VANDERBURGH COUNTY COUNCIL

MINUTES

JULY 2, 2008


The Vanderburgh County Council met in session this 2nd day of July in room 301 of the Civic Center Complex. The meeting was called to order at 8:34 a.m. by Council President Marsha Abell.


President Abell: Good morning. I’d like to call to order the July 2nd meeting of the Vanderburgh County Council. Attendance roll call please.


COUNCILMEMBER

PRESENT

ABSENT

Councilmember Sutton

X

 

Councilmember Leader

 

X

Councilmember Shetler

X

 

Councilmember Goebel

X

 

Councilmember Raben

X

 

Councilmember Winnecke

X

 

President Abell

X

 


President Abell: Mr. Raben, would you lead us in the Pledge?


(Pledge of Allegiance was given)


APPROVAL OF JUNE 4, 2008 MINUTES


President Abell: I would entertain a motion to approve the minutes of the June 4th meeting.


Councilmember Raben: So moved.


President Abell: Do I hear a second?


Councilmember Winnecke: Second.


President Abell: Roll call vote please.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?


Councilmember Sutton: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?


Councilmember Shetler: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?


Councilmember Goebel: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?


Councilmember Raben: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?


Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: President Abell?


President Abell: Yes.


(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)


President Abell: And for the Appropriation Ordinance I will turn the meeting over to the Finance Chairman, Mr. Raben.


APPROPRIATION REQUESTS


JAIL


Councilmember Raben: Okay, thank you, Madam President. We’re going to get out of turn for just a bit. We’re going to skip over the Treasurer and come back to that. So the first on the agenda under Jail for Civilian Uniform Allowance in the amount of $532, I’ll move approval.


Councilmember Sutton: Second.


President Abell: Questions? Roll call vote.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?


Councilmember Sutton: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?


Councilmember Shetler: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?


Councilmember Goebel: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?


Councilmember Raben: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?


Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: President Abell?


President Abell: Yes.

 

JAIL                                                                       REQUESTED       APPROVED

1051-1751

Civ.Uniform Allowance

532.00

532.00

Total

 

532.00

532.00

(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)


AREA PLAN


Councilmember Raben: Okay, next, Area Plan, Legal Services, 1240-3610 in the amount of $20,000. I’ll move approval.


Councilmember Winnecke: Second.


President Abell: Questions? I just have one comment. I received a letter and I suspect some of you did from Mr. Harrison about the breakdown of which ones of these were city and which ones were county. It appears the county has most of them. Roll call vote please.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?


Councilmember Sutton: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?


Councilmember Shetler: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?


Councilmember Goebel: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?


Councilmember Raben: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?


Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: President Abell?


President Abell: Yes.

 

AREA PLAN                                                          REQUESTED       APPROVED

1240-3610

Legal Services

20,000.00

20,000.00

Total

 

20,000.00

20,000.00

(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)


COUNTY COMMISSIONERS


Councilmember Raben: County Commissioners, 1300-1930 Unemployment in the amount of $30,000, I’ll move approval.


Councilmember Sutton: Second.


President Abell: Questions? Roll call vote.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?


Councilmember Sutton: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?


Councilmember Shetler: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?


Councilmember Goebel: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?


Councilmember Raben: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?


Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: President Abell?


President Abell: Yes.

 

COUNTY COMMISSIONERS                                REQUESTED       APPROVED

1300-1930

Unemployment

30,000.00

30,000.00

Total

 

30,000.00

30,000.00

(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)


SUPERIOR COURT


Councilmember Raben: Superior Court, 1370-3722 in the amount of 15,000, I’ll move approval.


Councilmember Winnecke: Second.


President Abell: Questions? Roll call vote.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?


Councilmember Sutton: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?


Councilmember Shetler: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?


Councilmember Goebel: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?


Councilmember Raben: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?


Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: President Abell?


President Abell: Yes.

 

SUPERIOR COURT                                               REQUESTED       APPROVED

1370-3722

Medical Expense & Drug Testing of Juveniles

15,000.00

15,000.00

Total

 

15,000.00

15,000.00

(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)


REASSESSMENT/TREASURER


Councilmember Raben: We will address the Reassessment Fund – well, let’s go ahead and take that. County Treasurer 2490-1030-1990 Extra Help in the amount of $2,000, I’ll move approval.


