VANDERBURGH COUNTY COUNCIL
OCTOBER 6, 2010
The Vanderburgh County Council met in session this 6th day of October in room 301 of the Civic Center Complex. The meeting was called to order at 8:32 a.m. by County Council President Russell Lloyd, Jr.
President Lloyd: I’ll go ahead and start the Vanderburgh County Council meeting October 6, 2010. Could we have the attendance roll call please?
COUNCILMEMBER |
PRESENT |
ABSENT |
Councilmember Terry |
X |
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Councilmember Bassemier |
X |
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Councilmember Shetler |
X |
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Councilmember Goebel |
X |
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Councilmember Raben |
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X |
Councilmember Kiefer |
X |
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President Lloyd |
X |
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President Lloyd: For the Pledge of Allegiance, I would ask Councilman Kiefer to lead us. Please stand.
(Pledge of Allegiance was given)
APPROVAL OF MINUTES SEPTEMBER 1, 2010 |
President Lloyd: You have minutes from the budget hearings but you just got those this morning so we haven’t had a chance to review them. You did receive in the mail minutes from the September 1st regular meeting. Is there a motion to approve those?
Councilmember Kiefer: So moved.
President Lloyd: Is there second?
Councilmember Terry: Second.
President Lloyd: Okay, any discussion? All in favor signify by saying aye.
(All Councilmembers voted aye)
President Lloyd: Any opposed?
(No opposing votes were cast)
President Lloyd: Okay, six/zero.
(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)
APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE |
President Lloyd: Item five, appropriation ordinance. I’ll turn that over to the Finance Chair, Mr. Shetler.
ELECTION OFFICE
Councilmember Shetler: The first item on the Election Office, it’s for an appropriation of $15,000, that was to extend the early voting. We had transferred some money in there earlier, this is to appropriate the money now into that account to make that account whole. So any questions?
President Lloyd: We had the Clerk in last week to explain it. Mr. Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: I just wondered if we could reiterate exactly the locations for early voting and the date. I know Susie is not here.
Councilmember Shetler: I don’t have the locations.
President Lloyd: Well, as of right now, the only early voting is the Civic Center. What is it, room 214, in the Election Office. Then next week, October 11th, it starts in the public libraries, and I believe it’s five locations in the libraries: Red Bank, Main, Oaklyn, and I’m not sure which the other ones are.
Councilmember Goebel: I would imagine something would come out in a media release.
President Lloyd: Right. I mean, it’s the same ones that there were in 2008, the same library locations.
Councilmember Goebel: Thank you. I think it’s a great idea.
President Lloyd: Okay.
Councilmember Shetler: Alright, so I put that in the form of a motion to approve.
President Lloyd: Is there a second?
Councilmember Goebel: Second.
President Lloyd: Okay, motion Mr. Shetler, second Mr. Goebel. Roll call vote please.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Terry?
Councilmember Terry: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier?
Councilmember Bassemier: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Kiefer?
Councilmember Kiefer: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: President Lloyd?
President Lloyd: Yes. Motion passes 6-0.
ELECTION OFFICE REQUESTED APPROVED
1210-1170 |
Election Judge |
15,000.00 |
15,000.00 |
Total |
|
15,000.00 |
15,000.00 |
(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)
COOPERATIVE EXTENSION
President Lloyd: Cooperative Extension.
Councilmember Shetler: The next item, and I move for approval on Cooperative Extension, that is a routine request every year, that’s basically from a grant, and I think it’s from St. Mary’s Hospital into that. And it’s for the line item 1900 for FICA for $462 and line item 1990 for Extra Help $6,038, total of $6,500 for the request. So I would make a motion to approve that.
President Lloyd: Is there a second?
Councilmember Terry: Second.
President Lloyd: Okay, motion Mr. Shetler, second Ms. Terry. Any discussion? Roll call vote please.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Terry?
Councilmember Terry: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier?
Councilmember Bassemier: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Kiefer?
Councilmember Kiefer: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: President Lloyd?
President Lloyd: Yes. Motion passes 6-0.
COOPERATIVE EXTENSION REQUESTED APPROVED
1230-1900 |
FICA |
462.00 |
462.00 |
1230-1990 |
Extra Help |
6,038.00 |
6,038.00 |
Total |
|
6,500.00 |
6,500.00 |
(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)
SUPERINTENDENT OF COUNTY BUILDINGS
President Lloyd: Superintendent of County Buildings.
Councilmember Shetler: That was a request, basically, at the old Courthouse, the utilities are running short in the at account, that line item, of about $50,000. They’re hoping that that’s going to take care of them for the rest of the year and I move approval for it.
President Lloyd: Is there a second?
Councilmember Bassemier: Second.
President Lloyd: Motion Mr. Shetler, second Mr. Bassemier. Any discussion? And we had, I guess, Commissioner Tornatta came in and said he thought that would last them the rest of the year. If not, roll call vote please.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Terry?
Councilmember Terry: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier?
Councilmember Bassemier: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Kiefer?
Councilmember Kiefer: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: President Lloyd?
President Lloyd: Yes. Motion passes 6-0.
SUPERINTENDENT OF COUNTY BUILDINGS REQUESTED APPROVED
1310-3200 |
Utilities |
50,000.00 |
50,000.00 |
Total |
|
50,000.00 |
50,000.00 |
(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)
THE CENTRE
President Lloyd: The Centre.
Councilmember Shetler: The Centre is for Union Overtime, the total is $5,355, that breaks down the line item 1850 Union Overtime, $4,500, the FICA related to that of $360, that’s line item 1900, line item 1910, which is the PERF associated with the $4,500 payout, $495, total of $5,355. And I move for approval.
President Lloyd: Is there a second?
Councilmember Goebel: Second.
President Lloyd: Motion Mr. Shetler, second Mr. Goebel. Any discussion? Roll call vote please.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Terry?
Councilmember Terry: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier?
Councilmember Bassemier: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Kiefer?
Councilmember Kiefer: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: President Lloyd?
President Lloyd: Yes. Motion passes 6-0.
THE CENTRE REQUESTED APPROVED
1440-1850 |
Union Overtime |
4,500.00 |
4,500.00 |
1440-1900 |
FICA |
360.00 |
360.00 |
1440-1910 |
PERF |
495.00 |
495.00 |
Total |
|
5,355.00 |
5,355.00 |
(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)
JAIL BOND
President Lloyd: That’s it for general fund, we’ll go to Jail Bond fund appropriation.
Councilmember Shetler: I move approval on this, it’s $2,100, in the line item 3993.
Councilmember Terry: Second.
President Lloyd: Okay, motion Mr. Shetler, second Ms. Terry. I guess we had talked about it last week, that the state wants counties to designate this as a separate line item, so that’s why they’re doing it that way. Other discussion? Roll call vote please.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Terry?
Councilmember Terry: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier?
Councilmember Bassemier: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Kiefer?
Councilmember Kiefer: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: President Lloyd?
President Lloyd: Yes. Motion passes 6-0.
