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MINUTES OCTOBER 6, 1999 The Vanderburgh County Council met in session the 6th day of October, 1999 in room 301 of the Civic Center Complex. The meeting was called to order at 3:38 p.m. by County Council President Curt Wortman. President Wortman: Welcome, everybody, to the Vanderburgh County Council meeting here October the 6th, a little late starting, but, so we've got to get to moving here. We'll open the meeting and would the Sheriff please present that, please? Brad Ellsworth: That's why I was up here. President Wortman: Okay fine, you're fine. (Meeting opened by Sheriff Ellsworth) President Wortman: Thank you, Mr.
Ellsworth. Now then attendance roll call, please.
*Councilmember Lloyd arrived shortly after roll call. President Wortman: Would you all please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? (Pledge of Allegiance was given)
President Wortman: Item number four on your agenda, I'd like to take a motion, approval of the following minutes: August 25, 1999 Special Meeting; September 1, 1999 Regular Meeting; and September 1, 1999 Final Budget Hearing. Do I hear a motion from the floor? Councilmember Hoy: So moved. Councilmember Sutton: Second. President Wortman: And got a second over there. Any discussion on those past minutes? All those in favor raise your right hand. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. We'll get right in to the appropriation order and the first on the agenda is the County Auditor and she went to a state meeting, I think, is that correct? We've got her replacement here, Mr. Fluty. So, Mr. Raben, would you proceed with the -- which we rehashed here last Wednesday on the Microfilming/Scanning? Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, before I go into the actual appropriations, if you'll look at your General Fund balance sheet, we have $911,000 unencumbered, okay. We have requests today for $905,000. There's been some discussion of repeal in the amount, and I don't mean to put the Sheriff's Department on the spot, but somewhere around $100,000 in computer funds. But I think we all need to bear in mind today that it's just October and I feel that if we leave ourselves with less than, say a quarter of a million dollars with the rest of the year to go, that we may be acting irresponsible. You have to remember that there may be some unforseen Y2K emergencies. We have some requests coming before us, we've been told that approximately $25,000 in Postage; Jail Food in the area of 35 to $45,000; Garage & Motors in the area of 25 to $30,000; and then Food for Community Corrections of $15,000. So that's just what we know is coming. So I think we need to exercise some caution in the appropriations today. While they may not be favorable cuts, you have to remember that again, we're acting as a responsible body for this county. So, are there any questions or comments? Councilmember Bassemier: Jim, Mr. President. Jim, on the CCD money, is there anything we can -- it's all spoken for? Councilmember Raben: On CCD Funds, I don't know if John Stoll is present, but he has been asked by the Commissioners to provide a spreadsheet, but CCD Funds are totally spoken for. The plan for that is the Phase III of Burkhardt, Phase II of Lynch Road, so the funds are all spoken for. President Wortman: Okay, anybody else got anything to say? Councilmember Hoy: I have just a question of curiosity for the Auditor's Office. Since I was one of negatives on Burkhardt, could you all give me a figure on how much we spent there? Not right now, but just since we voted that $3,000,000 I am curious. Councilmember Raben: What they are in the process on doing right now is they are: a lot of legal work for Phase III, land acquisitions for right-of-ways and whatnot, and John Stoll is putting together a spreadsheet right now that we will probably have for our next meeting. Councilmember Hoy: That is where the CCD money is going? Councilmember Raben: Correct. Councilmember Hoy: I agree with Mr. Raben about us being careful. I'll just go back to my original warning when we spent that $3,000,000. I voted against that and I think that the developers should be responsible for some of that and here we are wondering how we are going to supply our Sheriff with cars. We've got cars with 200,000 miles on them that are unsafe and that bothers me that we've tied up that much money and now don't have any money freed up for that kind of thing. Thank you. President Wortman: Anybody else got
anything to say? Okay, the County Auditor appropriation.
A) AUDITOR Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, I'll move approval of 1020-3401 in the amount of $25,000. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Got a second from Mr. Lloyd. Any discussion? No discussion, call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. Okay, passes 6-1. AUDITOR REQUESTED APPROVED
(Motion carried 6-1/Councilmember Sutton opposed) B) SHERIFF DEPARTMENT President Wortman: Next is the Sheriff's Department. Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, I'll move approval of 1050-4230 in the amount of $180,000; 1050-4250 in the amount of $18,000; 1050-1510-1050 in the amount of $8,500; and 1050-1300-1050 in the amount of $85,000. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Any discussion? Councilmember Smith: How many cars does that bring us to? Councilmember Raben: I was basing that on six. Councilmember Smith: Six? Councilmember Raben: Uh-huh, six cars and equipment for six. Councilmember Smith: And he requested ten. President Wortman: Yeah, I got a list there of eight cars from 212,000 miles to 154,000 miles that need to be replaced pretty bad. Now if you have a wreck it's going to cost more than that. We've been behind on the cars in the Sheriff's Department and maybe next year we can back off, but we've been not giving them enough to start with, so this is (inaudible), they've got a list here of that. So anyway, anybody else got any discussion? Councilmember Bassemier: I understand where Jim is coming from, he's very reasonable on that six cars, but I can see where the Sheriff is going to repeal $100,000 so that would maybe get him a couple more cars and I talked with the Sheriff and he said he needs them, so I am kind of hoping maybe we can get in between well, Jim says six and ten, maybe working in eight cars. So I -- Councilmember Smith: I'd like to amend your motion to make that eight cars instead of -- that's half -- Councilmember Raben: Betty, I don't want anybody to misunderstand me. I don't disagree on the urgency for the cars. But again, when we're trying to protect the county so we have some kind of operating balance just to cover the known expenditures that are coming before us and with that we're going to run very close if nothing else happens. Councilmember Bassemier: Mr. President, -- Councilmember Raben: If we have a strong operating balance in January we may try to fund those two then. Councilmember Bassemier: Jim, when you named six, did you take that $100,000 in consideration that the Sheriff is going to give back to us? Councilmember Raben: Well, to be perfectly honest with you, I was coming in today and trying to work with the numbers, I had a figure of four or five in mind, so the $100,000 made me feel somewhat comfortable with six. And again, I'd probably be the first to vote in January if we have a healthy operating balance. But I don't see how this Council can even consider spending our balance down this close the first of October. President Wortman: On the vehicles here now, eight would be $240,000 and the first of the year they have to be on the piggyback by this year, am I correct? The Sheriff, they have to be on or you can't wait until next year? Brad Ellsworth: We have to basically wait until we know a price on the QPA when the bid prices come in. We don't know if they are going to be Chevy or Fords at this time. Chevy has gotten back into the police vehicle business. What we run into is when we wait, we don't get our -- what happened last year, we got enough for four cars and we didn't take delivery on those cars until July or August of this year based on that because we were so late getting the order in and getting the money. It makes it a lot easier if we know right now what we're getting and we can go ahead and get the car company ready. President Wortman: Mr. Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Sheriff, while you are at the mike, you have said that you could repeal $100,000, is that correct? Brad Ellsworth: If you remember when we took our the beds for the new jail project, one bid came in, I believe it was $360,000, $365,000, the other came in at $180,000 and by the time we tweaked it, it looks -- the committee we put together chose the less expensive of the two and so it looks like by the time we get the proper equipment, we going to be able to repeal $100,000, it should be right at. We hate to put that exact figure and tell you in stone because until it's in and approved, there may be an upper or extra but that looks like it's going to be right at $100,000. Councilmember Hoy: Okay, could you give us, if that's not a full $100,000, what the lowest level might be on that repeal? Would you say $90 - $95,000? Brad Ellsworth: $100,000 gives us a cushion, my computer man says. You can pretty much bank on $100,000. Councilmember Smith: I would think if he is committing himself to approximately $100,000, that we could at least give him eight. And I'd like to amend your motion. Councilmember Raben: Betty, let me run one thing by this Council before we do that. Just the additional appropriations that are coming towards us, okay, if you add those up, back out the difference, the request for ten and throw in the $100,000 repeal, that will give this body a balance of roughly $115,000. No, I am sorry, excuse me, hold on a second. Roughly $43,000, so (inaudible -- distortion in sound system) is what stands between us and any (inaudible). You do what you think is the correct thing to do knowing that these funds probably aren't going to be spent though until after the first of the year anyway. I think Brad and Eric are both unsure whether there is going to be any (inaudible) written this year. Councilmember Sutton: I guess that's maybe my question. When do we anticipate that these orders would be made on these vehicles? Brad Ellsworth: We can't until the QPA comes out -- Eric Williams: (Inaudible -- comments not made from the microphone) Councilmember Raben: See, so if we have a healthy operating balance and say our operating balance is 2.5 - 2.7 next year, we can surely fund two more cars after the first of the year. But I think you're putting the county in jeopardy if we spend any more than we absolutely have to today. Councilmember Sutton: I guess my question is related to what is requested today. When would the cars actually be received? What you are requesting today, when would that order actually be placed? Brad Ellsworth: Right after the first of the year. Eric Williams: If I could, I'll try to answer Royce's question. The problem is when the tan and brown cars that are marked units, Ford or Chevy, they run those for two or three days, that's all they do. So if you don't at least tell them in advance we're going to order six, or ten or twelve, when they get ready to make that run, they are not going to be there for you and then you have to scavenge and that's what happened to us this year because the money wasn't in place early enough for us to tell them in advance that we're probably going to take four, six, eight or whatever. So we had to search the state, all other states that use brown and tan for departments that's money fell through to find cars that we could buy that match the brown and tan. The advantage of having the money now, these are for 2000 vehicles but they will start planning their production phase as soon as the QPA is let which is usually around November, somewhere in that range. So in December, we need to tell them that we've got funding in place for at least six cars so we know that we're on the list for them to produce that many cars for us because the cost to have them painted tan and brown far outweighs what it is just to order them that way if you can get them that way. Councilmember Raben: But Eric, you could actually order eight, correct? I mean, and take delivery on six if you had to. Eric Williams: Quite frankly, we could tell them we're going to order 24 of them and only buy six or eight of them because there's going to be a whole lot of other agencies just like we were scrambling because all of the sudden they got some money to try to buy them and the little Sheriff's offices that buy one a year or two a year. So we just want to give them an honest number of what we're going to look to order and we're following your recommendations to come back to you after budget hearings for 2000, because this was for our budget for 2000. It was zeroed out, so we just put the exact same numbers in for this request. Councilmember Raben: Well, I -- President Wortman: And then also, the cars are probably going to be higher next year, too. Eric Williams: The factories tell you that you can usually plan on an eight percent increase on QPA's. Now generally, it doesn't come out to eight percent, that's low. But that's the recommended cushion that they tell you to figure in for calculating. President Wortman: Right, and this appropriation is for October. We've got one month because December can wait until January, too. That's another thing on appropriations, see. Mr. Hoy, have you got anything? Councilmember Hoy: Mr. Raben, you mentioned we would have $72,000 left which is a pretty scary figure. We also have a repeal today of $60,000. Would that $72,000 be in addition to this? Councilmember Raben: The 72 figure was how much we're taking off by going from ten cars to eight cars. That $72,000 figure that I gave you is the reduction in their -- Councilmember Hoy: Okay, I thought you were talking about how much money we'd have left in the General Fund. Councilmember Raben: No, the $43,000 is what I approximated as our balance for the rest of the year. Councilmember Hoy: Okay, and then that doesn't include the $60,000 today, or it does? Councilmember Raben: There's not actually a $60,000 repeal, there is a -- oh yes there is. There is a $60,000 repeal that there is a question on there as to whether or not that is actually correct. We're going to go ahead and approve it today but there's some question as to that being correct. But I think that Eric said is an important point. They can order eight or order ten tomorrow but they are not going to take delivery on them until after the first and don't have to take as many as they order anyway. Councilmember Sutton: And I guess that's maybe what I am kind of with my question is trying to lead toward and that is why encumber the money if we're not going to use it especially if we've got other things that are before us today and possibly next month. Not to say that we wouldn't -- Councilmember Raben: It doesn't hurt to spend your balance down but you don't want to leave yourself in a situation where Computer Services are going to come in here next month and say hey we overlooked something here that we've got to do before December 31st and that's going to be $110,000 or