hearing this. I'm a little hurt here. I'm the Chairman of the...or the liaison officer for the Community Corrections. I'm the Chairman of the Job Study and I knew nothing of this. I heard it about 12 hours ago that this was on some minds of Councilmembers. I'm not saying one way or the other, but fairly I could not vote to set it at one dollar. It's just not fair. I need more time to study it. I worked with Mr. Howerton here for the last few years now and this is kind of...I'm not prepared to vote the changes right now understanding what I read in the paper and what we=ve talked about is they was just going to freeze that salary and not give a four percent raise until we knew some more facts about it, so I'm really in the dark on this. As I said, I'm a little hurt because being the liaison officer I bet I've been out there about 30 times in the last year. I've been to a lot of meetings here in the Civic Center about Community Corrections and just pretty well just put this man...they this man off at the first of the year whether it is him or whoever I don't agree with it. I think he has got a lot of expertise yet. He=s got several years out there and Brad admitted...the Sheriff admitted in some meetings that he=s got a lot to learn. I know Harris made some mistakes out there maybe, you know, we all make mistakes, but he has learned from the mistakes. If people thinks he has made some mistakes, so I'm not a preacher, Phil, so I'll get off this, but I am going to vote no on this. I think freezing the salary is just fair right now. Thank you. President Wortman: Okay. Any more discussion? Councilmember Lloyd: Just a point. The Job Study does a good job rating so I am looking forward to them taking a look at this position. President Wortman: Now, the motion on the floor is to set this line item 1110-1361 in at $1. Any more discussion? Call the roll. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes.   1110-1361 Director/Court Services 1.00 (Motion passes 4-3/Councilmembers Smith, Sutton and Bassemier opposed) President Wortman: Okay, let's move onto the next then, Mr. Raben. Councilmember Raben: Okay, we have 1130-1361 $20,564; 1170-1361 $27,062; 1270-1361 $25,310. Page 96, 1600-1361 zero and I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Do I have a second to that effect? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes.   1130-1361 Administrative Assistant 20,564.00 1170-1361 Transport Officer 27,062.00 1270-1361 Verification Officer 25,310.00 1600-1361 Corporal Stipend -0- (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) SUPERIOR COURT President Wortman: Okay, we go now to page 99, Superior Court. Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, turn to page 103. Line 1770-1370 $24,305. Skip down to 1801-1370 $24,305 and I make those corrections in the form of a motion. Councilmember Sutton: Second. President Wortman: Motion and a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes.   1770-1370 Clerical Assistant 24,305.00 1801-1370 Small Claims Secretary 24,305.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) DRUG & ALCOHOL DEFERRAL SERVICE President Wortman: Now turn to page, I guess, 107. The Alcohol and Deferral Program. Councilmember Raben: Okay, line 1130-1371 $37,244, line 1150-1371 $23,392. Councilmember Smith: What did he say? Hold on. Councilmember Raben: You want me to repeat those lines, Betty? Councilmember Smith: Uh-- Councilmember Raben: Page 107. Councilmember Smith: Okay. Councilmember Raben: Line 1130-1371 $37,244. Councilmember Smith: Okay. Councilmember Raben: Line 1150-1371 $23,392. Councilmember Smith: Okay. President Wortman: That's in a form of a motion. Do I have a second? Councilmember Sutton: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Okay, any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes.   1130-1371 Counselor  37,244.00 1150-1371 Secretary/Receptionist 23,392.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) THE CENTRE President Wortman: Okay, next page 109. Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, line 1130-1440 should read Lead Custodian; line 1140-1440 and 1150-1440 should read Custodial; line 1160-1440 should read Custodial Maintenance Worker and line 1170-1440 should read Custodian. That's the only corrections and I'll make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Councilmember Sutton: Mr. Raben, on those changes, on those titles, now is that reflective of what their positions were before? Where does the title changes come from on this? What affect does this have on their-- Councilmember Raben: It's based on the corrections given to me by our Job Study man. I mean-- Councilmember Smith: Why would they change the titles? Councilmember Sutton: Yeah, if they've got the same positions. Councilmember Raben: Well, I didn't-- Councilmember Smith: If they've got the same positions that they had and they're union people. Councilmember Raben: Three of them weren't changed. Just because they're new positions-- Councilmember Smith: But Custodial Worker on the 16...I mean 1160-1440 Maintenance-- Councilmember Raben: Uh-huh. Councilmember Smith: --you've got Custodial Worker. Suzanne Crouch: Maintenance. Councilmember Raben: Maintenance worker. Sandie Deig: Maintenance worker. Councilmember Sutton: Actually, for example on the 1130-1440 Lead Man and then now it is Lead Custodian and then like the 1150-1440 went from...we'll it says Custodial, but I guess Custodian. You have a Custodial Maintenance Worker, so what was maybe one responsibility now appears to be maybe there is some added responsibilities or something. I guess since we do have a contract with this staff here before we could go in and could make any changes on that doesn't that have to come before their bargaining unit to make any changes or title changes to those positions? Those are union positions. Councilmember Raben: That's a good question. Councilmember Hoy: I think you're right, Mr. Sutton. Councilmember Smith: There are five of them. Councilmember Sutton: I mean, that may be the proper title. It may be it may not, but if we're going to make some title changes you have