JAIL BOND REQUESTED APPROVED
3661-3993 |
Jail Bond |
2,100.00 |
2,100.00 |
Total |
|
2,100.00 |
2,100.00 |
(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)
TRANSFER REQUESTS |
President Lloyd: We’ll move on to item number six, transfers. Mr. Shetler.
COOPERATIVE EXTENSION AREA PLAN
COMMISSIONERS WEIGHTS & MEASURES
COMMUNITY CORRECTIONS DRUG & ALCOHOL DEFERRAL
LEGAL AID CUMULATIVE BRIDGE
REASSESSMENT/COUNTY ASSESSOR REASSESSMENT/PTABOA
COOPERATIVE EXTENSION (LATE) SUPERIOR COURT (LATE)
Councilmember Shetler: I have a request from Cooperative Extension of $1,600 to move from the 4-H Assistants part-time to Extra Help, that’s line item 1990, to the tune of $1,600. Area Plan Commission, line item 3410 Printing $250 moving to Garage & Motor for $250, that’s line item 2230. The Commissioners, from line item 3000, that’s Bond & Insurance of $64,000, to Unemployment $20,000, that’s line item 1930, line item 3142 Televised Meetings $4,000, that’s why we’re kind of running a little quicker if you noticed today, to kind of cut that cost. Line item 3610 Legal Services $40,000. Weights & Measures, request to take from Miscellaneous Equipment $300, line item 4250, to line item 3141, which is Communications for $300. Community Corrections, from line item 1410 Confinement Officer $10,000 and a Confinement Officer 1400 $4,400, to the following line items: 1850 Union Overtime $10,000, 1530 which is Shift Differential $1,700, and line item 1300 Case Manager of $2,700. Drug & Alcohol Deferral Service from line item 3770 Treatment Cost $520, to line item 4210 Office Furniture of $520. Legal Aid, from line item 3010 in the amount of $182, line item 3450 $300, line item 3600 $182, line item 3680 $237, line item 3700 $18, line item 3730 $200, all to line item 3140 of $205, line item 3250 of $300, line item 3540 to $182, line item 3990 for $237, line item 2600 $195. Cumulative Bridge fund, line item 4417, which is the Baseline Road Bridge of $160,000, going to University Parkway line item 4422 in the same amount of $160,000. Reassessment/County Assessor, from line item 1090-3540 Maintenance Contract of $8,000, going to line item 3130 Travel/Mileage of $5,000, and line item 2600 Office Supplies for $3,000. Reassessment/PTABOA from line item 1180 of $3,000, to line item 2600 Office Supplies of $3,000. We have a late transfer request which is Cooperative Extension...another one from Cooperative Extension from line item 4220 $493, to line item 3200 of $493. Superior Court 3903 in the amount of $3,000, to line items 3250 of $2,000 and line item 3947 of $1,000. I put that in the form of a motion to approve all transfers as read into the –
President Lloyd: Is there a second?
Councilmember Goebel: Second.
President Lloyd: Okay, motion Mr. Shetler, second Mr. Goebel. We just have a lot of transfers at the end of the year, officeholders are looking to change budget items where appropriate, so any other questions or discussion? Roll call vote please.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Terry?
Councilmember Terry: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier?
Councilmember Bassemier: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Kiefer?
Councilmember Kiefer: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: President Lloyd?
President Lloyd: Yes. All transfers pass 6-0.
COOPERATIVE EXTENSION REQUESTED APPROVED
From: 1230-1200-1230 |
4-H Assistants (PT) |
1,600.00 |
1,600.00 |
To: 1230-1990 |
Extra Help |
1,600.00 |
1,600.00 |
AREA PLAN COMMISSION REQUESTED APPROVED
From: 1240-3410 |
Printing |
250.00 |
250.00 |
To: 1240-2230 |
Garage & Motor |
250.00 |
250.00 |
COMMISSIONERS REQUESTED APPROVED
From: 1300-3000 |
Bond & Insurance |
64,000.00 |
64,000.00 |
To: 1300-1930 |
Unemployment |
20,000.00 |
20,000.00 |
1300-3142 |
Televised Meetings |
4,000.00 |
4,000.00 |
1300-3610 |
Legal Services |
40,000.00 |
40,000.00 |
WEIGHTS & MEASURES REQUESTED APPROVED
From: 1302-4250 |
Miscellaneous Equipment |
300.00 |
300.00 |
To: 1302-3141 |
Communications |
300.00 |
300.00 |
COMMUNITY CORRECTIONS REQUESTED APPROVED
From: 1361-1410-1361 |
Confinement Officer |
10,000.00 |
10,000.00 |
1361-1400-1361 |
Confinement Officer |
4,400.00 |
4,400.00 |
To: 1361-1850 |
Union Overtime |
10,000.00 |
10,000.00 |
1361-1530 |
Shift Differential |
1,700.00 |
1,700.00 |
1361-1300-1361 |
Case Manager |
2,700.00 |
2,700.00 |
DRUG & ALCOHOL DEFERRAL SERVICE REQUESTED APPROVED
From: 1371-3770 |
Treatment Cost |
520.00 |
520.00 |
To: 1371-4210 |
Office Furniture |
520.00 |
520.00 |
LEGAL AID REQUESTED APPROVED
From: 1460-3010 |
Other Insurance |
182.00 |
182.00 |
1460-3450 |
Yellow Pages |
300.00 |
300.00 |
1460-3600 |
Rent |
182.00 |
182.00 |
1460-3680 |
Malpractice Insurance |
237.00 |
237.00 |
1460-3700 |
Dues & Subscriptions |
18.00 |
18.00 |
1460-3730 |
Continuing Education |
200.00 |
200.00 |
To: 1460-3140 |
Telephone |
205.00 |
205.00 |
1460-3250 |
Law Books |
300.00 |
300.00 |
1460-3540 |
Maintenance Contract |
182.00 |
182.00 |
1460-3990 |
Miscellaneous |
237.00 |
237.00 |
1460-2600 |
Office Supplies |
195.00 |
195.00 |
CUMULATIVE BRIDGE REQUESTED APPROVED
From: 2030-4417 |
Baseline Road Bridge |
160,000.00 |
160,000.00 |
To: 2030-4422 |
University Parkway |
160,000.00 |
160,000.00 |
REASSESSMENT/CO. ASSESSOR REQUESTED APPROVED
From: 2490-1090-3540 |
Maintenance Contract |
8,000.00 |
8,000.00 |
To: 2490-1090-3130 |
Travel/Mileage |
5,000.00 |
5,000.00 |
2490-1090-2600 |
Office Supplies |
3,000.00 |
3,000.00 |
REASSESSMENT/PTABOA REQUESTED APPROVED
From: 2490-1091-1180 |
PTABOA Member |
3,000.00 |
3,000.00 |
To: 2490-1091-2600 |
Office Supplies |
3,000.00 |
3,000.00 |
COOPERATIVE EXTENSION REQUESTED APPROVED
From: 1230-4220 |
Office Machines |
493.00 |
493.00 |
To: 1230-3200 |
Utilities |
493.00 |
493.00 |
SUPERIOR COURT REQUESTED APPROVED
From: 1370-3903 |
Petit Jurors |
3,000.00 |
3,000.00 |
To: 1370-3250 |
Law Books |
2,000.00 |
2,000.00 |
1370-3947 |
Pauper Transcripts |
1,000.00 |
1,000.00 |
(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)
SUPERIOR COURT DRUG COURT REQUEST TO HIRE GRANT EMPLOYEE |
President Lloyd: Okay, we’ll move on to, there’s nothing for item seven, nothing item eight. Item nine, new business, we had item nine A, Commission on Homelessness gave their report last week, so we’ll go to item nine B, Superior Court/Drug Court, request to hire grant employee.