Councilmember Winnecke: Second.


President Abell: Questions? Roll call vote.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?


Councilmember Sutton: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?


Councilmember Shetler: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?


Councilmember Goebel: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?


Councilmember Raben: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?


Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: President Abell?


President Abell: Yes.

 

TREASURER                                                         REQUESTED       APPROVED

2490-1030-1990

Extra Help

2,000.00

2,000.00

Total

 

2,000.00

2,000.00

(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)




REASSESSMENT/PIGEON TOWNSHIP ASSESSOR


Councilmember Raben: Okay, Madam President, that concludes the General Fund requests and Reassessment. We’ll move into Transfers. First, --


Councilmember Sutton: Did you get the Pigeon Township –


Councilmember Raben: Oh, excuse me. I’m sorry. Pigeon Township Assessor, Travel & Mileage in the amount of $2,000. I’ll move approval.


Councilmember Sutton: Second.


President Abell: Questions? Roll call vote.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?


Councilmember Sutton: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?


Councilmember Shetler: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?


Councilmember Goebel: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?


Councilmember Raben: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?


Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: President Abell?


President Abell: Yes.

 

PIGEON TOWNSHIP ASSESSOR                        REQUESTED       APPROVED

2490-1150-3130

Travel/Mileage

2,000.00

2,000.00

Total

 

2,000.00

2,000.00

(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)


TRANSFER REQUESTS

 

SHERIFF                                                      LEGAL AID

CUMULATIVE BRIDGE                               REASSESS/PIGEON

TOURISM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT        COUNTY ASSESSOR (LATE)

CUMULATIVE BRIDGE (LATE)                  REASSESS/ASSESSOR (LATE)


Councilmember Raben: Okay, now for the transfers. And we also have some late transfers for Cum Bridge and for County Assessor. I might call attention to the County Assessor late transfer. We will have to follow this up next month with an appropriation request to put money back in those first three lines. But this will pay all the Real Estate Deputies along with the first three individuals through the payroll that extends through August 22nd – well, August 8 through the 22nd. Again, in August we’ll have to re-appropriate these funds. And with that, if no one has any questions on any of the transfers including the late transfers, I will move approval.

Councilmember Goebel: Second.


President Abell: Does anyone have any questions? Does everybody want to take a minute just to look at these transfers on the Assessor? This is the first time we’ve seen them. Any questions? Roll call vote.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?


Councilmember Sutton: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?


Councilmember Shetler: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?


Councilmember Goebel: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?


Councilmember Raben: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?


Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: President Abell?


President Abell: Yes.

 

SHERIFF                                                                REQUESTED       APPROVED

From:

1050-1130-0005


Captain


12,271.00


12,271.00

1050-1130-0017

Deputy

7,530.00

7,530.00

1050-1130-0028

Deputy Sheriff

21,619.00

21,619.00

1050-1130-0064

Deputy Sheriff

5,700.00

5,700.00

1050-1130-0074

Deputy Sheriff

607.00

607.00

1050-1130-0082

Deputy Sheriff

20,600.00

20,600.00

1050-1130-0084

Deputy Sheriff

10,600.00

10,600.00

1050-1130-0089

Deputy Sheriff

15,600.00

15,600.00

1050-1130-0090

Deputy Sheriff

583.00

583.00

(Table continued next page)

1050-1130-0093

Deputy Sheriff

200.00

200.00

1050-1130-0094

Deputy Sheriff

225.00

225.00

1050-1130-0104

Deputy Sheriff

9,399.00

9,399.00

To:

1050-1971


Accrued Payments


104,934.00


104,934.00

 

LEGAL AID                                                            REQUESTED       APPROVED

From:

1460-3140


Telephone


2,148.00


2,148.00

To:

1460-3600


Rent


2,148.00


2,148.00

 

CUMULATIVE BRIDGE                                         REQUESTED       APPROVED

From:

2030-4420


Hogue Road Culvert #587


14,000.00


14,000.00

To:

2030-3930


Other Contractual


14,000.00


14,000.00

 

REASSESSMENT/PIGEON TWP. ASSESSOR    REQUESTED       APPROVED

From:

2490-1150-3540


Maintenance Contract


670.00


670.00

To:

2490-1150-3410


Printing


670.00


670.00

 

TOURISM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT                  REQUESTED       APPROVED

From:

3600-4073


Sports Complex


325,000.00


325,000.00

To:

3600-4070


Burdette Park-BMX


325,000.00


325,000.00

 

COUNTY ASSESSOR                                           REQUESTED       APPROVED

From:

1090-1110-1090


Assessor


23,305.00


23,305.00

1090-1120-1090

Chief Deputy

10,863.00

10,863.00

1090-1140-1090

Inheritance Tax Dep.