to...there has to be...I mean, obviously in the contract it stipulates what their position titles are and if we're changing those there has to be something in the contract that indicates such. Councilmember Hoy: There is a contract, you're right. There is a contract on these. Councilmember Smith: But if we change their titles that makes a difference. Councilmember Hoy: That's right. Councilmember Raben: But we're still bound by the contract. Councilmember Sutton: Right. Councilmember Smith: Not if you change the title. We would have to redo it on the contract. President Wortman: Do the duties change or the title, I guess that's the question? Councilmember Raben: Well, I would think you're bound by whatever is in the contract. Councilmember Hoy: If these are the titles in the contract then you have stick with the titles in the contract. Councilmember Smith: That's what is here. Councilmember Sutton: Right. President Wortman: The attorney would like to remark on it. Jeff Ahlers: I think it is probably more important as to what the duty classification is than probably title, but if I'm not mistaken isn't this the positions that were deleted then when they brought them back they went through Job Study? Hasn't this already been reviewed through Job Study, is that right? Councilmember Smith: They didn't go through Job Study. They were union people. Councilmember Sutton: They weren't deleted. Councilmember Smith: They weren't deleted. Jeff Ahlers: They were...well, when the Centre closed-- Councilmember Sutton: They were laid off while-- Jeff Ahlers: No, those lines were zeroed out. Those positions were eliminated and then when they were brought back they went through Job Study, correct? Sandie Deig: No. President Wortman: Ed, do you remember? Councilmember Raben: Sandie? Sandie Deig: They didn't. Jeff Ahlers: Tim, didn't they go through Job Study? Tim Deisher: I believe through Job Study we put the line items back in. Councilmember Smith: Tim, did you interview those people individually as under the Job Study? That's the question. Councilman Bassemier: I really don't remember that happening. Tim Deisher: No. Councilmember Smith: Okay. That's the question. Councilman Bassemier: If they did I wasn't on it then. Councilmember Smith: If you change those titles you're changing their description and you're changing it and it's against the contract. What's the big deal of changing the names when you can leave them like it is? President Wortman: Okay, Mr. Lloyd. Councilmember Lloyd: Maybe Mrs. Deig could go get a copy of the contract. I believe...does that contract expire at the end of this year? This would be in the Salary Ordinance effective January 1, 2000, but I mean these titles need to be consistent with what is in the contract. Councilmember Hoy: That's right and the other point-- Jeff Ahlers: I've got the contract. Councilmember Hoy: Okay, I think the other point that we need to make is that if you go back in the minutes of this body you will find that we agreed that these five positions would continue when the convention facility reopened. Councilmember Sutton: They would be restored in their original positions. Jeff Ahlers: The issue here though is this contract ends at the end of the year though. This is for the 2000 budget, do you see what I'm saying? Councilmember Sutton: Well, then we need to come back. If there is an agreed upon change on this contract then we need to come back next year and change these. We can't change these now. Councilmember Raben: I mean, I don't think it's any big deal. I mean-- Councilmember Smith: If it's not any big deal leave it like it is. Councilmember Raben: That's what I am talking about. I don't think it's any big deal that they be read like they were presented to me, so I would say let's just change it to the way they were originally written. Councilmember Hoy: You want to withdraw your motion? You can do that. Councilmember Sutton: I just don't want us to imply that we have some changes in responsibilities by changing titles-- Councilmember Hoy: That's true. Councilmember Sutton: --when we have, you know, we=ve said that we were going to leave the positions as they were. If it does turn out that there are some changes in the negotiations then we can reflect that the first of the year. Councilmember Raben: These changes were presented to me and I assumed that's what we were doing was...I mean, I thought we were correcting as they were supposed to read. If they're not correct and the way they were originally presented is correct I'm comfortable with doing that. Like I said, I didn't dream up those names. They were presented to me that was the changes that had to be made in it. I mean, I don't have a problem withdrawing. Councilmember Hoy: I withdraw the second. President Wortman: You withdraw the motion and withdraw the second, alright. Councilmember Sutton: Thank you. Councilmember Raben: There were no other changes in that. Councilmember Hoy: I'll second the motion that there are no changes. President Wortman: Alright, a motion and a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Betty, I don't know that it matters at this point, but actually there are only three positions listed in the contract. Councilmember Smith: Only three in the contract? What happened to the other two? There was five when they did that. Councilmember Raben: Three classifications, yeah. That's what I meant to say. Three classifications and five people. President Wortman: Okay, any other discussion? Call for the roll. Mr. Raben, we stopped at you. Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Councilmember Smith: We voted to leave it as it is. Suzanne Crouch: We stopped with Jim. Councilmember Smith: Oh, okay. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) BURDETTE PARK President Wortman: Okay, next page 112, Burdette Park. Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, right now there are no changes in the salary lines. For now I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: And got a second? Councilmember Smith: Second. President Wortman: Second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) LEGAL AID President Wortman: Okay next is 116, Legal Aid. Councilmember Raben: The same on that one, Mr. President. At this time there are no corrections to be made- Councilmember Hoy: Second. Councilmember Raben: --on salary lines. President Wortman: Motion and a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) COUNTY COUNCIL President Wortman: The next is page 119, County Council. Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, there are currently no changes to be made. President Wortman: Got a second? Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a second, Mr. Hoy. Any discussion? Call the roll. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: What am I voting on? Councilmember Smith: Council. Teri Lukeman: County Council. Councilmember Lloyd: Page 119. Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) COUNTY HIGHWAY President Wortman: The next page is Riverboat. Nothing there, so we go to the Highway. Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, we're back on track as there are currently no salary adjustments to be made on this budget. President Wortman: Okay, got a second to that motion on the Highway? Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Call the roll. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) CUMULATIVE BRIDGE President Wortman: Okay, Cumulative Bridge now is 130. Councilmember Smith: Well, wait a minute. What about the County Highway? Councilmember Raben: We just did that. Councilmember Smith: Oh, I thought we were doing the Riverboat. President Wortman: No, there is nothing there. Councilmember Hoy: There are no employees there. We don't have any employees. Councilmember Lloyd: Betty, did you want to change your vote? President Wortman: No, you have to play the machines to win there. Councilmember Smith: I thought we was voting on the Riverboat. President Wortman: No, 2030, Cumulative Bridge. Councilmember Bassemier: Curt, you're going to have to speak. You got to lively us up a little. we're falling asleep over here. Councilmember Raben: Okay, and the motion is there is no salary adjustments at this time. Councilmember Sutton: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Now remember we'll have something down the road here that the 154 on the $100 later on. Mr. Raben will make that in the form of a motion. If not, call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) HEALTH DEPARTMENT President Wortman: Now, 134 nothing there; 136, Family and Children, nothing there. Health Department, 138. Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, line 1130-2130 should read $47,623. Page 139, line 1380-2130 should read Supervisor STD/HIV AIDS Programs. Councilmember Lloyd: Which line? Councilmember Raben: That's 1380-2130. Councilmember Sutton: Repeat those again. Councilmember Raben: Forwards or backwards? Supervisor STD/HIV AIDS Programs, that's a long title, and the amount is $40,911. Councilmember Hoy: Second. Councilmember Raben: Got a motion and a second. Any discussion on the Health Department? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilman Bassemier? Councilman Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes.   1130-2130 Director Communicable Disease 47,623.00 1380-2130 Supervisor STD/HIV AIDS Program Unchanged (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) AIRPORT AUTHORITY President Wortman: The next is the Airport Authority. Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, line 1100-2140 Salary/Wages, I move that all salaries be set in at a four percent increase. I'm going to go ahead and adjust their FICA and PERF. Line 1900 FICA $140,203; 1910 PERF $140,063. The correct figure on the salary adjustments are on the top line is $1,662,105. Councilmember Sutton: Just a real quick question. How do we know if we're giving four percent? I mean, I know you factored in a four percent in terms of number wise, but if they've got an opening, a vacant position, do you know what I am saying? Councilmember Raben: They could divide that up among-- Councilmember Sutton: That's what I am talking about. How do we know we're giving four percent there? Councilmember Smith: Didn't he say he figured it at three point six? I've got a note that he figured that increase and maybe that's the increase for the other...when he figured it he said 3.6%. Councilmember Raben: I can't dig it out now, but that figure I just gave you is based at four percent. Councilmember Smith: Right. Councilmember Raben: I wouldn't even know where to begin to look for it actually. Councilmember Smith: The figure that he gave us was $1,661,551 and the other percentage would have amounted to what you gave us. Councilmember Hoy: Yeah, if you do the...unless my calculator is wrong or I punched the wrong figure the figure they initially gave us was only 2.66% and this was at the four as we did every other budget. Sandie Deig: Is that the $1,662,000, is that the figure he is talking about? Councilmember Raben: Yeah. Sandie Deig: Is that figure there? Councilmember Sutton: I mean, I think the only way we can-- Councilman Bassemier: Just set it in as is. Councilmember Sutton: --that we can know-- Councilmember Raben: I understand your point. You never know if they lose one or two people. Councilmember Sutton: Yeah, $40,000. Councilmember Raben: It averages out at $40,000 per job what about the other $80,000? Can that be divided up among the other employees and you're exactly right. I guess that can go on. You know, I mean, that's-- Councilmember Sutton: Outside of specifically seeing line item by line item what each position is receiving and what they actually get that's the only way that we're going to really be able to tell. Really an itemized list of those salaries. Councilmember Raben: And we do have that. They did provide that to us prior to budget, a line by line breakdown. Like I said, I may have it in here. I don't even know where to look, but we were given that in the early stages of the budgets. Councilmember Sutton: I realize he gave us that, but I'm just saying if we do that we're giving it to a total salary budget rather than to individuals, this four percent. Councilmember