Robert Pigman: Good morning. I’m here in my Wayne Trockman disguise this morning standing in for the judge, who is unavailable. I think he sent you a written explanation for what he wants. There is a couple of grants available that will enable him to hire an additional case manager for the Drug Court. This would not require any expenditures out of the local county budget. One is a state grant from the Bureau of Justice and Assistance, and the other is from the Department of Corrections and Judge Trockman has the Department of Corrections commitment to fund this position, if it’s necessary, beyond the three years that it’s funded from the Bureau of Justice Assistance, if it comes to that. So no additional outlay from the county’s budget for this request.
President Lloyd: Okay, any questions for Judge Pigman on behalf of Judge Trockman?
Councilmember Bassemier: Make a motion to approve.
President Lloyd: Okay, is there a second?
Councilmember Goebel: Second.
President Lloyd: Okay, motion Mr. Bassemier, second Mr. Goebel. Any other discussion? Roll call vote please.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Terry?
Councilmember Terry: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier?
Councilmember Bassemier: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Kiefer?
Councilmember Kiefer: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: President Lloyd?
President Lloyd: Yes. That’s approved 6-0.
(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)
SUPERIOR COURT REQUEST TO FILL VACANCY |
Brett Niemeier: Good morning.
President Lloyd: We have your letter, probation officer position.
Brett Niemeier: Yes, and I was here just last month having to fill a position, that unfortunately, someone had resigned and now I am still short another probation officer, and I’d like that to be filled.
President Lloyd: Any questions for Judge Niemeier?
Councilmember Shetler: Judge, and I’ve spoken with a couple of the other judges about this, but, I guess, kind of to get it more public and on record, but do we have anyone right now in the probation area that is qualified as a psychologist that’s on-staff or on board?
Brett Niemeier: No, we do not have a psychologist. We do have a part-time master’s level social worker, very part-time.
Councilmember Shetler: Okay. As I understand it, in conversations with some others in law enforcement or connected perhaps with the jail, other judges and stuff, a great deal of the people who come before you guys for doing kind of bad things in our society might be people who might have other kinds of issues that they’re dealing with, but that might be a way of really getting to the heart of the problem if we were able to bring in other people. Is that something that you guys have discussed or talked about at all that people who might be trained in that to be able to help facilitate, get people into the right direction so that they get that necessary help?
Brett Niemeier: Any juvenile that’s locked up in Vanderburgh County starts out being locked up at the Youth Care Center. The Youth Care Center has implemented a new program where they do an evaluation and assessment. It basically, it’s not done by a psychiatrist or a psychologist, but you do have to be trained in giving that assessment. If that assessment determines that there is need for a full evaluation, then that’s brought to the court’s attention and then the court would order that. Now that’s only for kids that are locked up. Kids that are not locked up, they’re just coming through normal process, then it’s the probation officer’s responsibility to determine, based upon the (inaudible) with the parents and the child and looked at the prior history, the mental health history, looking at school documents, for instance, to see whether or not they should be referred out to maybe to Southwest Behavioral or another agency in town to do that assessment.
Councilmember Shetler: Alright, thank you.
President Lloyd: Other questions? Is there a motion to approve?
Councilmember Shetler: So moved.
President Lloyd: Is there a second?
Councilmember Bassemier: Second.
President Lloyd: Okay, motion Mr. Shetler, second, was that Ed? Mr. Bassemier? Okay. Roll call vote please.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Terry?
Councilmember Terry: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier?
Councilmember Bassemier: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Kiefer?
Councilmember Kiefer: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: President Lloyd?
President Lloyd: Yes. Motion passes 6-0.
(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)
SUPERIOR COURT JUVENILE DIVISION REQUEST TO UPGRADE TWO POSITIONS |
President Lloyd: Item D, Superior Court Juvenile Division, request to upgrade two positions recommended by Personnel Administration Committee. And that’s still you.
Brett Niemeier: Still me, yeah.
Councilmember Bassemier: Motion to approve.
President Lloyd: Okay, is there a second?
Councilmember Terry: Second.
President Lloyd: And this was the Salary Administration Committee meeting September 30th, I believe, and it was to reconfigure positions in your office based on a long-time employee passing. Any other questions on that or...roll call vote please.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Terry?
Councilmember Terry: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier?
Councilmember Bassemier: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Kiefer?
Councilmember Kiefer: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: President Lloyd?
President Lloyd: Yes, that’s approved 6-0. Thank you, Judge.
(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)
COUNTY CLERK TRAVEL REQUEST |
President Lloyd: Item nine E, Travel Requests, County Clerk, I guess we’ll take the Finance Chair, Mr. Shetler, on this.
Councilmember Shetler: On the travel requests? I’m sorry. I think the first one is for the County Clerk, I don’t see Susie here. I know she’s requesting two people.
President Lloyd: It’s a state called meeting.
Councilmember Shetler: Yeah, it’s in the middle of December in Indianapolis and it’s a state called meeting. Let’s see, what was the amount? $961, yeah, was the total amount. And I’m going to have to presume it’s in the budget.
Councilmember Kiefer: It looks like they’re sharing the travel arrangements, you know, with one vehicle, so I’ll make a motion that we approve.
President Lloyd: Is there a second?
Councilmember Shetler: Second.
President Lloyd: Okay, motion Mr. Kiefer, second Mr. Shetler. Any discussion? Roll call vote please.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Terry?
Councilmember Terry: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier?
Councilmember Bassemier: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Kiefer?
Councilmember Kiefer: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: President Lloyd?
President Lloyd: Yes. Travel request for the County Clerk passes 6-0.
(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)
COUNTY ASSESSOR TRAVEL REQUESTS |
President Lloyd: County Assessor.
Councilmember Shetler: We have two requests for a state sponsored event for the County Assessor, and it’s in the amount of, I think it’s $1,100 total. Six hundred for one and five hundred for the other, is that correct?
President Lloyd: Going to Greensburg, Indiana.
Councilmember Shetler: Is that correct on that, six hundred for one and five hundred for the other?
Jonathan Weaver: Yeah.
Councilmember Shetler: That’s the way I was understanding it.
Councilmember Kiefer: What’s the difference? I mean, I think the mileage is $164, so it seems like the one would be 164 minus 600, so I guess I’m confused why it’s 500.