9,987.00

9,987.00

To:

1090-1370-1090


Real Estate Deputy


5,855.00


5,855.00

1090-1380-1090

Real Estate Deputy

5,700.00

5,700.00

1090-1390-1090

Real Estate Deputy

4,260.00

4,260.00

1090-1400-1090

Real Estate Deputy

3,939.00

3,939.00

(Table continued next page)


1090-1410-1090

Real Estate Deputy

3,552.00

3,552.00

1090-1420-1090

Real Estate Deputy

3,815.00

3,815.00

1090-1430-1090

Real Estate Deputy

3,948.00

3,948.00

1090-1440-1090

Real Estate Deputy

2,436.00

2,436.00

1090-1450-1090

Real Estate Deputy

663.00

663.00

1090-1320-1090

Real Estate Deputy

663.00

663.00

1090-1340-1090

Real Estate Deputy

1,350.00

1,350.00

1090-1350-1090

Real Estate Deputy

4,272.00

4,272.00

1090-1360-1090

Real Estate Deputy

3,702.00

3,702.00

 

CUMULATIVE BRIDGE                                         REQUESTED       APPROVED

From:

2030-1150-2030


Laborer


5,636.00


5,636.00

To:

2030-1970

Temporary Replacement


5,636.00


5,636.00

 

REASSESSMENT/COUNTY ASSESSOR            REQUESTED       APPROVED

From:

2490-1090-3540


Maintenance Contract


3,775.00


3,775.00

To:

2490-1090-3600


Rent


2,475.00


2,475.00

2490-1090-3140

Telephone

300.00

300.00

2490-1090-3200

Utilities

1,000.00

1,000.00

(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)


APPROPRIATION REQUESTS (CONTINUED)


TREASURER


Councilmember Raben: And that concludes – well, are we ready to go back to the Treasurer?


Z Tuley: (Inaudible – comments not made from the microphone)


Councilmember Raben: A request was made – what the holdup is with regards to the Treasurer, there was a request made Wednesday with the Building Authority to break out the structure that enclosed the vault and the new counter separate from the whole enchilada that was requested. And there might be a drop in communications somewhere, but Dave Rector is on vacation this week, so we don’t have that breakdown. So without that, at this time, Madam President, I’m going to move that we defer this request until next month.


President Abell: Do I have a second?


Councilmember Shetler: Second.


President Abell: Any questions about that? Roll call vote.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?


Councilmember Sutton: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?


Councilmember Shetler: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?


Councilmember Goebel: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?


Councilmember Raben: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?


Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: President Abell?


President Abell: Yes.

 

TREASURER                                                         REQUESTED       APPROVED

1030-4210

Office Furniture

100,000.00

Deferred

Total

 

100,000.00

Deferred

(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)


AMENDMENTS TO SALARY ORDINANCE


Councilmember Raben: Okay, so that concludes the appropriations and transfers, we’ll move on to Amendments to the Salary Ordinance. Everyone has been given a copy of all the amendments; there are several account numbers along with position titles. Rather than read all these into the record, Madam President, if you are okay with this, I’m going to simply ask that this document be made part of the minutes and move for approval.


President Abell: Do I hear a second?


Councilmember Winnecke: Second.


President Abell: Roll call vote.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?


Councilmember Sutton: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?


Councilmember Shetler: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?


Councilmember Goebel: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?


Councilmember Raben: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?


Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: President Abell?


President Abell: Yes.


(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)


RESOLUTION CONFIRMING THE DECLARATION OF AN ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION AREA FOR REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT VANDERBURGH INDUSTRIAL PARK LOT 12/WBK, LLC


President Abell: Is that all you had, Mr. Raben? Under old business, resolution of the Vanderburgh County Council confirming the declaration of an economic revitalization area for real property located at the Vanderburgh Industrial Park, Lot 12.


Councilmember Winnecke: Madam President, I move that we confirm the previously adopted resolution.