something like that or -- Councilmember Sutton: Well Jim, I am not disagreeing with you because the question is more to us rather than to them, and that is would we want to encumber money or set money aside for appropriation that maybe realistically we won't have to meet the need, actually pay the bill until much later on whereas if we make that appropriation today, we've already taken that money out of our General Fund and we wouldn't be able to fund any additional things. So I don't think we're saying that we don't want to at least put something or keep the cars in mind, but I guess I am just trying to get an idea why we need to make an appropriation today if we aren't actually going to make the purchase here within the next few weeks or something like that. Eric Williams: If I could just interject where we come from on that, because we understand that but in good faith I think we owe it to the car dealerships, the manufacturer, the money we're going to owe for these cars, that the money is in place. It's kind of like, I don't want to go order something with no intention of knowing that the funding is in place and set aside for it. We could only go order ten and pick up six a few times before they'll say well, we want cash in advance. We want the money up front before we'll process your order because those brown and tan cars, there's only a limited number of people that are going to get them and they are pretty specific. So that's all the reasoning for saying that we want the money now when we're going to place the order for the 2000 cars. You know, when we put it in for our 2000 budget request we know the money is not available until January 1, but we know it's locked in there and it's the money to spend so we're very comfortable calling them and saying yeah, we've got money for ten, we're not going to take delivery until they are run which is sometime in January anyway, but we know the money is in place for them. If you don't fund these, we would not be comfortable calling them and saying we're going to take six or eight, because we really wouldn't know. And then we're going to be back in the same dilemma that we were this year. We'll wait until we know the funding is in place and then we'll go out and try to find the vehicles and if we do that, we've just to hope that there is going to be some left out there that somebody else didn't take. Councilmember Sutton: I guess, we don't want to say something that we aren't committed to, I don't want to imply that, but I guess at the same time I am trying to understand if in terms of making that commitment in terms of the dollars that we won't actually use until later on, I think what we need to just come up with at least today is figure out how many we want to do. I think that's where we are probably at this juncture. It's not a matter of if we're going to do it, I think it sounds like we're going to do something but it's just a matter of what we're going to do and when we're going to do it. Councilmember Raben: I might also add, and this may be a question more towards the Auditor's Office, but for them to actually a P.O., do the funds need to be in place? Bill Fluty: Yes, that's correct. Councilmember Raben: So the money would have to be there at some point in time for the P.O., but we've talked about this enough. President Wortman: Mr. Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Jim, I know by that little speech that you gave, and you're doing a very good job, you're trying to hold the spending down, but if you would just bear with us until at the end of meeting. If the Sheriff is going to give us $100,000 back here in another month or two, your fear of that end of this meeting, we'll probably be about $40,000 more than what you anticipated when you walked into this room. So I am just saying if we give him eight cars. Councilmember Raben: It's real basic and real simple. You have, assuming that all appropriations today that are requested are approved, which it looks like all of them are pretty must situations, okay, you'll have a balance of $6,000 when you leave this room today. If you take his $100,000 repeal that we're not even sure that we're going to get which they are just being up-front with us and letting us know that there is a strong possibility that it may be coming, but they're not 100% sure of that, correct? Brad Ellsworth: 99.9. Councilmember Raben: 99.9. Okay, I listed, I've written through my figures so many times, I think it was $115,000 in appropriations that we know of that are coming before us, okay. So we've got $106,000 with the repeal, $115,000 coming before us, so that puts us nine in the hole. And then you've got a $60,000 repeal back here which will leave you an operating balance of (inaudible -- distortion in microphone) $51,000. Then you say $50,000, if there is no other appropriations that come before us. President Wortman: Okay, Mrs. Smith, do you accept her amendment to the motion, Jim? Councilmember Raben: No, Mr. President, I don't. I have to, as Finance Chairman I have to stick to my guns on this one. Councilmember Sutton: Councilman Raben, the unappropriated balance that according to the sheet that I've got, and you said 911, is that what you were saying? On mine it's 965. President Wortman: Eight cars, Mr. Sutton, would be $240,000. Councilmember Raben: Okay, $965,000. I was looking at Reassessment. Councilmember Sutton: Okay, and then our appropriation requests today are, if all were approved as they have been presented to us in out packets are right at 905,000. So that's $60,000 plus the $100,000 that we've been hearing about, this repeal. So that puts you at right about $220,000. Councilmember Raben: Okay, and I have cited $115,000 that are known requests coming towards us. Councilmember Hoy: Mr. Sutton, in your figures then, did you include this repeal that we have today on the Centre? Councilmember Sutton: Yeah, with the repeal today, right around $220,000 with all of them. You take the, if we were to, everything that was requested today, subtract that from the General Fund balance and that gives you $60,000, and then the $100,000 from the Sheriff and the $60,000 again that we have today. Councilmember Hoy: Okay, and you're using figures with ten cars or eight? Councilmember Sutton: I am basing it on what we have today. Councilmember Hoy: If we reduce this to eight, that would give us another $60,000 on cars and (inaudible) on the equipment, so that would put us at -- Councilmember Sutton: Two eighty. President Wortman: Two forty, for eight cars it would be $240,000 I think. Councilmember Hoy: And you are saying, Mr. Raben, for sure with the Postage and some other things coming in, $100 and how much, $115,000? Councilmember Sutton: $115,000. Councilmember Raben: Actually I think I may be leaving off one or two there, but it's close -- Councilmember Sutton: It's going to be close any way you look at it. It's going to be a close call here and no, we don't know what may come before us. We've got the Patient/Inmate Care which is always a major source of angst for all of us, but at least we've got that one today rather than December, but who knows what is going to come up in the next couple of months or so. But the figures I was kind of working with in my head and -- President Wortman: Alright, anything else? Brad Ellsworth: I'd like to make one comment because it seems like a lot of discussion over two police vehicles. What I'd like, what causes the problem, what I've seen historically is the going back and forth a year or three or four years of two cars or three cars or four, and then all of the sudden us have to come up with thirteen. And I remember a year when we