Jonathan Weaver: Good morning, Jonathan Weaver, Vanderburgh County Assessor. We can get back to you on that answer. I don’t know off the top of my head.
Councilmember Kiefer: Yeah, it looks like one should be 600 and the other should be like, 436 or, whatever minus.
Jonathan Weaver: Maybe it was rounded, I don’t know.
President Lloyd: Maybe they’re going to have an extra couple meals or something.
Councilmember Kiefer: Okay, well, I’ll just make a motion to adjust it to 600 and then the second one being 436.
President Lloyd: Okay, is there a second? Okay, so the motion is to approve.
Jonathan Weaver: The mileage is estimated so, which is why it’s rounded to 1,100. So I’d appreciate, since it comes out of the Reassessment fund, that it stay.
President Lloyd: Okay, well, right now we’ve got a motion and a second for 600 and 436, which would be $1,036 instead of $1,100. Either of you want to withdraw your motion or we’ll just vote on this and...
Councilmember Kiefer: I guess I’ll withdraw my motion then.
President Lloyd: Withdraw the second?
Councilmember Goebel: Yes.
President Lloyd: Then we need a motion for the original figure.
Councilmember Bassemier: Make a motion to approve.
President Lloyd: Okay, so that will be for the original $1,100. Is there a second?
Councilmember Terry: Second.
President Lloyd: Okay, motion Mr. Bassemier, second Ms. Terry. Any other discussion?
Councilmember Shetler: Let me clarify this. Since we’re not asking for, necessarily specific isn’t nailed down, then are we saying up to six hundred and up to 500? In the motion?
President Lloyd: Yeah. And if they don’t spend that it just stays in that budget.
Councilmember Shetler: Okay, thank you.
President Lloyd: Any other discussion? Roll call vote please.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Terry?
Councilmember Terry: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier?
Councilmember Bassemier: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Kiefer?
Councilmember Kiefer: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: President Lloyd?
President Lloyd: Yes. Passes 6-0.
(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)
HEALTH DEPARTMENT TRAVEL REQUESTS |
President Lloyd: The next is Health Department.
Councilmember Shetler: Alright, the Health Department has several requests: one for $150 to an annual conference. Another one and it is not state sponsored or state called, another is to one that is, and it’s $1,600, there’s three people going to that. Another is a request for $80, and another one is not requesting any additional amount on it, so a total of $1,830 total for the Health department.
President Lloyd: Any questions on Health Department?
Councilmember Bassemier: Is that a motion to approve?
Councilmember Shetler: Yeah, that would be a motion then to approve that.
Councilmember Kiefer: Second.
President Lloyd: The breast feeding is like six days long.
Gary Heck: I need to see which one we’re talking about on the breast feeding one.
President Lloyd: Well, you’ve got three people going.
Gary Heck: I don’t know that I have a copy of it here in front of me. Is that the one that’s in Kentucky?
President Lloyd: No, Jasper, Indiana, Memorial Hospital.
Gary Heck: And is it six days, all at the same time? I’m sorry, I don’t have that one in front of me.
President Lloyd: October 19th, 20th, 21st, and November 16th, 17th, and 18th.
Gary Heck: Right, I think they are two different months, three days apart, that’s correct. And there are peer breast counselors, they are independent contractors and there is a separate grant fund that covers all of those costs.
President Lloyd: Okay, any other questions on Health Department? Is there a motion to approve? Or you made it, is there a second?
Councilmember Kiefer: Second.
President Lloyd: Okay, motion Mr. Shetler, second Mr. Kiefer, roll call vote please.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Terry?
Councilmember Terry: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier?
Councilmember Bassemier: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Kiefer?
Councilmember Kiefer: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: President Lloyd?
President Lloyd: Yes, motion passes 6-0.
(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)
Gary Heck: There is an adult flu clinic tomorrow at the Health Department if anybody is interested. It will be nine dollars, cash or check only. We won’t be doing any of the Medicare reimbursements on this particular one since we’re also doing school immunizations and we’re also doing extended hours on Tuesdays for the Tuesdays in October and November the 9th and the 16th. We won’t be doing them on election night. But we’ll be open from 3 to 7 for all of the school age folks that need their immunizations caught up so they can continue to go to school and not be excluded. We just wanted to make sure you all were aware of that, and we have extended hours for that. And I appreciate it. Thank you.
President Lloyd: And we know there’s quite a few that need that. Mr. Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: Gary, the flu shot, this vaccine this year, that includes H1N1?
Gary Heck: Yes, sir, it does.
Councilmember Goebel: So we don’t have to go through the drama.
Gary Heck: It won’t be a special one this year. I mean, when you get your seasonal flu, it will include the H1N1 as one of the three that’s in there.
Councilmember Goebel: Thank you.
Gary Heck: You’re welcome.
President Lloyd: Okay, that takes care of travel requests.
CENTRAL DISPATCH REQUEST FOR 911 FUNDS |
President Lloyd: Nine F, Central Dispatch request for 911 funds.
Jo Anne Smith: Good morning. In May, I came before this Council to request $50,586. It was later determined that we were unable to use 911 funds for a high efficiency heat pump or an upgrade to our admin telephone system. What I would like to do with those funds, which is $12,438, I’m requesting an additional $1,699 so that we can purchase computers for Central Dispatch with these funds.
Councilmember Bassemier: Make a motion to approve.
President Lloyd: Okay, is there a second?
Councilmember Kiefer: Second.
President Lloyd: Now, this, your request, that’s for the county’s portion?
Jo Anne Smith: My request is for out of the special capital account.
President Lloyd: Right, out of the 911 account.
Jo Anne Smith: Right.
President Lloyd: And if you look at the letter, the balance in that account in April, $761,000 approximately.
Jo Anne Smith: Yeah, and then 785 in July.
President Lloyd: Okay. Any questions about Central Dispatch request? So it’s just an additional on what we had approved earlier in the year. Mr. Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: Not, a question, really, not even about this per se, but a comment, yesterday, listening to the Mayor of Louisville, Mayor Abramson, he pointed out that one of the most difficult challenges of trying to unify the city and county governments was the fact of centralized dispatch, something that we had done a generation ago. So this community is way ahead of it’s time as far as unifying and consolidating many essential services and it’s been a real benefit, I think to public safety in our community for a long time, and you’ve been spear heading that for a long time and so that’s a great credit to what you’ve done. So thank you.
President Lloyd: And I would echo that. Any other questions on the Central Dispatch? Roll call vote please.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Terry?
Councilmember Terry: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier?
Councilmember Bassemier: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Kiefer?
Councilmember Kiefer: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: President Lloyd?
President Lloyd: Yes. The motion passes 6-0. Thank you, Ms. Smith.
(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)
Councilmember Shetler: By the way, on that, I think he mentioned that he spent 75 million dollars in new equipment to try to get that thing updated to bring it into line with what needs to be done today. Just to kind of give you an example of really what we are saving.