President Abell: Do I hear a second?


Councilmember Raben: Second.


President Abell: Roll call vote.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?


Councilmember Sutton: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?


Councilmember Shetler: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?


Councilmember Goebel: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?


Councilmember Raben: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?


Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: President Abell?


President Abell: Yes.


(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)


RESOLUTION CONFIRMING THE DECLARATION OF AN

ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION AREA FOR ACQUISITION

 OF MANUFACTURING EQUIPMENT LOCATED AT VANDERBURGH INDUSTRIAL PARK LOT 12/GRAHAM PACKAGING COMPANY, LP


President Abell: The next one is a resolution of the Vanderburgh County Council confirming the declaration of the economic revitalization area for acquisition of manufacturing equipment located at Vanderburgh Industrial Park, Lot 12.


Councilmember Winnecke: Madam President, I move that we confirm the previously adopted resolution.


President Abell: Do I hear a second?


Councilmember Raben: Second.


President Abell: Roll call vote.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?


Councilmember Sutton: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?


Councilmember Shetler: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?


Councilmember Goebel: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?


Councilmember Raben: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?


Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: President Abell?


President Abell: Yes.


(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)


President Abell: Mr. Beck?


Evan Beck: Just one closing comment. Representatives from Graham Packaging could not be here today. They asked me to express their thanks in you all’s assistance in providing these incentives to help bring this project to Vanderburgh County. And our thanks to you, as well. Thank you very much.


President Abell: Is there any further old business?


RESOLUTION PROVIDING PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF THE

ISSUANCE OF BONDS FOR THE PURPOSE OF REFUNDING

EXISTING BONDS ORIGINALLY ISSUED TO FINANCE CERTAIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FACILITIES


President Abell: New business, a resolution of the County Council of Vanderburgh County, Indiana providing preliminary approval of the issuance of bonds for the purpose of refunding existing bonds originally issued to finance certain economic development facilities. Mr. Ziemer.


Ted Ziemer: Thank you, Madam President. I’m Ted Ziemer, the attorney for the Vanderburgh County Economic Development Commission and the Vanderburgh County Commissioners. I won’t go through this in detail because we did last Wednesday. Just to give you, I think, some new information, you’ll recall the 1998 bonds were issued in the amount of $1,750,000, and the interest rate on those bonds currently is 4.62%. The 1999 bonds were issued in the amount of $3,250,000, and the interest rate currently on those bonds is 4.41%. And those bonds are held by Regents Bank. It is proposed that if the refunding bond issue is approved, the new bond issue, the refunding bond issue in the amount of $3,135,000, which is the balance remaining on the 1998 and 1999 issues, will be 3.25%, well below the 4.62 and the 4.41, and that’s estimated to save the diocese approximately $100,000 over the remaining seven year term of the bonds. There was a meeting of the Economic Development Commission yesterday afternoon and I want to tender to the Council a certified copy of those minutes certified by Steve Guebler, the secretary of the Vanderburgh County Economic Development Commission. And attached to that is an original signed copy of the resolution adopted by the Economic Development Commission giving preliminary approval to the issuance of these bonds. I have with me today, Scott Stratman, the attorney for the Catholic Diocese of Evansville with respect to this bond issue, Don Rupprecht from the Diocese, Jeff Bone from Old National Bank, and if you have any questions, myself or any of those individuals would be happy to answer them.


President Abell: Anyone have a question? Okay, I think that’s it, Mr. Ziemer. Thank you.


Ted Ziemer: Thank you.


Councilmember Winnecke: Madam President, if it pleases the chair, I would move that we approve the resolution providing the preliminary approval of the bonds for the purpose of refunding the existing bonds, and the resolution that’s before us.


President Abell: Do I hear a second?


Councilmember Shetler: I’ll second.


President Abell: Roll call vote.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?


Councilmember Sutton: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?


Councilmember Shetler: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?


Councilmember Goebel: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?


Councilmember Raben: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?


Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: President Abell?


President Abell: Yes.


(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)


President Abell: Announcements under new business – thank you, Mr. Ziemer. Thank you, gentlemen. Mr. Raben, did you want to – its up to you.


