VANDERBURGH COUNTY COUNCIL

MINUTES

JANUARY 7, 2004

The Vanderburgh County Council met in session this 7^th day of January, 2004 in room 301 of the Civic Center Complex. The meeting was called to order at 3:35 p.m. by Vanderburgh County Auditor Bill Fluty .

Bill Fluty: Good afternoon. Welcome to the Council meeting. Eric, could you open the meeting please?

(Meeting opened by Vanderburgh County Chief Deputy Sheriff Eric Williams)

Bill Fluty: Thank you. Madam Secretary, could I have a roll call?

Bill Fluty: Thank you. Could you please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance?

(Pledge of Allegiance was given)

Bill Fluty: The Chair would now entertain motions for the president of the Vanderburgh County Council.

Councilmember Winnecke: Mr. President, at this time I would nominate Ed Bassemier.

Councilmember Wortman: I would like to send that motion.

Bill Fluty: Madam Secretary, could I have a roll call vote please?

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Tornatta?

Councilmember Tornatta: No.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?

Councilmember Sutton: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Bassemier?

Councilmember Bassemier: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?

Councilmember Raben: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy?

Councilmember Hoy: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?

Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Wortman?

Councilmember Wortman: Yes.

(Motion carried 6-1/Councilmember Tornatta opposed)

Bill Fluty: Thank you. Congratulations, Ed.

Councilmember Bassemier: I’d like to thank everyone for your vote of confidence. Appreciate it. I’ll get organized here.

President Bassemier: The Chair would now entertain a motion for vice president.

Councilmember Raben: Mr. President, I’ll move for Councilman Winnecke.

President Bassemier: I have a motion. Do I have a second?

Councilmember Wortman: I’ll second it.

President Bassemier: Okay. Roll call vote please.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Tornatta?

Councilmember Tornatta: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?

Councilmember Sutton: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?

Councilmember Raben: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy?

Councilmember Hoy: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?

Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Wortman?

Councilmember Wortman: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: President Bassemier?

President Bassemier: Yes.

(Motion unanimously approved 7-0)

President Bassemier: Thank you. Okay, at this time we need to make our legal appointment and I’d like to recommend to reappoint Jeff Ahlers as our Council attorney and would entertain a motion to that effect please.

Councilmember Raben: I’d like to make a motion to continue with Jeff Ahlers as our legal representation.

Councilmember Winnecke: Second.

President Bassemier: I have a second. Roll call vote please.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Tornatta?

Councilmember Tornatta: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?

Councilmember Sutton: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben? Yes.

Councilmember Raben: Yes

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy?

Councilmember Hoy: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?

Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Wortman?

Councilmember Wortman: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: President Bassemier?

President Bassemier: Yes.

(Motion unanimously approved 7-0)

President Bassemier: And, as president, I’d like to appoint Councilman Curt Wortman as our personnel chairman and Councilman Jim Raben as our finance chairman.

President Bassemier: Now I need a motion for the approval of the minutes of the November 26^th, 2003 special meeting and also December the 3^rd, 2003 regular meeting. Need a motion and a second.

Councilmember Wortman: I make that motion for approval.

Councilmember Raben: I’ll second.

President Bassemier: And Mr. Raben seconded. Roll call vote please.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Tornatta?

Councilmember Tornatta: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?

Councilmember Sutton: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?

Councilmember Raben: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy?

Councilmember Hoy: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?

Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Wortman?

Councilmember Wortman: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: President Bassemier?

President Bassemier: Yes. It passes 7-0.

(Motion unanimously approved 7-0)

President Bassemier: Okay, now we’ll get into our appropriation ordinance and I will now turn it over to our finance chairman, Mr. Raben.

REASSESSMENT/AUDITOR

Councilmember Raben: Okay, first on the agenda is Reassessment for County Auditor account 2490-1020-1990 and account 2490-1020-1900 FICA for a total of $10,066. I’d like to make that in the form of a motion.

Councilmember Sutton: Second.

President Bassemier: Got a motion and a second. Roll call vote please.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Tornatta?

Councilmember Tornatta: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?

Councilmember Sutton: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?

Councilmember Raben: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy?

Councilmember Hoy: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?

Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Wortman?

Councilmember Wortman: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: President Bassemier?

President Bassemier: Yes.