Jo Anne Smith: And that’s a small chunk.
President Lloyd: That’s pretty amazing.
COUNTY ASSESSOR REQUEST FOR AN INCREASE IN PART-TIME PAY |
President Lloyd: Item nine G, County Assessor, part-time salaries, request for an increase in part-time pay. Any questions on this?
Councilmember Kiefer: Yeah, Mr. President. I noticed you laid on our desks, it looks like something from Marion County, perhaps, had a list of salaries.
Jonathan Weaver: Yeah, what we did, you’ll see, what we gave you, and I thank you for your time, we’re asking for a part-time pay increase for our part-timers from $8.50 an hour to $10.50 an hour. We have a comparison here of what they do in counties, some counties across the state, and then if you look at Marion County, it says see salary ordinance provided, so that’s what their salary ordinance is. So I’ll take any questions. We’re having a hard time retaining talent. You know, the economy is bad, people do take the job at $8.50 an hour but then once we get them trained, you know, then they find another job that pays more, so I’m just asking for your cooperation then to bump it up $2.00 an hour, then I think that would be more attractive in keeping the talent. By the time you train them on the assessing software and get their knowledge up, thus far, we’ve had three people basically, since, May or June, leave.
Councilmember Shetler: The comparison chart, you know, this shows, this is interesting because it shows other salaries from other departments, and it looks like you know, if you look at what Indianapolis pays, you know, they pay up to $154,000 in some areas like in, you know, obviously this is probably not a good comparison because their salary ranges are so much higher in every category.
Jonathan Weaver: You’ll see the other counties where we’re looking at comparable counties like Elkhart County, and also Porter County. Elkhart starts at $14 an hour and Porter County starts at $10, and then up to $20 an hour. So we feel we’re kind of low, that’s why I’m asking for your assistance with that, it’s going to come out of Reassessment fund, to retain and attract talent.
Councilmember Kiefer: But the only concern I have is that then we’re going to get a flood, the flood gates are going to open up and every department is going to come because like, I could see the County Clerk, you know, everything she does is critically important because, you know, she’s dealing with the courts, and then I could see the Treasurer saying well, you know, hey we have to get the tax bills out, so on and so forth, so I guess my main concern would be, you know, if we do this for your department then it somewhat opens the flood gates for every department to come in. But I’m open to hear what other Councilmembers say.
Jonathan Weaver: I understand your concerns and being that we’re in the middle of this Reassessment, when we reach out to people and they’re saying well, there are two unemployed people and they’re saying their unemployment benefits are more than $8.50 an hour and they’ve done field work in the past, that kind of hurts us. But I’m open for suggestions.
Councilmember Bassemier: And that is coming out of the Reassessment Fund?
Jonathan Weaver: That would be, yes.
Councilmember Bassemier: And the other departments would not be coming out of Reassessment funds that you’re talking about, Mr. Kiefer.
Councilmember Kiefer: No, I agree with that, but I mean, I can see them come to us and say, hey look, you’re paying $10.50 for part-time because you felt like it was critical, well, I could hear the County Clerk saying hey, everything we do is critical. You know, when we’re dealing with courts trying to get things out, you know, then I think what’s to happen is we’re probably going to be adjusting everybody to $10.50, but that’s just my opinion.
Councilmember Bassemier: Mr. Weaver, how long will this go on, the Reassessment?
Jonathan Weaver: The Reassessment ends March 1st of 2012. So if that’s a concern of yours, Mr. Kiefer, then maybe –
Councilmember Kiefer: I think the main concern is just setting a precedent for, you know, every other department when we’re really, you know, we’re scrutinizing every
new employee, we’re scrutinizing whether or not people can re-hire after somebody quits, I mean, so this somewhat would go, you know, we give a one and a half percent pay raise because we’re concerned, so to me, this somewhat conflicts with what we’re trying to accomplish. And I agree with you times are tough and you may be struggling to find necessary help, but I’ve got to think with this economy there would be people out there willing to work for the current pay rate.
President Lloyd: Mr. Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: I understand Mr. Kiefer’s argument and somewhat I agree. However, you’re in a different situation, I think with the level of expertise these people must have to input the information. And if you have that information go into reassessment, you’re going to have to pay a lot more money in salaries just to try to undo mistakes. I think maybe, I think you’re shooting a little bit high, but I do think since it comes out of Reassessment, it’s not coming out of the general fund, the money is there already, and that’s what the money is there for, then if you’re having trouble retaining for $8.50 an hour, people make more on unemployment, we’re kind of shooting ourselves in the foot. So I’m kind of inclined to think, with the number of staff members cut, that’s he’s working not to fill full-time jobs, but to add part-time, that we might want to consider this.
Jonathan Weaver: And we ceased the contract this year with a vendor, so that saved $98,000 out of the Reassessment fund, and we’re not contracting out the Reassessment, which is costing some counties seven figures. So I’m saving you a lot and the taxpayers a lot in the long run. So I’m just asking for your assistance to get some bodies in there because the down time between those that resigned and move on and hiring and finding someone to come in, you know, hurts us, too, that couple weeks.
Councilmember Kiefer: Have you calculated, what would be the total additional expense to the reassessment fund, about two dollars an hour increase?
Jonathan Weaver: Uh, I can get details for you.
President Lloyd: I’m looking at Exhibit H in the salary ordinance and you’ve got County Clerk part time $8.50; other ones, part time $8.00; Auditor part time $8.50; Recorder part time $8.50. Now you do have some that are higher, the Sheriff, you’ve got some at $9.00 and $9.50. Coroner, if you recall, we raised some of hers because, but that’s a little bit more specialized, $8.75. And I think we raised her to –
Councilmember Kiefer: $8.75.
President Lloyd: I think we raised them to ten at the Coroner, but that’s in, you know, dealing with some specialized areas. Mr. Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: Yeah, could you maybe just spell out specifically what responsibilities and duties that they would be, what they’re going to be charged with?
Jonathan Weaver: A lot of data – Glen, you want to fill them in?
Glen Koob: Glen Koob, supervisor real estate. Reassessment is, you hire field people to go out in the field, data collect anything that is new, hasn’t been picked up. The state orders this, it’s a state law. We don’t do this by choice. We still have to continue to do our work that we do for 2011 pay ‘12 that the new houses that are built, that’s a different year that we have to put in before we put in the Reassessment, so we’re basically running two data bases. Then, whenever they go out in the field, they data collect, they come back in. We have people, right now we’re on a Monday, Wednesday and Friday that they go out in the field and Tuesday and Thursday, the people that go out, they are data entering, but they can’t get it all done. The other day we had two go out in the field and they picked up 73 houses that day. So, that’s pretty good. That’s two people going out, that’s clicking it off pretty well.
Councilmember Shetler: Okay, so basically, the skill sets are someone that can hold the one end of the tape measure, and someone who reads it off and says how much the length of that house is?