RESOLUTION CONCERNING BMX BUILDING MANAGEMENT, AVAILABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY


Councilmember Raben: I can. At this point it might be tough to, I’ll pull a phrase from our legal counsel, put the toothpaste back in the tube, but with the transfers, along with that was the sports complex, the BMX Complex at Burdette Park. If anyone had issues with that, that did not get discussed, I’ll be happy to move to reopen it. I am kind of asking if everybody is okay with the transfers as they were voted.


President Abell: Mr. Goebel, did you have a question?


Councilmember Goebel: I have a comment. Can this body mandate that that building be accessible to other groups?


President Abell: Who holds the title? We don’t hold title? Do the Commissioners hold the title? I thought the BMX was going to hold the title. They’re going to lease it. Okay, Mr. Ahlers –


Councilmember Raben: It will be part of the Burdette complex, so –


Jeff Ahlers: Yeah, I mean, the Commissioners, the County owns the building, the Commissioners would control that. Now, if its leased out, the Commissioners would need to make that a condition of the lease. I mean, if they lease out the facility in total, they need to make sure to make that a requirement, probably. I mean, I don’t know how the lease is going to be structured, whether they’re just leasing it on certain days or whether it’s a total, 100% control lease. If that’s the case, there would probably need to be a provision in there excepting out these things. If they’re just leasing it on certain dates, and the county then retains the control to lease it to other people or let other people use it, then the Commissioners would make that call. That, and who they delegate the authority to at Burdette Park.


Councilmember Raben: Maybe, would a simple resolution voted on today as an overture to the Commissioners, requesting that that facility be made available to other outside parties? I mean, would that help in regards to what we’re talking about? I mean, –


Jeff Ahlers: Yeah, I mean, you can make a resolution. It won’t be binding on, you know, the Commissioners in terms of them negotiating a lease or whatever, but you can certainly do that.


Councilmember Goebel: I would like to see a resolution made, at least a statement made from this group. I think this should be a community – it is a community building, but it should be open to other volunteer groups in the community to have meetings and so forth, if its not being used by BMX first.


Jeff Ahlers: Do you want to make a verbal resolution?


Councilmember Goebel: I could make a verbal but I might defer to Mr. Winnecke if he can come up with the best verbiage.


Councilmember Winnecke: Maybe Mr. Ahlers could. No, we could – I would move that this body accept a resolution that encourages the Vanderburgh County Commissioners to ensure that future lease arrangements with the BMX organization also provide that that facility be open to anyone who has the ability to lease it from the county in an appropriate manner.


Councilmember Goebel: That’s fine.


Councilmember Raben: I’ll second that motion.


President Abell: We could take a roll call vote.


Councilmember Raben: I’ll second that motion.


President Abell: We could take a roll call vote on it and rather than have a resolution typed up, we could have it made part of the minutes and send the minutes over to the Commissioners if that’s sufficient with everyone. Is that okay with you, Mr. Sutton? You’re looking dubious over there.


Councilmember Sutton: I guess I’m – do we need a resolution, I guess, to this effect? I mean, we’re not the contract-making body. I mean, if anything, its more of a recommendation as opposed to a requirement or mandate per se. We are the financing body, so obviously we’ve got some leverage from that standpoint. Have there been any discussions with the Commissioners on this topic about this issue? I don’t see anyone.


Councilmember Raben: Well, I shouldn’t – that’s not necessarily correct, either. If you recall, last month, when we discussed this at length at this very same meeting, that was conveyed by a few of us or several of us that whether the facility would be made available particularly at that time, and had the second floor for other rentals. And I think it was pretty much conveyed to us that, yeah, they would allow for that, but I don’t think this hurts. I mean, it kind of tells them what we expect and, you know, whether or not they follow it or its different, but...a vote for a simple overture or resolution really, you know, I don’t think it hurts us.


Councilmember Goebel: I do have one other question as far as the actual building. If this building will be accessible, will it be – I think we discussed this last time at BMX, the building itself, outside that fenced area, so they still have security for their track, but the building itself for other groups be accessible without getting into the track area. And I think Mr. Kunkel, at that point, said that building could be built outside of the fenced area so they can protect the track but let the building be available to other groups.


President Abell: I would think that we probably should leave that decision up to the people that provide the security at Burdette Park. That BMX field is not right at Burdette Park and I would think we might end up with some vandalism. I mean, its at Burdette Park but its not within where there’s a lot of people around. Its on up further and I would be a little concerned about vandalism to that building. But that’s my opinion, and –


Councilmember Goebel: Maybe I should just express this to Mr. Craig and Mr. Kunkel.