Raben: You're exactly right and I think this is the way we=ve always approved this budget and I know several years ago that same question was raised, why do we do it this way, and I think we=ve always been at the mercy of their board which we don't have to be, don't get me wrong. Maybe next year we ought to do exactly what you're saying just for security and vote on them line by line. Councilmember Sutton: Whether we use our own line items or their line items if they want to come up with some we ought to do it that way rather than a big lump sum of a total of their salaries because I think we're just opening up the possibility of some inequities. I'm not saying that is the case or any hint of that being the case out there, but that is just a possibility. Councilmember Raben: Would you like to...I guess after this budget you can make that in a motion-- Councilman Bassemier: Can we come back to it, Jim? Councilmember Raben: --that we vote on this line by line. Councilmember Sutton: Yes, I would be willing to do that. President Wortman: Yeah, Ed, you're the liaison out there. You could get-- Councilman Bassemier: He figures his a little bit different. I think Russ has got that spreadsheet there that can enlighten us. Councilmember Raben: Yeah, but what Royce is saying is he likes to know-- Councilman Bassemier: Yeah, I know what he is saying. Councilmember Raben: He wants to vote on each individual so one person's salary can't...I mean, the way we're voting on it today and the way we=ve voted on it in the past somebody...there could be a 12% increase figured in. Councilman Bassemier: Right, and they are. He=s got in there, I think, his Market Director. I think he has upped that. I think he figures it more on a average. They figure a little bit different than just across four percent raise. Councilmember Raben: Okay, but what he is talking about is if there is a vacancy, one or two vacancies. The original motion I made is that all employees receive a four percent, so that prevents them from giving that individual for now that eight percent increase or whatever you stated it was, but what Royce is saying is that what if in December if they lose an employee and there is a line open with $40,000 sitting there can they take that $40,000 and divvy it up between ten other employees and they pay those employees in excess of this four percent. Councilman Bassemier: Well, can you look at the down side. What if he is not giving some of his employees a four percent raise, but it averages out there so if they're only getting a two and a half or three percent raise and now they're going to get a four percent raise if you raise it. I mean, he=s got it here. Councilmember Smith: I think what Royce...and I feel that it should be is those line items right in the budget book like the rest of them are. we're trying to correct the Community Corrections out there, so why shouldn't those line items be in the book, too? President Wortman: We can correct that after the first of the year. There will be some positive corrections and we=ve done that before, see. Councilmember Hoy: Mr. President. President Wortman: Mr. Hoy. Councilmember Hoy: In fact, I can, if Mrs. Smith can further carry your point that we go with the Health Department. That is a separate, that's a separate taxing district, too? Councilmember Raben: You are going to run into that with Family and Children and a lot of other budgets. But, I mean, it doesn't have to be for all and we want just the Airport to do that, we can ask them to do that. Do you understand what I am saying? You are also going to run into that with a lot of other budgets, too. Councilmember Sutton: Jim, maybe as an amendment to that motion then that each individual employee will get a four percent raise. President Wortman: Employed. Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Councilmember Raben: That was my very first motion, that all employees be set in at a four percent increase and then my next statement, I approved that line. So, we have actually done that, but what you were saying earlier is still exactly right. There are still no provisions that it doesn't happen if there is any terminations or vacancies. I mean, they could still shift that money around. Councilmember Sutton: Well, they stick to what your motion is and they do something other than that, above that. Obviously, that is clearly outside of what's been asked for here. President Wortman: Mr. Lloyd. Councilmember Lloyd: Mr. President, the Airport Authority is a separate taxing district so are they county employees? (Inaudible) Councilmember Lloyd: No, I don't think so. President Wortman: If these are not county employees. Councilmember Lloyd: If they loose a position like Safety Officer or something I would think that they could operate with missing positions and divvy up the money. I mean, Mr. Working, I wouldn't think that they are over staffed out there that they need each position. So, it is a question. Do we trust Mr. Working? But, they are one of those authorities that I don't think that they are county employees. So. President Wortman: They are not county employees. Councilmember Lloyd: So, as a fiscal body we have to approve their budget. President Wortman: Okay, we have a motion on the floor. Any discussion? No discussion. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. 