got thirteen new cars and I think that was under Sheriff Shepherd, maybe. But -- was that under Hamner? Okay, that close, recently. But that's where we get into a problem. What I'd like to see someday and what a lot, most of the other counties do, if it's financially able to be done, is say like Warrick County gets ten cars a year. They know that's going to be built into their budget, they get ten every year and we can work with that. If we could build that in some way where we're all thinking six, eight, ten, whatever it might be, because we are the third largest Sheriff's Department in the state, then we all kind of know there wouldn't be the year of two cars, and then us have to come up and beg for thirteen and that mileage would stay closer and the warranties would stay in longer. So that would be my ultimate goal and Curt and I have talked about that as working out some kind of where we're all thinking as long as we're here, however long that might be, that think eight cars a year or six cars a year and we can probably work with a set number and just not get chopped down to two and that's where we really get into trouble. So that would be -- I'd throw that on the table for us to discuss -- President Wortman: And your maintenance would be down, too, see. Brad Ellsworth: Absolutely, we're spending sometimes $4,000 on a car that's worth $2,000. So it's hard to say. President Wortman: Alright, if no other discussion, I am going to call for a vote. Now, do you want to repeat your motion, Mr. Raben? Councilmember Raben: The motion read 1050-4230 in the amount of $180,000, 1050-4250 in the amount of $30,000 -- $18,000, excuse me, 1050-1510-1050 in the amount of $8,500, 1050-1300-1050 in the amount of $8,500 -- $85,000. President Wortman: And a second, okay. If no other discussion, we're going to call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: No, and in light of kind of the discussion that we had in terms of the number. I think we could very feasibly do eight and have a little cushion Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yeah, I am just going to say Jim is doing his job. I am going to vote. I am for eight also and I'd like to see the Sheriff come back after the first of the year for two more and he made a good point. I think we ought to give him at least ten cars per year. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Well, this will be the fourth vote, it's no. I might as well lay it out there. It's a scary vote to make, but I think we need to order the cars so I will say no. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: No. The vote is what, five to two. (Motion fails 2-5/Councilmembers Smith, Sutton, Bassemier, Hoy and Wortman opposed) Councilmember Smith: Mr. Chairman, I make the motion that we make it $240,000 to include eight cars and hopefully when you come back after the first of the year we can give you some more. Councilmember Hoy: Excuse me, Mr. President, point of order. We have to reopen, don't we? President Wortman: Yeah. Councilmember Hoy: I'll make a motion that we reopen. President Wortman: And you second? Councilmember Smith: I second that. President Wortman: Okay, all those in favor that we reopen raise your right hand. One, two, three, four, five, six. (Motion carried 6-1/Councilmember Raben opposed) President Wortman: Now I'll entertain a motion. Councilmember Smith: I'll make the motion that line item 1050-4230 be set in at $240,000 which would be eight cars. President Wortman: Second? Councilmember Bassemier: Yeah, I am going to second that, but we need to remember the Miscellaneous Equipment, he's going to need lights and stuff for that. Am I correct on that? What should be up that? Councilmember Raben: $24,000. Brad Ellsworth: We're okay with that. The cars that we are able to scrap, we should be able to rob equipment from that to replace, so. Councilmember Sutton: Also, in the motion, the whole section there needs to be addressed because there isn't any money in anything so we need to read through all of the line items there. Councilmember Smith: On the Miscellaneous Equipment you said $24,000? Then with my motion at $240,000, then 1050-4250 $24,000, 1050-1510-1050 $8,500, 1050-1300-1050 Regular Overtime at $85,000. And I haven't added up the total yet, so whatever that totals out to be. Councilmember Bassemier: Before my second, the Sheriff just said that he would be okay with (Inaudible - microphone not turned on). Councilmember Smith: (Inaudible -- microphone not turned on) Councilmember Bassemier: Yeah, because he (Inaudible -- microphone not turned on) because Jim's after everything he can get over there. Councilmember Smith: I have to amend my motion. Brad Ellsworth: The $18,000 was the College, -- Jeff Ahlers: College is $8,500. Councilmember Raben: The $18,000 was the figure I had used based on six cars at $3,000 a piece on equipment. Councilmember Smith: You originally asked for $30,000 and -- Councilmember Bassemier: Jim made it $18,000 and you said you can scrap the other two cars and (inaudible -- microphone not turned on). Brad Ellsworth: From thirty to eighteen? Councilmember Bassemier: That's for six cars and you said you'd scrap -- Eric Williams: Generally, if you replace all the equipment in a new vehicle, it's about $6,000, however, we're probably not going to have to replace the 800 MHZ radio, about $3,000 of that $6,000 cost, so we'll be able to take those out of the old vehicles. The rest of the equipment, especially if we go to Chevrolet products, a lot of the equipment will not fit in the Chevrolet vehicles. Councilmember Smith: Let's leave it at $24,000. Brad Ellsworth: I'd be a little more comfortable with $24,000, but if you want to put $18,000 we'll try to make it work. Councilmember Smith: I made the motion that $24,000, but I will amend my own motion to be $18,000, so maybe we can live with that. Councilmember Bassemier: I'll second that. President Wortman: Okay. Councilmember Lloyd: $351,500 is what I get for the total. President Wortman: Okay, who is next for the roll call. Ed, did you vote? Jeff Ahlers: We're ready for roll call. President Wortman: Okay, call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: No, but I would like to state one thing to both the Sheriff and Chief Deputy. These six votes are counting on that $100,000 repeal, so I hope that comes through as you guys have stated. So if it doesn't, it's going to put us in one hell of a dilemma. Councilmember Smith: I think he's always kept his word. Councilmember Sutton: This would be a good time to serve and protect. Councilmember Bassemier: Yeah, he said he was going to beat me and he kept his word. Councilmember Hoy: I was a little worried when you said you were going to rob the equipment, but I understood what you meant. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes, vote passes. SHERIFF DEPARTMENT REQUESTED APPROVED
(Motion carried 6-1/Councilmember Raben opposed) President Wortman: Before we get started on the Coroner, I am going to take a three minute recess, I've got an emergency to call home. I'll be right back. (Meeting resumed) President Wortman: Okay, I am sorry. We'll get right on into the Coroner please, Mr. Raben. Councilmember Smith: Mr. Chairman, I didn't (Inaudible -- microphone turned off) did we finish it? Councilmember Lloyd: Yeah, I voted yes. Councilmember Smith: Did you? President Wortman: Yeah. C) CORONER Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, the County Coroner, 1070-3640 Diagnostic Studies, $9,000. President Wortman: Got a second? Councilmember Smith: Second. President Wortman: Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. CORONER REQUESTED APPROVED