Glen Koob: Yes, the skill set, that’s demeaning, a little bit, the job. The skill set is that you measure the house, one person can go around and measure the house at times unless they have angles. And if you notice these big mansions that they have, that takes them about an hour to measure. We measured one the other day and it took them eight hours to put that thing in, it was over 7,000 square feet. The other, while the one person can measure by their selves, at times, it all depends on if it’s a ranch house, a rectangular house, the other person, in the meantime, is talking to the owner of the residence, if they’re at home, and in the area they are now, there are a lot of people that are home. So, yeah, they’re going out, they’re measuring, they’re talking with the owner, they’re asking about the inside, they’re asking about any kind of additions they’ve made and that information, they ask about everything on the property record card.
Councilmember Shetler: Let me just point out something for the other Councilmembers is that the Reassessment fund is paid by the taxpayers. I mean, it is not a pot of money that is put up by the Henderson County people and we can just pop off of it and take whatever we want. Our taxpayers right here in Vanderburgh County are the ones who are supplying that fund, and so it is tax dollars that’s going into it. The second concern that I have, though, is somewhat along the lines of Mr. Kiefer, and that is, as I’m looking at some of the other positions, I know some of the part-time we have in the legal, whether it be in the Prosecutor’s office or in the judiciary, many of those people are paid $10 or less, and we’re asking for skill sets here that are fairly basic as far as measuring and data entry and data taking. I mean, it’s not really complex, you know, intricate type of stuff that we’re dealing with here. I would think that in a bad economy when people, 12 - 13% unemployment and here it’s much lower than that, thank goodness, people are looking for jobs, though, that would make it easier to fill as opposed to more difficult to fill. To me, it’s just, it is probably, because of the economy, the wrong time to really look at increasing this, particularly a 25% increase, which is what we’re dealing with here, and I think that’s excessive.
Glen Koob: We do have professionals that call us and we do have Realtors that call us, we do have tax home owners that call us and ask us about our information, to interpret it on the website. The other thing is that when we go out to measure, I forgot what I was going to tell you now besides that, I think that, yes, the taxpayers also would like to have their property correct. I think they would like to have that property – Mr. Bassemier knows that, he’s talked with us before – they would like to have their property correctly assessed. And you tell me what the difference is and this may seem silly to you, but it’s not to a taxpayer. What’s the difference between a concrete pad and a canopy, and what’s the difference between a concrete pad and a roof extension. I can tell you, it’s about $300 difference now in assessment. There is other things that are bigger. What’s the difference between a hot tub and a spa? What’s the difference between just a hot tub sitting outside with no plumbing connected that you fill up or however, that’s not connected to plumbing? You know? You have to know those things and we have this manual that we have to read, and those data collectors have to know. If they ask me something in the office, the people that are data entering, I say, is your manual on your desk? Have you read it?
Councilmember Shetler: Let me ask you this. You’re sending them out in groups of two –
Glen Koob: Yes.
Councilmember Shetler: Both of those are new, rookie-type people that are going out?
Glen Koob: No, they’re not. No, we do not –
Councilmember Shetler: So one of them is an experienced, skilled person that’s full-time?
Glen Koob: And they usually are the ones that are talking to the home owner.
Councilmember Shetler: Okay, --
Glen Koob: Because homeowners do –
Councilmember Shetler: So the other person, that’s the one you’re requesting a 25% increase for?
Glen Koob: Yes.
Councilmember Shetler: And they’re not the one that’s actually in charge of that team –
Glen Koob: No, they’re getting a salary, the ones that are in charge, but the person that’s with them, they’re the ones that are quitting because they’re only making $8.50 an hour and they are out there with that person that’s in charge, doing the same things except sometimes they don’t have to talk to the taxpayer.
Councilmember Shetler: But they’re not the ones that have to do the calculations or anything else. They’re the ones that are just basically assisting and helping out, so their skill sets are not even the same as the full-time –
Glen Koob: What those people do when they come back into the office, we call it pre-picking, which means we go into Pictometry, we look at a property and we see if it’s assessed correctly so that they go out there, they can look. They do that, they also do sales disclosures, they also, – by sales disclosures, we look at the sales disclosures to see what the house sold for, we do the cost, which is the measuring, we also, if there is an apartment in there, we do the income. There’s three approaches to value that we have to look at every time we do a property. Not all three on every property, but there’s three approaches that are have to use according to state law.
Councilmember Shetler: But you have your full-time person that’s on that team that’s able to do that.
Glen Koob: Yeah, but while that full-time person is out in the field, they can’t data enter and they can’t do anything, they’re doing the field work. These people are doing double jobs. They’re out in the field data collecting, they come in on Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays, they come in on Tuesdays and Thursdays, they stay in the office and they do their data entry work. And the person that’s out in the field, their assistant, we are giving them other jobs to do. One girl today is, we’re doing Center Township right now, she’s in there and she’s going through Pictometry and looking at the style of the house to see if anything has been torn down or added. That’s how they can tell, sometimes people don’t get permits, you know, so that’s how they can tell the field people to make it go faster for them, okay, this is what this house has. Yes, it still has this, according to the 2009 Pictometry. When you go out in the field, you walk around that house, is that still there or have they added a new thing? Have they added a new shed, have they added a new garage? You know, it’s not as simple as what you’re trying to make it. It is very detailed work. And for us to train somebody, this is what the bad part is, for us to have to keep retraining and taking our time to retrain these people every time, you know, because they’re not making enough money and they find a new job or a better paying job, that’s what’s doing, it’s just wasting our time. We would like to retain some people and it’s not like we’re going to pay them that forever. You know, and I know the people, you know. If we didn’t do our job to do the assessing or the data collecting or that, then look at the permits, whatever, I guess we could shut down the whole county because if we don’t do our job, we’re the ones that initiate the assessment, initiate the money in the county, right? So if we don’t do our job, then nobody gets paid. That’s the way I look at it.
Councilmember Kiefer: Can I interrupt? Glen, I have a question or maybe this is for Jonathan. How did you come up with, was it like you had employees tell you, hey, I’m leaving because if I was making 10.50 an hour I would stay or I mean, how did you come up with the 10.50, I guess? I mean, would $9.00 do it or, I mean, it’s hard for us as, you know, to go back as being the fiduciary body to go back to our constituents and say, yeah, we gave them a 25% increase. I need to know whether that was an arbitrary number you just kind of plucked out and said, you know, if we made it high enough we could attract them. I mean, how did you come up with 10.50, I guess, and what is the turnover rate? Is it 90% of the people you hire, they leave within a month or is it 10%? I mean, what’s the turnover rate?
Jonathan Weaver: It’s been, as I said, we’ve had three people leave since May or June. If you look at the spreadsheet I gave you and look at LaPorte County, you know, we have 81,000 parcels in Vanderburgh County. LaPorte, they’re at 70,000 parcels, starts at $10 an hour. Tippecanoe County with 67,000 parcels starts at $10 an hour, and then we have a, let’s see, Porter County, there, at 78,000 parcels $10 an hour. So we’re just trying to be competitive.