1100-2140 Salary/Wages 1,662,105.00 1900 FICA 140,203.00 1910 PERF 140,063.00 (Motion approved 6-1/Councilmember Sutton opposed) President Wortman: Okay, we will go to the next one, Local Roads and Streets, there is nothing in there. Surveyor Maps, nothing in there. Auditor nothing in there, County Assessor, 150, Land Coordinator, nothing in there. Well we can do Reassessment. Do you want to address that Mr. Raben? REASSESSMENT BUDGETS Councilmember Raben: Yes, I would, Mr. President. Right now, for the time being I would like to zero out all reassessment budgets. This is one of the few accounts that we don't have to make an appropriation or vote on at this particular time. There is still the question that in January they could postpone reassessment once again. Currently, these offices have monies in place to operate with, so for the time being, I would like to zero out all reassessment budgets and that would pertain to the Auditor, Assessor, Board of Appeals, Armstrong Assessor, Center Assessor, German Assessor, Knight Assessor, Perry Assessor, Pigeon, Scott and Union Assessors reassessment budgets. I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Okay, we have a motion on the floor. Second to that effect? Councilmember Lloyd: I guess that I'll second it. President Wortman: You will second it. Okay. Now, and the County Auditor, that is permissible? Suzanne Crouch: Certainly. President Wortman: I just wanted to make sure. Suzanne Crouch: We can always appropriate at any point in this year or next year. President Wortman: Thank you, Mrs. Crouch. Okay, alright got a motion on the floor. Call the roll please. Just a minute, let's change tapes. Teri Lukeman: I'll go ahead and then we can change. President Wortman: We can make the round right quick. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Okay, page 165. Supplemental Adult Probation. We will change the tape. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) TAPE CHANGE CIRCUIT COURT SUPPLEMENTAL ADULT PROBATION Councilmember Raben: Line 1400-2600 should read $22,710. Line 1410-2600 should read $32,621. Line 1800-2600 should read $5,000 and I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Second, Mr. Hoy. Any discussion on this? Call the roll please. Councilmember Lloyd: Can we read those off again? I didn't get all of that. Councilmember Raben: Okay, let me go back. Okay, 1400-2600 should read $22,710, 1410-2600 should read $32,621 and 1800-2600 should read $5,000. Councilmember Lloyd: Thank you. President Wortman: Okay, everybody got that? Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes.   1400-2600 Qualified Medication Aide 22,710.00 1410-2600 AISP/DISP Caseworker 32,621.00 1800-2600 Shift Differential 5,000.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) President Wortman: Now, we will go to page 168, Superior Court Supplemental Adult Probation. SUPERIOR COURT SUPPLEMENTAL ADULT PROBATION Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, there=s no changes or corrections on this, that budget. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a motion and a second. Any discussion? Call the roll. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Page 170, Pretrial Diversion which is self-supporting, by the way. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) PROSECUTOR PRETRIAL DIVERSION Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, there is only one salary line and there are no corrections. Councilmember Sutton: Second President Wortman: Got a second from Mr. Sutton. Any discussion? Call the roll. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Page 171, Surveyor Corner Perpetuation Fund. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0)         SURVEYOR CORNER PERPETUATION FUND Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, there are no changes on any salary line. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a motion and a second. Call the roll, when you get a chance. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Page 172, Misdemeanor Offender. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) CIRCUIT COURT MISDEMEANOR OFFENDER SHERIFF MISDEMEANOR HOUSING Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, on Misdemeanor Offender there are no changes in the salary lines. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: I've got a second from Mr. Hoy. Councilmember Raben: I was going to include 173, which is Sheriff Misdemeanor Housing. The first line 1360-2780 should read Detention Officer and the amount should read $23,897. Councilmember Smith: 827? Councilmember Raben: 897. Line 1370-2780 should read Detention Officer and the amount is $23,897 and I make those two budgets in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Okay, two budgets, that's a combination. Got a second to that, Mr. Hoy. Okay. Councilmember Hoy: There are two motions on the floor. President Wortman: Two motions on the floor. Okay, any discussion? Call the roll please, when you get a chance. Councilmember Hoy: Mr. Raben was lumping those together and as a seconder, I'll accept that as one motion. President Wortman: Yeah, those two together, so, everybody understood that. Thank you. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes.   1360-2780 Detention Officer  23,897.00 1370-2780 Detention Officer 23,897.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) President Wortman: Okay, page 174, Local Emergency Planning, nothing there. Next page is 175 Local Drug Free Community, nothing there. Emergency Service page 176, nothing there. Convention and Business Bureau, page 177. CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU Councilmember Raben: Okay, there are no salary changes or corrections at this time. I will make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Okay, got a second? Councilmember Smith: Second. President Wortman: Okay, got a second from Mrs. Smith. Any discussion? Call the roll. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Page 180 is nothing, page 181 nothing, page 182, Levee Distribution Tax, that's got salary and wages involved there. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) LEVEE DISTRIBUTION TAX Councilmember Raben: Okay, line 1100-4250, the correct figure is $430,423, 1900 FICA, the correct figure is $32,927, 1910 PERF the correct figure is $37,622 and I am going to go ahead and throw in 1940 Workman's Comp the figure is $13,871. Mr. President, at this time that is all the corrections and I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Got a second? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Got a second, any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben, would you repeat the figure for PERF, please? Councilmember Raben: Uh, $37,662.00 Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes.   1100-4250 Salary/Wages 430,423.00 1900 FICA 32,927.00 1910 PERF 37,662.00 1940 Workman's Comp 13,871.