REASSESSMENT/AUDITOR                                REQUESTED       APPROVED

(Motion unanimously approved 7-0)

REASSESSMENT/COUNTY ASSESSOR  REASSESSMENT/PTABOA

REASSESSMENT/ARMSTRONG               REASSESSMENT/CENTER

REASSESSMENT/KNIGHT                         REASSESSMENT/PERRY

REASSESSMENT/PIGEON

Councilmember Raben: Okay, as we go through these, if no one objects I’m going to go ahead and take the balance of these at once, as one. We did have an opportunity, these are the same budgets that we approved in August during our budget hearings, so we have actually taken an official vote on these once. So with that being said, if no one objects I’m going to move on to County Assessor/Reassessment in the amount of $127,705; PTABOA in the amount of $35,073; Armstrong/Reassessment $1,938; Center/Reassessment $26,710; Knight/Reassessment $44,604; Perry/Reassessment $12,612; Pigeon/Reassess-ment $38,140, and I’d like to make that in the form of a motion.

Councilmember Wortman: I’ll second it.

President Bassemier: Got a motion and a second. Roll call vote please.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Tornatta?

Councilmember Tornatta: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?

Councilmember Sutton: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?

Councilmember Raben: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy?

Councilmember Hoy: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?

Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Wortman?

Councilmember Wortman: This would just more or less be a wash, Mr. Chairman, I think is what it amounts to.

President Bassemier: That’s right.

Councilmember Wortman: Thank you. I vote yes.

Teri Lukeman: President Bassemier?

President Bassemier: Yes.

REASSESSMENT/COUNTY ASSESSOR            REQUESTED       APPROVED

REASSESSMENT/PTABOA                                 REQUESTED       APPROVED

REASSESSMENT/ARMSTRONG                         REQUESTED       APPROVED

REASSESSMENT/CENTER                                  REQUESTED       APPROVED

REASSESSMENT/KNIGHT                                   REQUESTED       APPROVED

REASSESSMENT/PERRY                      REQUESTED       APPROVED

REASSESSMENT/PIGEON                                   REQUESTED       APPROVED

(Table continued next page)

(Motion unanimously approved 7-0)

REASSESSMENT/PERRY

Councilmember Raben: Okay, next under Perry/Reassessment, this is a new one, account 2492-1140-3600 Rent in the amount of $324. I’ll move approval.

Councilmember Wortman: Second.

President Bassemier: We’ve got a motion and a second. Roll call vote please.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Tornatta?

Councilmember Tornatta: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?

Councilmember Sutton: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?

Councilmember Raben: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy?

Councilmember Hoy: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?

Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Wortman?

Councilmember Wortman: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: President Bassemier?

President Bassemier: Yes.

REASSESSMENT/PERRY                                    REQUESTED       APPROVED

(Motion unanimously approved 7-0)

LOCAL DRUG FREE COMMUNITY

Councilmember Raben: Okay next, Substance Abuse Council, account 3280-2990 in the amount of $10,000, 3280-3951 Treatment in the amount of $10,000, 3280-3952 Prevention in the amount of $10,000, 3280-3953 Law Enforcement for $10,000, for a total appropriation request of $40,000. I’ll move approval.

Councilmember Wortman: Second.

President Bassemier: I have a motion and a second. Roll call vote please.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Tornatta?

Councilmember Tornatta: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?

Councilmember Sutton: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?

Councilmember Raben: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy?

Councilmember Hoy: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?

Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Wortman?

Councilmember Wortman: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: President Bassemier?

President Bassemier: Yes.

LOCAL DRUG FREE COMMUNITY                      REQUESTED       APPROVED

(Motion unanimously approved 7-0)

CIRCUIT COURT                               CIRCUIT CT. SUPP. ADULT PROBATION

Councilmember Raben: Okay, now for transfers, Circuit Court account 1360-1250-1360 in the amount of $1,200, account 1360-1980 in the amount of $2,242 to be transferred to account 1360-1220-1360 Probation Officer, for a total of $3,442. Supplemental Adult Probation account 2600-1320-2600 Secretary in the amount of $2,757, account 2600-1980 Other Pay in the amount of $4,027 to account 2600-1350-2600 Probation Counselor in the amount of $5,118, and account 2600-1610 Assistant Chief Stipend in the amount of $1,666. I’d like to make that in the form of a motion.

Councilmember Wortman: Second.

President Bassemier: I have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Roll call vote please.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Tornatta?

Councilmember Tornatta: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?

Councilmember Sutton: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?

Councilmember Raben: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy?

Councilmember Hoy: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?

Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Wortman?

Councilmember Wortman: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: President Bassemier?

President Bassemier: Yes.

CIRCUIT COURT                                                REQUESTED       APPROVED

(Motion unanimously approved 7-0)

President Bassemier: I’d like to clear something up. Jim, I think that’s supposed to be read into as Probation...what, Sandie? Typist instead of Probation Counselor, on that 2600-1350-2600.

Councilmember Raben: Okay, I’ll amend my motion for 2600-1350-2600 to read Typist Counselor or Probation Typist, if my seconder will amend...