Councilmember Kiefer: I guess my question is, I mean, how do you know $10 is the number versus $9? I mean, have you talked, I mean, have you done surveys with exit interviews with your employees as they’re leaving and the reason they say we’re quitting is it because a) they got the dream job. They went to college, they got their degree, and they finally got that job. Or are they quitting because, hey, if I made a dollar more an hour, I would have stayed?
Jonathan Weaver: We’re seeing people leave for two and three dollars more an hour. So.
Councilmember Kiefer: Into full-time jobs or into part-time jobs?
Jonathan Weaver: Into other part-time jobs.
President Lloyd: Are some of those Work One employees?
Jonathan Weaver: None of these that we have on part-time right now, no. Are you talking about Welfare to Work or Work One?
President Lloyd: Welfare to Work.
Jonathan Weaver: Welfare to Work, nobody right now that we’ve hired at this second.
President Lloyd: But you had one of your employees say, I can make more money on unemployment?
Jonathan Weaver: Oh yeah.
President Lloyd: If you –
Jonathan Weaver: They weren’t an employee, they were a prospective employee.
President Lloyd: You know, I’m still looking at Exhibit H here, Prosecutor IV-D $8.50 an hour, these are all part-time. Election Office $8.50 an hour. Coop Extension is $7.25. County Commissioners part-time $8.00 an hour. Superintendent of County Buildings part-time $8 an hour. Circuit Court interns, typists $8 an hour. Community Corrections part time, $7.25 an hour. Community Corrections 136Y $8.50 an hour. I mean, it goes on and on. County Highway, part-time summer $7.25. County Engineer, one intern $8 an hour. And some of them are higher, like Health Department, you’ve got some that are lead clerk, $10.28 an hour, well, that’s specialized. Prosecutor, legal intern is $10 an hour, but those are law school students. I’m just concerned that, like Councilman Kiefer indicated, we’re going to have a flood, especially people that are paid part-time at $7.25. And I guess I would alert Council on your motion, you could either make a motion for $10.50 an hour or less depending upon what you want to do.
Councilmember Bassemier: Mr. Kiefer, what would you suggest? You’re kind of torn here.
Councilmember Kiefer: Well, I would like for them to go back and re-evaluate what is something a little bit more reasonable. I don’t want to arbitrarily just say, hey, let’s pay them $9 or $8.75, I’d like for them to go back and maybe examine this a little bit closer and see, you know, I just don’t want to do 25%, I know that’s too much for me.
Councilmember Bassemier: He’s in need of part-time help right away, aren’t you, Mr. Weaver? You need it right away.
Jonathan Weaver: You got rid of two people yesterday. The average on that spreadsheet I gave you, the range is $9.95 an hour to $16.02 an hour on that spreadsheet I gave you of the counties scattered throughout the state.
Councilmember Bassemier: Would a dollar more on the hour right now pacify you or help you out to make up your mind today? I know I’m in favor of –
Councilmember Kiefer: Well, one thing is, I think he could hire, if he feels comfortable with these people, hire them at the $8.50, let’s examine, you know, I’d like to look at this a little bit closer, you know, maybe come back at the next meeting and then if we need to bump it up at that point, you know, I’d be willing to –
Councilmember Bassemier: That’s thirty days away and they’re on a time frame here. Can we give them what we approved the Coroner’s office for, $9.50 an hour, would you, I mean, I’m not negotiating here for the Assessor’s office, but he needs some help. He can’t keep any help.
Councilmember Shetler: There’s a couple of things, I think, at play. First of all, when you’re looking at labor rates, you’re looking in your specific market area, you’re not, I mean, to look at 300 miles away, Porter County, that’s on the border of Michigan where you’re dealing with a whole lot higher industrial rates and stuff than what we’re dealing with here, I mean, to me, that’s not anything under our consideration. The other thing is, the skill sets that are required at a given job. I’m not seeing those skill sets versus what we’re getting in other departments and other areas being significantly higher or more necessary than what we’re seeing in other areas. I have real difficulty trying to justify anything at this point in time unless we can see a little bit clearer cut skill sets involved here. And if we’re dealing with two people on a line when in many instances in the past, we used to have one man teams, but we’re having two man teams now and we’ve got a lot of innovation and stuff –
Jonathan Weaver: (Inaudible)
Councilmember Shetler: Excuse me, a lot of innovation that we’ve paid a lot of good money for, the Pictometry, to aid and assist these people and then we have a full-time person going out there that’s supposed to have the skill sets and the other person there is kind of an aid, as an assistant. It doesn’t require the same sets of skills that you need for that lead person. I’m having a real difficult time understanding and to lose two or three, I don’t know, school started back up, other things came, I don’t know specifically the reasons on it, but, and I don’t know how many total people you’re talking about, 20 or so?
Jonathan Weaver: Well, we’re looking, one of them, for example, that just left, when you’re paying $8.50 an hour, 39 hours a week, and they’re making less than $800 a month, and this is a college grad with real estate experience, you know, we’re looking for real estate experience. Another woman in the office has her real estate license and she’s looking to move on, too. They can’t live on less than $800 a month if they’re devoting 39 hours a week to the county and to my office.
Councilmember Shetler: I understand that, but perhaps we don’t need for that second person, and that’s the point, perhaps we don’t need a college educated person. Perhaps we don’t need a licensed real estate person to actually be doing that at this – I mean, it doesn’t sound to me that the skill sets require that. It sounds like perhaps one of the people on that lead time may need that, but you’re telling me you have a full time qualified person that’s leading that up and then you’re putting a part-time with that full-time person. If that’s the case, we don’t need two well educated people to be out measuring a house and doing the same kind of things.
Glen Koob: Councilman Shetler, where the skill set comes in is when they come back into the office and we have to teach them how to data enter it into ProVal. Yes, you’re right, and you know what, you’re welcome to come out and just view them for a half a day, if you’d like, to see what they do, and then when they come back into the office on Tuesdays – and we do have other people helping them because they can’t be out in the field for three days and for two days come back and get that all data entered, you know, but we would be glad for you to come out and just see what they do, you know, to see how they go out into that field and go out into a neighborhood when it’s dogs chasing them, whether it’s taxpayers telling them to get off their property. They go through a lot of stuff out there and I –
Councilmember Shetler: I don’t deny that they endure an awful lot in their job. I’m not denying that. The point is, the skill sets that are required for the specific part-time position that we’re talking about, and I’m sorry, I don’t mean this in any kind of a rude way or anything, but so far, I’m just not convinced that we need to have all the part-time people college educated. I’m just not convinced that the skill sets require that at this point in time.
Glen Koob: I don’t think they all need to be probably educated, but I think they need to be able to feed their selves and get a roof over their head. For $8.50 an hour, I couldn’t do it.
Councilmember Shetler: But that isn’t the question.
Glen Koob: Yeah, it is, you just said.
Councilmember Shetler: No, it really isn’t.