(Motion unanimously approved 7-0) President Wortman: Before we get into any of the other, the County Clerk, is she here yet? She had to leave. Okay, she wanted to be worked in here. Okay, continue on to the next appropriation. D) PROSECUTOR Councilmember Raben: Prosecutor's Office, 1080-3250 Law Books in the amount of $3,000. President Wortman: Second? Councilmember Smith: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. PROSECUTOR REQUESTED APPROVED
(Motion unanimously approved 7-0) President Wortman: Okay, next, Mr. Raben. Councilmember Raben: 1080-3901 Witness Fees, $10,000. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Sutton: Second. President Wortman: Got a second from Mr. Sutton. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. PROSECUTOR REQUESTED APPROVED
(Motion unanimously approved 7-0) E) UNION TOWNSHIP ASSESSOR President Wortman: Union Township, Mr. Raben. Councilmember Raben: 1170-3140 $600. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Mr. Sutton seconded. Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. UNION TOWNSHIP ASSESSOR REQUESTED
APPROVED
(Motion unanimously approved 7-0) F) COUNTY COMMISSIONERS President Wortman: County Commissioners, Mr. Raben. Councilmember Raben: 1300-3050 $300,000. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Bassemier: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. I know we have a rather large balance this year and Tony, do you have a couple of seconds so you can come up here on this? The $300,000 figure, are we just trying to get close to the midway point on this? What are we using as kind of our reasoning for this amount? Tony Greubel: Our bill from the state is about $650,000 for the boys' school up in Plainfield. After we pay for the local, the monthly local bills for the youth care center of the Southwest Indiana Regional Youth Village, what we'll have -- about $350,000 left over. So to pay that bill we need about a $300,000 balance, so this makes up for the balance. That will be $650,000 then to pay that bill. Councilmember Smith: Okay, but you said you have $350,000 and will this $300,000 make it $650,000? Tony Greubel: Yeah, that will be $650,000 then with this $300,000. Councilmember Smith: And then how much do we owe? Tony Greubel: About $650,000. Councilmember Sutton: Okay, I guess -- Tony Greubel: That is a record, by the way. Councilmember Sutton: I don't know how recent on the appropriation request, your balance at the appropriation, if we were approving $300,000, would be $748,000 on this, so and then the bill was $638,000, so help me out a little bit. We're about close to a $100,000 over what we have a need for here. Tony Greubel: Okay, yeah, that $100,000, part of it was so that, really, there's only about $50,000 because this doesn't include the latest bills that went out for October, so that's about $40,000. There is probably about a $50,000 cushion I put in there so I wouldn't have to come back before the end of the year. If you did want to reduce that, I think by about $50,000 would probably -- Councilmember Sutton: I guess we are bringing out pins today and reusing our cushion. Tony Greubel: I don't think that would necessarily be a bad idea. Councilmember Sutton: And I guess that's what I was thinking, taking about $50,000 off of that. Now who made the motion? Councilmember Raben: I did, but I will certainly withdraw that motion. Councilmember Sutton: Yeah, Mr. Finance Chairman, I would ask that you make an amendment to your motion to reduce that down by $50,000. Councilmember Raben: Who was the co-maker? Ed? President Wortman: Did you second it, Ed? Councilmember Bassemier: Yeah, I don't know if that's a very good idea. We need to pay that, -- Councilmember Smith: We have enough to pay it, Ed. We're going to have that much left over. Tony Greubel: I will say, actually, our latest bill from the Youth Care Center of the Southwest Indiana Regional Youth Village have been below average for September and October, so since I filed this, I probably would have filed it for $250,000 if I had known what the bills were going to be. President Wortman: The Council needs to remember one thing on Patient/Inmate Care, we have been late before. Years ago we were a year behind and they never say anything as long as we pay a little bit at a time. So that's a cushion there so always remember that on that Patient/Inmate Care. Councilmember Raben: Tony, let me clarify one thing. These are bills through September and your projections are through October? Is that correct? Tony Greubel: Through the end of the year. Councilmember Raben: Through the end of the year, because I had spoken with Councilperson Jerrel this morning and she had told me that she thought that this figure was going to be somewhat slim, so I mean, you're sure on what you're saying? Tony Greubel: Yeah, I'm sure on what I am saying. Councilmember Raben: Alright. Councilmember Sutton: (Inaudible -- several speaking at once) Councilmember Smith: Here you're fussing about two police cars and we've got $50,000 here that you don't want to take back. Councilmember Raben: This was a line that I wanted to cut and that's why I spoke. Councilmember Smith: (Inaudible -- microphone not turned on) Councilmember Raben: Okay, but I was told something different and that's why I wanted to verify it. Tony Greubel: Well, Commissioner Jerrel and I should have communicated better this week on this. Councilmember Raben: Okay, -- President Wortman: Does everybody understand the motion -- Councilmember Raben: -- the motion now reads $250,000. President Wortman: $250,000, and then you got a second from Mr. Bassemier. Alright, any more discussion on this? If not, call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Without a doubt, yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. COUNTY COMMISSIONERS REQUESTED
APPROVED
(Motion unanimously approved 7-0) G) SUPERIOR COURT President Wortman: Superior Court. Thank you, Tony. Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, Superior Court: 1370-1803 though 1370-3944 as they appear. President Wortman: Got a second on that? Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. SUPERIOR COURT REQUESTED APPROVED
(Motion unanimously approved 7-0) H) THE CENTRE President Wortman: Okay, now The Centre please, Mr. Raben. Councilmember Raben: The Centre: 1440-1130 through 1440-1920 as they appear. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a second? Do I have a second? Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? No discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. THE CENTRE REQUESTED APPROVED
(Motion unanimously approved 7-0) I) COUNTY COUNCIL President Wortman: Okay, County Council, Mr. Raben. Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, 1480-1971, 1480-1900, 1480-1910 and 1480-1911 for a total of $28,413, and I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Smith: Second. President Wortman: Got a second, several of them. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. COUNTY COUNCIL REQUESTED APPROVED
(Motion unanimously approved 7-0) J) AIRPORT AUTHORITY President Wortman: Airport Authority, Mr. Raben. Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, I'll move approval of 2140-4250 in the amount of $70,800. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Bassemier: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. AIRPORT AUTHORITY REQUESTED APPROVED