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) LEGAL AID/UNITED WAY President Wortman: Okay, next page 185 Legal Aid/United Way. Councilmember Raben: There are no adjustments to be made, Mr. President, and I make that in the form of a motion. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a motion and a second. Okay, call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. I think that is the end of the road so, we will go back on the 3000 and 4000 accounts. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0)   Approval of four percent salary increase for county employees for year 2000 Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, before we go there, I would like to move that all county employees receive a four percent raise for the year 2000 as listed in the 2000 Salary Ordinance for all salaries in accordance with the County's Salary Ordinance. Councilmember Sutton: Second. President Wortman: Got a motion and a second, a lot of seconds. Okay, sounds good. Okay, any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) Salary Ordinance Exhibit A - H Councilmember Raben: Okay, now Mr. President, let me also move that Exhibit A - H in the back of your Salary Ordinance, be approved as listed for the year 2000. I will make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Got a second? Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Okay, Mr. Raben. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0) Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, before we finish the 2000 and 3000 accounts, lets go to page, let me get you the correct page number, page 115, Burdette Park, there was some confusion as to the appropriation that was filed for this month, so we are going to put back in a few items for Burdette Park. BURDETTE PARK Councilmember Raben: First, would be line 4080, that figure should be $2,000, line 4110 Land & Improvements $2,000, line 4120 Buildings, $10,000 and line 4130, $4,000. Then the remainder on the line 4080 we will appropriate today in an appropriation during our regular Council meeting. Then if you would B President Wortman: Mr. Raben, what did you set 4080 Pool Improvements in at? Councilmember Raben: 2,000. President Wortman: 2,000. Okay.               4080 Pool Improvements 2,000.00 4110 Land & Improvements 2,000.00 4120 Buildings 10,000.00 4130 Park and Playground 4,000.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0, later in meeting) COUNTY COMMISSIONERS Councilmember Raben: Then let's go to page, well let me get you the correct page, it starts on 80. Turn to page 81, Patient and Inmate, set that in at $1,300,000.00. Councilmember Smith: At how much? Councilmember Raben: Patient and Inmate on page 81, Betty, it is near the bottom, 3050, $1,300,000.00 President Wortman: 1,300,000.00.   1300-3050 Patient and Inmate 1,300,000.00 (Motion unanimously approved 7-0, later in meeting)   Approval of 2000, 3000 & 4000 accounts Councilmember Raben: In addition to that I move that all 2000, 3000 and 4000 accounts for the 2000 budget be adopted as previously approved. I am going to list them okay. Armstrong Assessor and Armstrong Reassessment; County Assessor and Assessor Reassessment; the Auditor's Office/Auditor Reassessment; Bond Issue; Burdette Park; Center Assessor; Center Assessor/ Reassessment; Circuit Court; Circuit Supplemental Adult Probation; Circuit Court Misdemeanor Offender; County Clerk; Community Corrections; Convention Center Operating Fund; Convention and Visitor's Bureau; Cooperative Extension; Coroner's Office; County Commissioners; County Commissioners CCD; County Council; Cum Bridge; Drainage Board; Drug and Alcohol Deferral; Election Office; Family and Children; German Township Assessor and Reassessment; Health Department; the Highway Department; County Jail, Knight Assessor and Knight Reassessment; Legal Aid; Legal Aid United Way; Levee Distribution Tax; Local Drug Free Community; Local Emergency Planning Committee; Local Roads and Streets; Perry Assessor and Perry Assessor Reassessment; Pigeon Assessor/Pigeon Assessor Reassessment; Property Tax Assessment; Board of Appeal; Property Tax Assessment Board of Appeal Reassessment; Prosecutor; Prosecutor IV-D; Prosecutor Check Fee Recovery; Prosecutor Drug Law Enforcement; Prosecutor Victim/Witness Assistance program; Prosecutor STOP Domestic Violence; Prosecutor Adult Protective Services; Prosecutor Pretrial Diversion; Recorder; Riverboat; Scott Assessor and Scott Reassessment; Sheriff's Department; Sheriff's Misdemeanor Housing; Superior Court; Superior Court Supplemental Adult Probation; Superintendent of County Buildings; Surveyor; Surveyor Maps; Surveyor Corner Perpetuation; the Centre; Tourism Capital Improvement; Union Assessor; Treasurer; Union Reassessment; Veteran's Administration; Voter's Registration; Weight and Measurers; and Welfare. There will be a test on that in five minutes. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a motion and a second. Any discussion on what he read? Okay, he didn't get it fast enough but that is okay. Councilmember Sutton: Just a minute. Councilmember Smith: Mr. Chairman? Councilmember Sutton: On one item, Jim, I was meaning for us, back on the salaries when we got done with the roll there. I didn't get a chance to go back to it, in fact, I just kind of overlooked it, on page 45. Councilmember Raben: Give me just one second, Royce. Councilmember Sutton: Page 45 and that would be Prosecutor Adult Protective Services and the line, the motion was for $24,831 and -- Councilmember Raben: Correct. Councilmember Sutton: What I was wanting was an amendment to that which would add $8,273 to that. I recognize that it is a grant position on that, but they have already had substantial cuts already there in that particular area, but that is really what I am requesting is $8,273 on the line item 3994 for the Adult Protective Services. Councilmember Raben: Again, I think that I addressed my feelings on these grant accounts and bailing them out with General Fund monies. I feel that at this time I don't wish to do so. We are already, this particular account, carrying $25,000 of the load with