Councilmember Kiefer: I think like in our job study, you know, when we review full-time jobs, we don’t look at personalities, whether or not it’s enough money to keep food on the table, we look at the skill sets and what the qualifications are for that job and then we determine what the market rate is based upon, you know, guidance from Tim Deisher, you know, but this is part-time so we’re, obviously, don’t look at this in the Job Study. But, you know, right now I’d like to move off the subject, you know, unless there’s a motion for it to pass.
President Lloyd: Ms. Terry hadn’t had a chance to talk yet.
Councilmember Terry: Just had a question. What are the qualifications, the minimum qualifications for this position?
Jonathan Weaver: Well, you’ll be amazed how many people don’t have computer skills so we need someone that’s very proficient and can learn quickly and get into that assessing software and get into Excel, get into Access, and a lot of that comes from fresh college grads, that have that knowledge and can pick it up quickly.
President Lloyd: Mr. Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: Well, I think that we’re not making much progress here. I do think that there, Jonathan may have some merit for a pay raise. I don’t believe it should be as much as it is, at least higher than any other part timers, so I think maybe we should revisit that and maybe get a better idea of how many part timers you actually have that would be affected and how much that would affect the Reassessment budget. I do want to say that his office has been cut from 52 full-time with the consolidation to 39, and he’s not asking for full time, full benefits, if I’m not mistaken. Is that the right amount from 2006? But we have made some technologically advanced moves with the new programs and things you’ve implemented. I don’t think $10.50 is a go, though.
President Lloyd: You know, you had, I almost hate to ask this, but you had an employee that was arrested for transporting drugs. Was that person a part-timer?
Jonathan Weaver: Yes.
President Lloyd: Okay, so now was that one of the ones you lost or is she still on the payroll?
Jonathan Weaver: We lost her, yes. And this is the Welfare to Work program is a great program and this doesn’t put a mark on that program, we’re still interviewing candidates and bringing them in, which, you know, that’s not costing you guys any money out of the general fund or the reassessment fund.
Councilmember Kiefer: Jonathan, I’m not opposed to reviewing this, I just don’t feel comfortable voting today, but I’d be glad to, you know, let’s take a look at this, go back, re-evaluate, you know, like Councilman Goebel said, you know, we don’t want this to be, obviously, the highest paying part-time job in the county, either, you know, but we’d be open to hearing it back at another meeting in the future, but I’m not prepared to vote on anything today.
President Lloyd: Okay, is there anybody that wants to make a motion to raise the part time salaries?
Councilmember Bassemier: I’ll make a motion just to get it on the floor and see what happens. I think it’s going to be three/three and it’s going to be, since we don’t have seven –
President Lloyd: Okay, how much?
Councilmember Bassemier: Uh, I’d like to make it $9.50 an hour, anyway, and that’s getting a starting point.
President Lloyd: Okay, so your motion is to raise the County Assessor part-time to $9.50 an hour?
Councilmember Bassemier: $9.50 an hour.
President Lloyd: Is there a second? Okay, motion dies for lack of a second. Thank you.
Jonathan Weaver: Thanks.
AMENDMENTS TO SALARY ORDINANCE |
President Lloyd: Item ten, Amendments to Salary Ordinance, Mr. Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: They’re being passed out as we speak. I will read...first of all for the Centre, amend Salary Ordinance line 1440-1850 Union Overtime as we approved. Community Corrections, amend Salary Ordinance line 1361-1850 Union Overtime as transfer approved. Amend the Salary Ordinance line 1361-1530 Shift Differential as transfer approved. Amend the Salary Ordinance line 1361-1300 Case Manager as transfer approved. Current employee is a Union PAT IV-Step V with an annual salary of 41,000 and that was not correct in the budget book because it did not include the salary step. The Drug & Alcohol Deferral Service, the corrected job title for 1371-1150, that’s to be amended to Secretary/Bookkeeper. This change, we recommended that in 1997 and it was upgraded in ‘98. Superior Court Drug Court, amend the Salary Ordinance for Superior Court Drug Court to allow hiring a counselor. That is a PAT V with a starting salary of $37,205. That is fully funded by a grant position. Superior Court Juvenile, amend the Salary Ordinance line 1370-1402 to approve replacing a Probation Officer and that is a PAT V starting at $37,205. After six months, that salary does go to $38,993. Superior Court Juvenile Division, amend the Salary Ordinance line 1370-1390 to permanently change the position title to Probation Officer with a PAT V classification, and that was recommended by the Personnel Administration Committee. Superior Court Juvenile Division, amend Salary Ordinance line 1370-1500 to reclassify position title to Administrative Supervisor PAT VI, the current employee is a PAT VI with a Step 7, and an annual salary of $62,178. That will be effective October 18, 2010. And Superior Court Juvenile Division, amend salary ordinance line 1370-1490 to reclassify the position to Supervisor of Intake and Dispositional Staff PAT VI. That will be with a Step 7 and an annual salary of $62,178. I put that in the form of a motion.
President Lloyd: Okay, motion on the Salary Ordinance changes. Is there a second?
Councilmember Kiefer: Second.
President Lloyd: Okay, motion Mr. Shetler, second Mr. Kiefer, any discussion? Roll call vote please.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Terry?
Councilmember Terry: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier?
Councilmember Bassemier: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?
Councilmember Shetler: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?
Councilmember Goebel: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Kiefer?
Councilmember Kiefer: Yes.
Teri Lukeman: President Lloyd?
President Lloyd: Yes. The Salary Ordinance amendments pass 6-0.
(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)
PUBLIC COMMENT |
President Lloyd: Public Comment. Is there anybody from the public that wants to speak about the Council meeting? We’re going to have another meeting on the township budgets, but if you want to speak on the Council business. Any takers?
Councilmember Bassemier: Mr. President, can I say something?
President Lloyd: Yes, Mr. Bassemier?
Councilmember Bassemier: Just a point of interest, I’m looking at the Salary Ordinance amendments, and the first one on there, Cooperative Extension is $9.50 per hour for part-time help, it’s just –
Councilmember Kiefer: I think that’s grant money, though.
Councilmember Bassemier: That’s still taxpayers’ dollars.
Councilmember Kiefer: No, no, --
Councilmember Bassemier: In a way, it is.
Councilmember Shetler: No, it comes from St. Mary’s Hospital. It’s an annual grant that they give every year.
Councilmember Bassemier: Okay.
Councilmember Shetler: We’ve done this for several years, Ed.
Councilmember Bassemier: I stand corrected. But anyway, it’s $9.50 an hour, that’s just what we turned down. So just a point of interest.
President Lloyd: Anyone from the public? Is there a motion to adjourn?
Councilmember Shetler: So moved.
President Lloyd: Is there a second?
Councilmember Kiefer: Second.
President Lloyd: All in favor, signify by saying aye.
(All Councilmembers voted aye)
President Lloyd: We are adjourned. Five minutes, and then we’ll start the townships.
(There being no further business to come before the Council, the meeting was adjourned at 9:35 a.m.)
VANDERBURGH COUNTY COUNCIL
Councilmember Joe Kiefer Councilmember Mike Goebel
Councilmember Stephanie Terry
Recorded and transcribed by Teri Lukeman.