(Motion unanimously approved 7-0) K) REASSESSMENT/COUNTY ASSESSOR (Two requests) President Wortman: Okay, County Assessor, Training, Reassessment. Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President. I'll move approval of 2492-1090-3310 in the amount of $4,125. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Smith: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Councilmember Sutton: Is there anyone here from the Assessors Office? President Wortman: Yeah, there she is. Councilmember Sutton: I did have a question on this appropriation. On this request, you guys are intending to train 25 people, is that here local or where is this training going to occur? Tammy Elkins: Yes, it is. Councilmember Sutton: Now that seems like a high number, I guess, of people getting trained. What is the -- what is going on there? Tammy Elkins: It's for 25 Vanderburgh County employees. It is a two and a half day workshop. I think it is at $260 per person and I just tried to include an opportunity for all of this assessing officials to attend this class. It does give us State Tax Board credit for tested hours which is something we need to keep our Level I or Level II designation. Twenty-five, I just tried to include everybody in that number, so if we don't have 25 sign up then there would be money left over. Councilmember Sutton: Is this the last -- to keep that Level I or II accreditation that you have, what period time, do you have to get so much per year or do they give you -- Tammy Elkins: I think you have to get a certain amount per every two years. Councilmember Sutton: Okay, and so are we running pretty close on some of the folk in terms of the training opportunities that would available to them before they lose their accreditation that they may have? Tammy Elkins: I think that they still have another year to gain this training, but this training here is Standards of Professional and -- Practices of Professional Ethics or something, and it would be a good training to have with the reassessment coming up. Councilmember Sutton: I guess the reason why I asked the question is just...it's your office and I am not going to make any judgements per se, but it just seems like there would be some maybe some more in terms of some more hard core, I guess, type of training in terms of what they would specifically do. It seems more kind of general training in terms of attitude and approach rather than actual how you do your job day to day. And I just wondered if there are other training activities that would occur that would be more specific to that rather than just, you know, what my thoughts ought to be so to speak. Tammy Elkins: I know we're offering other classes like that. We're doing Fundamentals of Mass Appraisal class which is a week-long class, and then we have How to Critique an Appraisal Being Used to Challenge the Assessment, so we are having some classes like that but we also feel that this class is necessary. Councilmember Sutton: Thank you. Councilmember Hoy: This is directly connected with reassessment? Tammy Elkins: Yes, we believe so. Councilmember Hoy: (Inaudible -- microphone not turned on) because this training will be here in town, we won't have mileage, we won't have per diem and we won't have hotel/motel bills. It will be a lot less (inaudible). Tammy Elkins: And this class is actually at the Signature School, so it's within walking distance and we were able to obtain the room for free so there isn't a room charge either for that. Councilmember Hoy: (Inaudible -- microphone not turned on) Tammy Elkins: Right. President Wortman: Yeah, it's a win/win situation really for the county. And then the state is their obstacle so far. They're just not -- Councilmember Hoy: (Inaudible -- microphone not turned on) President Wortman: That's right. You said a mouthful, you're right, you're right. They are really creating some problems and if they don't get on the ball that's going to hamper, and of course, we can't blame our local assessors like I always said. So listen, okay, let's see, where was we at? I lost my train. Councilmember Raben: We had a motion and a second. President Wortman: And a second. We haven't voted yet. Okay, young lady, would you call the roll please? Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. COUNTY ASSESSOR REQUESTED APPROVED
(Motion carried 6-1/Councilmember Sutton opposed) President Wortman: Okay, on the second one, the County Assessor, I spoke with Cheryl Musgrave on this and this is down the road, so I told her I would recommend setting that in at zero and she okayed that. So I'll entertain a motion from you, Mr. Raben, to that effect. Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, if you want a motion it will be to move that those accounts be set in at zero. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Yes sir. Okay, and Mr. Hoy seconded. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Councilmember Bassemier: I wonder why they (Inaudible -- microphone not turned on) I mean, we argued over two squad cars and -- Sandie Deig: That's reassessment. Councilmember Bassemier: Oh, reassessment. Okay, I'm sorry. President Wortman: Are you with us, Ed? Councilmember Bassemier: Yeah, I got lost here. I still want to give the Sheriff two cars. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. COUNTY ASSESSOR REQUESTED APPROVED
(Motion unanimously approved 7-0) L) CONVENTION & VISITORS BUREAU President Wortman: Okay, next would be the Convention & Visitors Bureau. Councilmember Raben: I move approval of 3570-3994 in the amount of $16,000. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Mr. Hoy seconded. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Councilmember Sutton: Whoa, whoa. I had a question. President Wortman: Okay, Mr. Sutton has got a question. Councilmember Sutton: You're just quick. I can't get my -- I did like that. Miss Kight, on this request here for $16,000 for an events that took place recently. I had, I guess, a conversation that was either with you or Mr. Dunn either one. It was here within the last couple of weeks, relating to grants per se. Now in terms of this one here, when did they make application for -- Dolli Kight: They applied in June before our June 30th deadline. The committee met in August before our August meeting. Councilmember Sutton: Okay, now since this event has already passed, I guess in the conversation I had with one of the two of you guys, I guess my understanding was that if events had already were going to be passed by the time an appropriation was made, that you guys didn't normally make -- you guys didn't make appropriations or funding to events that would already be passed once the appropriation was made. Dolli Kight: That's just for committee review at our board meeting. That's the way our committee has handled that, that they would not approve any events or any requests that have passed prior to the committee reviewing them or our board voting on them. Councilmember Sutton: So I guess with this one here since it's already passed, I mean, I am trying to maybe get an understanding, -- Dolli Kight: The committee approved it in August. They reviewed the request and approved it in August. Our board voted on it and approved it in August, however, it was a timing issue in getting it in. Our committee, the first opportunity they had to meet to review it was August even though the application was in by the June 30th deadline and that's always been kind of a problem I've had is getting them together, as a volunteer board, getting them together and meeting to review those applications, but they did so before our board meeting and before the event in August. We submitted the request by the September 15th deadline, the appropriation request. Councilmember Sutton: Well, I guess in the conversation I had...I was told, I guess, if it was an event that was going to take place like in September then they would need to have it back in January