local taxpayers money and I certainly don't wish to dig ourselves any deeper hole at this time. President Wortman: Okay, so the motion to reopen or not reopen is rejected so I will entertain a motion from the floor if you want to open it up. Councilmember Sutton: The motion on the floor -- President Wortman: Oh, you didn't make the motion on the floor? Councilmember Sutton: He made the motion. I was asking him for an amendment to his motion. Councilmember Hoy: The process is that we have to, we now have to vote on the motion. We could reopen. President Wortman: Right. Councilmember Hoy: I have a question. I think that I got my answer on Burdette Park, I forget what page that was on, we restored some things and is that 115? Councilmember Raben: It is 115, okay, Councilmember Sutton: 115. Councilmember Raben: We restored $2,000 in Pool Improvements, $2,000 in Land and Improvements, $10,000 in Buildings and $2,000 in -- Councilmember Hoy: Playground. Councilmember Raben: Right, $4,000. Councilmember Hoy: $4,000, that's right. Thank you. Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, you have a very long motion on the floor. I might add that we need to go ahead and vote on this motion so that I don't have to read through it all again. Then we can re-vote to open. Councilmember Sutton: Well, you read it so well. We=d like to have you say it over a couple of times. Councilmember Raben: At any point, you can move to reopen an account....I'd keep with this motion, so that it doesn't have to be read again. Councilmember Sutton: Okay, I would want to go ahead and reopen that but we will go ahead, and...right, I am going to request after this vote. Councilmember Raben: I am asking you not to bring that in on my motion, but move to reopen after we vote on this. Councilmember Sutton: Well, and that's why, I'm hoping that you won't have to read that again so, what I am saying is that I would like to reopen after this. Councilmember Raben: You can make a motion after we vote on this. Councilmember Sutton: I just want to make sure I get an opportunity to do that. President Wortman: Okay. Councilmember Raben: Mr. Sutton has made it known that he intends to reopen, but let's get this out of the way, first. President Wortman: Okay, do we know what we are voting on? Everybody understands? Okay, you can call the roll. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: I'm going to vote yes, but I am going to vote to reopen. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: I'm going to yes your motion, Jim. Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0)     PROSECUTOR ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES - REOPENED Councilmember Sutton: Mr. President, I would like to ask that or offer a motion that we reopen the Prosecutor Adult Protective Services budget or department 1086. That's, I'm offering that. Councilmember Lloyd: What page is that? Councilmember Sutton: Page 45. Councilmember Smith: I second it. President Wortman: Line item 3994 Special Matching Grants. Councilmember Smith: I second that. President Wortman: Got a motion and a second to reopen it, page 45, Special Matching Grants 3994 in the amount of $8,273. Is that correct, Mr. Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes, it is. Councilmember Hoy: I would like to ask our legal counsel. Does this take a two-thirds or a simple majority, Mr. Ahlers? Jeff Ahlers: To reopen, I think that under the rules that we passed, it just takes four votes. Under Roberts Rules, I think it would take and we always get confused with that, but we take B Councilmember Hoy: In my eighth year, we are going to adopt Roberts Rules. Jeff Ahlers: We have a general rule that just takes it B Councilmember Bassemier: We just voted on it and now they are going to reopenB Councilmember Hoy: It is going to take a long time to make sausage. President Wortman: Okay, any other discussion? Call the roll. Councilmember Bassemier: I think that you are wrong here. President Wortman: Just a minute, please. The County Attorney is looking it up. Councilmember Bassemier: It will take five votes to open it. Councilmember Hoy: Simple majority. Councilmember Smith: No, it doesn't. Councilmember Sutton: To reopen it is just a simple majority. Councilmember Bassemier: We just voted on it. Councilmember Raben: It would take five to increase the line. Councilmember Smith: Then you should have said that before we voted to pass the whole thing. Knowing that we were going to vote to reopen. Councilmember Raben: It only takes four to reopen. Councilmember Smith: Well, that's what we want to do. But, then you said to pass it would take five, we=ve haven't got five, but we=ve got four. Councilmember Bassemier: You all been talking, huh? Councilmember Smith: Yes, we have. The same as you all did last night. Councilmember Lloyd: I wasn't there. Councilmember Smith: I wasn't either. Councilmember Hoy: I was moving furniture. Councilmember Smith: Well, on the budget, it should take four the same way it has all evening, the whole afternoon. Jeff Ahlers: I don't see any specific rule that we enacted discussing reopening which means it would fall under the general rule where we said it would just take a majority vote of four to engage in any motions. So, four to reopen. Councilmember Bassemier: Four to open, right? Jeff Ahlers: Four to open. President Wortman: Call the roll. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: I'm going to return the favor and move to reopen just to guarantee him that opportunity for granting that to go through. So, I will vote yes to reopen. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: No. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Okay, so we have to reopen. Now I will entertain a motion to Mr. Sutton. Councilmember Sutton: My motion is line item 394, excuse me 3994 which is Special Matching Grants and to add $8,273 to the amount that was approved of $24,831. President Wortman: Do I got a second to that motion? Councilmember Smith: I second it. President Wortman: Any discussion on this? Councilmember Lloyd: Mr. President. President Wortman: Mr. Lloyd. Councilmember Lloyd: Is it to raise this budget, after we have already voted it in at the lower figure, do we need four votes or five? Jeff Ahlers: Is that any increase of a salary or position? Councilmember Sutton: Well, that is more than one position there. Jeff Ahlers: If it is salaries, it is going to take five votes. Councilmember Raben: They are salaries. President Wortman: Now, the original requests was $33,104 but you set it at $24,831 so do you want it to be placed back in at $8,273. Councilmember Raben: That supplements four salaries I believe in that account. What page was that on? I don't remember. Councilmember Smith: Page 45. Councilmember Sutton: It is a Director, two Investigators, and a Secretary. Councilmember Raben: One of which is a vacant position right now. So, there are just three positions in there. Councilmember Smith: But, the state cut it by 33% and Stan needs that amount of money. Councilmember Raben: And my point exactly from earlier was that each time the state does that or any grant does that we seem to come in and bail them out with General Fund monies and I don't think that is the proper thing to do. Councilmember Bassemier: It has already passed. It will take five votes. President Wortman: Alright any other discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: No. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. If it takes five votes, there are four for it and three against. Are you sure it takes five votes? Jeff Ahlers: All I am saying is we passed the Salary Ordinance. Once the Salary Ordinance is passed it takes, now you are looking to increase salaries above what have been passed in the Salary Ordinance, which would be an increase kicking in the two/thirds vote. Councilmember Sutton: But when they submitted their budget, what they submitted was not over and above. Jeff Ahlers: Well, that would take six, if you were wanting to rise it above what was submitted. What we can do is let this vote stand and if you want me to B Councilmember Sutton: It is not above what they submitted. Jeff Ahlers: Bcheck into it further, or let it fall where it goes. Councilmember Sutton: It is not above what they submitted, so what was legally advertised, we are not exceeding that. Councilmember Smith: Jim asked us to go ahead and pass that and come back to make the amendment instead of beforehand. Councilmember Raben: No, Betty, but see that was on the 2, 3 and 4000 accounts. What he is referring to is what we passed a couple of motions prior to that when we set in the four percent B Councilmember Smith: We are still on the budget with four votes. Councilmember Raben: But the motion that I was referring to and not wanting to repeat refers to the 2, 3, and 4000 accounts. So, he is talking about a motion that was made two or three prior. Jeff Ahlers: What I was going to suggest is that what I'll do is that I'll be happy to call the state. If they say that it only takes four then you have four votes and it passes. Otherwise, if it is still considered to be five votes then what you can do is just move to make an excess appropriation to try to put it in at another time. Do you see what I am saying? You have already voted, what I can do is double-check to satisfy everybody and if it turns out that you only need four votes then it passed. President Wortman: That's good enough.               1086-3994 Special/Matching Grants 33,104.00 *(Motion fails 4-3/Councilmembers Bassemier, Lloyd and Raben opposed) President Wortman: Okay, now next on the agenda, Mr. Raben is Health Insurance. Amended health insurance budget Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, I move that, all Councilmembers have been given a final year 2000 insurance data report and I move that the Council approve the insurance budget as listed and I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Smith: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Smith: (Inaudible). Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. (Motion passes 6-0/Councilmember Sutton absent) Establish county tax rate President Wortman: Okay, number ten, Establish the County Tax Rate. Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, I move that the County Council set a county tax rate as deemed appropriate by the state, Indiana State Commissioners, following their review of our budget. So, I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Okay, do I have a second to that effect? Councilmember Bassemier: Second. President Wortman: Okay, got a second. Any discussion? All in favor, raise, call the roll, I mean. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. (Motion passes 6-0/Councilmember Sutton absent) Cumulative Bridge tax rate President Wortman: Okay the Cumulative Bridge Tax Rate that's been set in, Mr. Raben? Councilmember Raben: Okay, I move that we set in the Cum Bridge tax rate at .154 per $100 assessed valuation and I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Lloyd: Second President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Call the roll. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. (Motion passes 6-0/Councilmember Sutton absent) Adjournment President Wortman: Okay, any new business to come before this body, this day here, September 1, in reference to the budget. I don't hear any, don't see none so I will entertain a motion to adjourn the 2000 budget hearings. Councilmember Smith: So moved. President Wortman: No discussion. All those in favor, raise your right hand so we can get unanimous, one, two, three, four, five, six, appreciate all of your attendance. (Meeting adjourned 3:04 p.m.)     VANDERBURGH COUNTY COUNCIL _____________________________ ____________________________ President Curt Wortman Vice President Russell Lloyd, Jr.         ____________________________ ____________________________ Councilmember James Raben Councilmember Phil Hoy         _____________________________ ____________________________ Councilmember Ed Bassemier Councilmember Royce Sutton     ________________________________ Councilmember Betty Knight-Smith Recorded by Teri Lukeman and transcribed by Charlene Timmons, BJ Farrell & Todd Hochstetler.