President Abell: Okay. We’ll send them a copy of these minutes and they will see our concerns and maybe they’ll make their decisions based on that.


Councilmember Sutton: Well, and that’s why I think an overture and some discussions with the Commissioners maybe with Burdette Park officials there. Perhaps, maybe these are just pretty much nonissues that can be – I didn’t sense that when we did have them here that there was resistence from them. I think some of the ideas were new that we were suggesting, they hadn’t considered those things before, but that’s where I think even making that open to other – if that is locked in – within the gate, then that puts additional responsibility upon the park to then have to open it up if there is another group and all the other things. Perhaps maybe that’s not much of an issue either, maybe we’re making more of it than it is. But I think, clearly, if the Commissioners are listening to some of our concerns, they’d want to proceed forward with it. So, I mean, who is the liaison for the Commissioners?


President Abell: I don’t know. I am not.


Councilmember Winnecke: I’ll talk to them.


Councilmember Sutton: If you could. I mean, not to say – I guess I see the resolution, I mean, I think it’s a good idea but it doesn’t really have the teeth, I guess, since we don’t contractually obligate that group. So –


President Abell: Well, I have it on the floor, so I’ve got to do something with it.


Councilmember Goebel: I say we vote.


Councilmember Shetler: I guess a little bit of – just the point that I’m thinking is if somehow, it can all be managed through the management of the Burdette Park officials, so that if three or four different groups would come to have meetings and they could just tell them here’s what we have available and that they’re actually kind of guiding and directing that and here are the restrictions to each one of those facilities or what would work out best for your group.


Councilmember Goebel: As they would with any other building.


Councilmember Shetler: As they would with anything else. And I think that ought to be a part of, somehow, the resolution there that we recommend that this be a part of the Burdette facilities and managed over – that they do the overseeing of that property like they do any other facility on the grounds.


Councilmember Goebel: I agree.


Councilmember Shetler: Not trying to get this long winded and drawn out here, but –


Councilmember Winnecke: So I could amend my – I would amend my motion to include that the BMX facility be – pardon me? The BMX building be managed as part of the rest of the Burdette facilities and be offered...


Councilmember Goebel: To other volunteer groups or parties.


Councilmember Winnecke: Okay. There you go.


Councilmember Shetler: I mean, I think our management ought to have keys to the place. I mean, I think they ought to be able to have access to it and be able to routinely check on it, just like they would anything else that’s on those grounds and so, that’s all part of it. Thanks.


President Abell: Jim, will you amend your second?


Councilmember Raben: I will amend my second.


President Abell: Okay. Mr. Craig has come back. Maybe he can answer some questions. Do you want Mr. Craig up here?


Councilmember Raben: Yes, please.


President Abell: Okay, come on up, Steve. We have some questions about the BMX building. We sort of reopened it.


Steve Craig: Okay. When they had passed the transfers we thought that...


Councilmember Raben: We’ve reopened, and one of the questions that we have is will you oversee the building itself as far as making it available for other outside parties when its not in use for BMX events?


Steve Craig: Yes, I will.


Councilmember Raben: Okay.


Councilmember Goebel: Will the construction be – or the building itself be maybe outside or right next to the fenced area to protect the BMX but still accessible to other groups when –


Steve Craig: They will have to open a gate to get to it if, you know, other groups do use it for meetings and stuff like that. We will remove part of the fence right now and the building will go outside the perimeter of the existing fence.


Councilmember Goebel: Can it remain there?


Steve Craig: The whole building?


Councilmember Goebel: Yes, for other groups, otherwise, you’re going to expose the track itself to the other groups that may be using that facility.


Steve Craig: We can look at putting the chain length fence where it will make it not accessible to it if that needs to be. I mean, the fence is what makes it accessible and not accessible to the public. And a fence would be easy to change and put in different areas.


Councilmember Goebel: Yeah, I think Mr. Kunkel addressed that last time. I think the building itself should be outside of the fence so other groups can use but still provide the fence security at all times for the BMX track.


Steve Craig: Well, I think that’s very possible. I don’t think there would be a problem with it. Like I said, fences can be moved and put to where you need them.