or February -- Dolli Kight: That is our guidelines that we are recommending for everyone, that's just guidelines, that's all we can offer them. We certainly review them if they come in within the deadline and we were able to -- this was one request we reviewed of many and they all came in by the June 30th deadline; however, the committee did not meet until August. Our guidelines state the recommended dates for applying if you have an event in the fall, we recommend you apply in January. This particular group did not follow that. Councilmember Sutton: This seems to fall outside of -- like I said, what I was told, I guess, seems to fall outside of what your guidelines are. I guess the event, being that it's already taken place, it just seems to fall outside of what I was told and then what the written material would have indicated on this request. President Wortman: Okay, anything else? I've got to recognize Mrs. Smith and Mr. Sutton. They wasn't here last week, they had some pending business, yeah, and that's why they are asking questions, that's their job to. Dolli Kight: I understand. President Wortman: And that's fine. Anybody else got any questions? Okay, if not, call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: No. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. CONVENTION & VISITORS
COMMISSION REQUESTED APPROVED
(Motion carried 6-1/Councilmember Sutton opposed) M) LEVEE DISTRIBUTION President Wortman: Okay, Mr. Kelly Lawrence asked not to be here today, I didn't think it was necessary, so would you take the Levee Distribution Tax, Mr. Raben? Councilmember Raben: Line 4250-4252 in the amount of $40,000. President Wortman: Got a second? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. LEVEE DISTRIBUTION TAX REQUESTED
APPROVED
(Motion unanimously approved 7-0)
A) COUNTY COMMISSIONERS President Wortman: Okay, now the transfers -- repeal of funds, I am sorry, County Commissioners. Councilmember Raben: Line 1300-3604 in the amount of $60,220. I make that in the form of a motion. President Wortman: Do I have a second? Councilmember Lloyd: Second. President Wortman: Got a second from Mr. Lloyd. Any discussion? Call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. COUNTY COMMISSIONERS REQUESTED
APPROVED
(Motion unanimously approved 7-0)
A) COUNTY CLERK President Wortman: Okay, now the transfer requests. Councilmember Raben: Okay, is there anyone from the County Clerk's Office here yet? Okay. On your request, I did have a question on that. Is it okay if I raise a question before we get into it? President Wortman: Yeah, I would say that County Clerk, you might call Mr. Tony Greubel, or no, you on that, can you answer some questions, Mrs. Rust? Sandra Rust: I certainly could. I am Sandra Rust. I work over in the County Clerk's Office for Marsha. Councilmember Raben: Okay. It's my understanding that there has been a hold up or that the pink slips haven't gone before the Commissioners Office, or there has been a delay and I just found that out prior to walking into this room, but does anybody know, is it customary for this body, do we approve a transfer on a request like this if the pink slips -- President Wortman: On your request for transfer, and then what was illustrated was that there was, on the pink slips, there wasn't enough money in there. Is that correct, Mrs Deig? Sandie Deig: The pink (Inaudible -- microphone not turned on) but the request you are asking for today is not really necessary even if the pink slips are approved because...except, well, I'd say two of them are. One of them, you've asked for $700 which isn't sufficient funds with the transfer (Inaudible). Sandra Rust: The two line items that I have requested money for is not the two that are going to be changed. Sandie Deig: Uh, yes they are. Excuse me, I have the pink slips here. Councilmember Smith: Mr. Chairman, the one line item is -- the people are vacant and that's the one that there's a request for $800 and that's a vacant position and the other one at 1010-1330-1010, if...there's already enough money there, so it's really not necessary. Sandra Rust: Not with the transfers, the pink slips, that we have asked for. Councilmember Smith: But they haven't okayed the pink slips and those pink slips is -- I mean, they're cutting people down that's been ten years there, $2,000. And that's the problem because I had a job study done by Scheele and paid them $10,000 and everyone of those jobs was -- there's a job description on everyone of them and these are all being -- there was 39 changes before, there's 20 changes on this and something has got to give because you can't take a person that's been there ten years and give a new person their job and cut them down $2,000. That's bad business. Councilmember Raben: I am sure in all these accounts there's still ample monies in those payroll accounts if we delayed this another 30 days, would there not be? Sandie Deig: There is money. Councilmember Raben: So I would like to defer this at this time and that's a motion. Councilmember Sutton: Second. President Wortman: We've got a motion and a second and I think that's a good thing, too, until we get this ironed out and on this first, on the County Clerk. So any discussion? No more discussion, call the roll please to defer. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. COUNTY CLERK REQUESTED APPROVED
(Motion unanimously approved 7-0) B) CORONER C) PROSECUTOR D) COUNTY COMMISSIONERS E) SUPT. OF COUNTY BUILDINGS F) BURDETTE PARK G) FAMILY & CHILDREN SERVICES H) CIRCUIT COURT MISDEMEANOR OFFENDER I) LEVEE DISTRIBUTION TAX J) AIRPORT AUTHORITY President Wortman: Okay, now, Mr. Raben, proceed. Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, all other transfers as they are listed and I'll make that in the form of a motion. Councilmember Hoy: Second. President Wortman: Okay, any discussion? Call the roll please. Councilmember Sutton: Yeah, on the Prosecutor where you're transferring from the Deputy to Extra Help there, do we have a -- I guess we didn't have a balance listed on the actual transfer, on the actual transfer request that was made. Do we have any idea what that balance is in that account, where we're pulling ten one into that Extra Help but don't know what the balance is there. And, on the transfer request it has a balance from the account that it's being pulled from, but not what it's being transferred to. Sandie Deig: It looks like $3,357 in Extra Help. President Wortman: Now this is to keep that part-time prosecutor. Sandie Deig: Yeah. President Wortman: Okay, Mr. Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yeah, I've got that. Thank you. President Wortman: Alright, anybody else got any discussion on any other items? If not, call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. CORONER REQUESTED APPROVED
PROSECUTOR REQUESTED APPROVED
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS REQUESTED
APPROVED
SUPERINTENDENT OF COUNTY
BUILDINGS REQUESTED APPROVED
BURDETTE PARK REQUESTED APPROVED
FAMILY & CHILDREN REQUESTED
APPROVED
CIRCUIT COURT MISDEMEANOR OFFENDER
REQUESTED APPROVED
LEVEE DISTRIBUTION TAX REQUESTED
APPROVED
AIRPORT AUTHORITY REQUESTED APPROVED
(Motion unanimously approved 7-0) Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, before we go any further, I might ask our Executive Assistant, Sandie, that transfer, that's for a part-time person, right? I mean, that's the one at $12 an hour? Sandie Deig: Yes, it is. Councilmember Raben: Okay, so that person is not actually, that's a person that's going in for his bar exam, correct? Sandie Deig: (Inaudible -- microphone not turned on) Councilmember Raben: Okay, that's
all I had. Thank you.
Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, we've voted and now we're moving to the Amendments to the Salary Ordinance. President Wortman: We've got the repeal and we're going to the Amendments to the Salary Ordinance. Councilmember Raben: Yeah, I just noticed that. We did kind of jump the gun on the repeal earlier. Okay, we have several today, amendments to the salary ordinance. First is the Sheriff's Department and I am going to make these all in one motion. I move that we amend salary line 1050-1510 College Reimbursements and 1050-1300 Regular Overtime as the appropriation was approved today; change the name and the salary line 1050-71-1050 of the Salary Ordinance from Corporal to Patrolman, that adjustment needs to be made in your budget book; Superior Court, amend line 1370-1803 Legal Transfer/Pauper as the appropriation approved today; The Centre, set salary and benefit lines in for accounts 1440-1130, 1440-1140, 144-1150, 1440-1160, 1440-1170, 1440-1750, 1440-1850 as previously approved; County Council, amend the Accrued/Termination Pay for account 1480-1971 as previously approved; County Assessor/Reassessment, amend the Salary Ordinance as previously approved...excuse me, that one, I'll withdraw that one. Prosecutor, amend the Salary Ordinance as the transfer was previously approved, approve paying existing -- this is what I was talking about earlier. This will approve paying an existing employee $12 per hour while waiting for the results of the bar exam, and this request is retroactive to September the first. Burdette Park, amend Salary Ordinance as previously approved; and Circuit Court Misdemeanor Offender, as the transfer was previously approved. And Mr. President, I'll make that in the form of a motion. Councilmember Sutton: Second. President Wortman: Got a second. Any discussion on what he's said? If not, call the roll please. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Smith? Councilmember Smith: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton? Councilmember Sutton: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Councilmember Raben: Yes. Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Lloyd? Councilmember Lloyd: Yes. Teri Lukeman: President Wortman? President Wortman: Yes. (Motion unanimously approved 7-0)
President Wortman: Is there any old business to come before the Council this day? (No old business introduced)
President Wortman: Is there any new business? I will give you a little -- on the new business here, I've been meeting with Judge Bowers and Faye Gibson over at the Old Courthouse, Judge Bowers would like to move over there, and the County Commissioner representative, Tony Greubel, and we've been just discussing things, no decision making, about the expenses and the rooms and decorating and all of that. So I am going to have another meeting probably at the end of the month. So possibly what we'll do is have another, some more Councilmen join me and that way we can get firsthand so everybody understands everything and kind of go over it there. So there's a lot of if and ands, so I think with that in mind, I just want to brief you on it and don't know otherwise much there, so if Mr. Sutton or anybody? Councilmember Sutton: Just one more thing, I had a chance to speak here recently with -- just this week with Sandie Aaron in reference to the new facility, very beautiful facility, The Centre. I know, Mr. President, you've had a chance to take a look at it and I think Councilman Lloyd has been in there, just a fantastic facility and when it gets done, it's going to really be something pretty special. Kind of in conversation with Sandie, she had made mention that their doors would be open to us in terms of some of the space that is open even now and suggested to us, and l said I'd run it by you and see what you thought, that maybe for our next Council meeting, if we would have an interest in holding our next Council meeting over actually in The Centre, that the doors would be open to do that. So I said I would make mention of it to you and I thought it was a great idea and it's a beautiful facility. President Wortman: I appreciate that. We have enough microphones, I am assuming and all that? I know we've got the seating capacity. Councilmember Sutton: Well, out of $36,000,000 I would think we would get at least enough microphones for all of us and enough seating, too. President Wortman: Mr. Hoy? Councilmember Hoy: In connection with that, a couple of county employees have come to me and if we could, Mr. President, if you'd pass this on to or someone to Mrs. Aaron, county employees would like to have a chance to tour the facility, too, when it's open and I know they are going to have a grand opening, but I wanted to mention that. Going back to your courts issue, I do have a personal concern and it's a conflict of interest on that. I am a member of the board of directors of the Repertory People Theater and a couple of gentlemen are here from that theater and we're not going to be addressing that issue today as I understand it, but I would like to, when that comes up to give them a chance to speak to their concerns about whether or not they may or may not have to relocate. President Wortman: Okay. Councilmember Hoy: So I'd like to get that on record. Thank you very much. President Wortman: Thank you, Mr. Hoy, appreciate it. Anybody else got anything to come before this meeting? Councilmember Sutton: On the issue, I didn't know if that is something you might have an interest in, but it would be the first, it would give us an opportunity to be kind of the first body to actually open up the facility and everything. Like I said, it's something I just wanted to run by you and if you have an interest in it, we could proceed forward with that. President Wortman: Yeah, if we do, we'll have to tell Teri Lukeman to advertise it and maybe there won't be too many appropriations over there, see, and if it did get heavy, they might get lost going over there, see. Okay, anybody else to come forward? If not, we're going to adjourn the meeting. Meeting adjourned. (Meeting adjourned at 4:48 p.m.)
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