Councilmember Raben: In short, we don’t want anything that will prohibit anybody outside of the BMX organization from renting that property. So –


Steve Craig: I don’t think that’s a problem.


Councilmember Raben: So if you understand that. Okay.


Councilmember Sutton: So is a resolution needed? I mean, if he seems –


Councilmember Raben: Let’s go ahead because we’re not (inaudible) the lease. Let’s go ahead and pass it. The motion is on the floor, let’s go ahead and take a vote.


Councilmember Sutton: Can we repeat that resolution because we’ve had some changes, amendments, additions, subtractions, so what did we last leave it? Teri, were you writing all this down? Sandie?


Councilmember Raben: Do you want me to recite the resolution as I recall seconding? The resolution basically stated that we were requesting that the Vanderburgh County Commissioners, along with Burdette Park, through the lease agreement within the BMX organization, would allow for outside parties outside of BMX to use the facility when there’s not an event taking place and that the building and structure itself would be accessible to all other parties. I think that is the motion. And that the facility itself be controlled and managed by the management at Burdette Park.


Councilmember Sutton: And placed outside of the fence.


Councilmember Raben: And placed outside of the fence, yes. And I am the seconder.


President Abell: Yeah, he –


Councilmember Raben: Does the maker agree with that?


Councilmember Winnecke: That was certainly the essence of my motion.


President Abell: Any other questions?


Councilmember Sutton: Well, not a question, more of a comment. If we can get a response back maybe next month from the Commissioners to this resolution. If we could bring this back to know what their comments are on this.


President Abell: Okay. But we still have it on the floor and we’re going to vote on it now. Okay. Any other questions? Okay, roll call vote.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?


Councilmember Sutton: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Shetler?


Councilmember Shetler: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Goebel?


Councilmember Goebel: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?


Councilmember Raben: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?


Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.


Teri Lukeman: President Abell?


President Abell: Yes.


(Motion unanimously approved 6-0)


President Abell: Thank you, Mr. Craig.


Steve Craig: I have a question. Are they allowed to proceed with building this?


President Abell: Yes.


Councilmember Raben: We transferred the money.


Steve Craig: I knew the money was transferred, but then after we left I wasn’t real sure what happened.


President Abell: Well, we sort of went out of order.


Councilmember Raben: I think you have a clear understanding of what our wishes and our visions and our –


Steve Craig: I understand what you did today. Everything is fine, so they can go ahead and proceed. Thank you very much.


President Abell: Okay. Thank you. There is a note on the bottom of the agenda that all of you, I think, have seen, that there will be a public hearing July the 29th in room 301 between the city and the county on our budgets. I also want to inform you that there will be a date set up when the Association of Indiana Counties and the Association of Cities and Towns representative on House Bill 1001, will be here to talk to a joint meeting of the City Council and County Council, and I will advise you of that time, and Mr Ahlers, of course. I have asked Mr. Jarboe, the City Council, to give me some dates that he thinks would be good for them. I haven’t gotten those so we’ll just have to play with what we get from Indianapolis. Any day that’s terrible for anybody here?


Councilmember Sutton: How soon are you looking at doing this?


President Abell: I think we’re going to have to do it before budget hearings because they’re going to be explaining to us how we’re going to hear these other entities present their budgets, like the library board and the others.


Councilmember Goebel: Are you suggesting during the month of July?


President Abell: I am.


Councilmember Goebel: That’s good.


President Abell: I am suggesting during the month of July. Is that okay? Alright, I will let all of you know by e-mail. If there is no further business –


Councilmember Raben: Is it possible to have it in the evening?


President Abell: Have it in the evening? I would suspect that its probably possible to have it in the evening. The City Council has their meetings in the evening, so they probably don’t care. Is that okay with everybody else? Yes, and we’ll let Mrs. Deig know so she can reserve this room for us. Any other business to come before the Council? We stand adjourned.


(There being no further business to come before the Council, the meeting was adjourned at 9:05 a.m.)






VANDERBURGH COUNTY COUNCIL





        President Marsha Abell               Vice President Lloyd Winnecke



 

       Councilmember Jim Raben           Councilmember Mike Goebel




        Councilmember Tom Shetler         Councilmember Royce Sutton




        Councilmember Donna Leader


 


Recorded and transcribed by Teri Lukeman.