Councilmember Wortman: And I’ll amend mine.

Councilmember Raben: Well then we need to move to reopen, and I’ll move that we reopen the late transfer for Circuit Court Supplemental Adult Probation.

President Bassemier: And Mr. Hoy seconds it. Everybody in favor say aye to reopen.

(Motion unanimously approved 7-0)

President Bassemier: It’s opened. Okay, Jim.

Councilmember Raben: Okay, I’d like to move that account 2600-1350-2600 transfer for the amount of $5,118 should read Probation Typist.

Councilmember Hoy: Second.

President Bassemier: I got a second from Mr. Hoy. Any discussion? Roll call vote please.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Tornatta?

Councilmember Tornatta: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?

Councilmember Sutton: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?

Councilmember Raben: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy?

Councilmember Hoy: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?

Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Wortman?

Councilmember Wortman: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: President Bassemier?

President Bassemier: Yes.

CIRCUIT COURT/SUPP. ADULT PROBATION   REQUESTED       APPROVED

(Motion unanimously approved 7-0)

ELECTION OFFICE

Councilmember Raben: Okay, next under the Election Office, at this time I’m going to call Marsha Abell to the podium. I had some changes coming in, but I understand that there are now maybe some other changes.

Marsha Abell: Yeah, we did get – we just encumbered everything we could because we didn’t know what it was going to cost us to redo the Election Office for the new equipment. We have an estimate, that 4210 for Office Furniture is for installation of all new shelves and that will hold. It came in at $4,280. The Repair to Buildings & Grounds at $19,600, they’re having to rewire. All of the machines have to be plugged in but David Rector called this morning and said the wiring will be $7,500. Now we still have phone lines that have to come out of that. They have to put two phone lines in for the election equipment company to be able to dial in and repair any issues that occur on the machines, but I don’t think that’s going to cost anywhere near as much as the electrical so I would think you could reduce that $19,600. I’d say you could reduce it down to $14,000 pretty easy. And you had intended to reduce the rent somewhat.

Councilmember Raben: Rent in the amount of, set it in at $3,200, which would be a $5,450 reduction.

Marsha Abell: Okay. You know if we can use government owned buildings, we don’t have to pay for those. I don’t know which ones we’re going to be able to use because we’ve got to go through the ADA thing this year but that’s okay because if it changes, I can come back and let you know later. And the only other thing that we’ve got, we do have to have $800 to pay Kinder Moving & Storage because they had to move the election equipment into the Election Office. It was unloaded at The Centre because they can’t get semi’s into this building and had to be brought over from the Centre to the Election Office.

Councilmember Raben: Okay, and what line had you intended to pay that $800 from? I can put it back into...

Marsha Abell: Yeah, it was supposed to – we could have left it under Contractual Services. We probably need to put it back under that.

Councilmember Raben: We’re going to be reducing Contractual Services by a substantial amount so you’ll simply pay out of that balance.

Marsha Abell: Just as long as I’ve got enough –

Councilmember Raben: That really doesn’t concern us today.

Marsha Abell: Okay.

Councilmember Raben: Okay, Mr. President, I’m going to move that account 1210-3530 Contractual Services be set in at $43,950, transferred to account 1210-3600 Rent in the amount of $3,200, 1210-3630 Equipment Lease & Rental $1,500, 1210-3550 Repair to Building & Grounds $14,000, and 1210-4210 Office Furniture in the amount as listed $25,250, for a total transfer request in the amount of $43,950.

Councilmember Sutton: The amount on the Contractual was how much again?

Councilmember Raben: $43,950.

Councilmember Hoy: Second.

President Bassemier: What was the total?

Councilmember Raben: $43,950.

President Bassemier: For all of them, does that all add up? Jim, would you re-add all that to make sure that adds up? I’m getting a different figure.

Councilmember Raben: I can do that. Does anyone have a calculator? Okay, I’ve got my naught plus naught right. It’s $43,950.

President Bassemier: Okay. I have a motion – I need a second.

Councilmember Hoy: I seconded.

President Bassemier: Okay, roll call vote please.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Tornatta?

Councilmember Tornatta: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?

Councilmember Sutton: Marsha, I’m going to have a question for you after we do the roll call. Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?

Councilmember Raben: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy?

Councilmember Hoy: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?

Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Wortman?

Councilmember Wortman: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: President Bassemier?

President Bassemier: Yes.

ELECTION OFFICE                                               REQUESTED       APPROVED

(Table continued next page)

(Motion unanimously approved 7-0)

President Bassemier: Jim, Amendments to the Salary Ordinance.

Councilmember Sutton: Just a second, Mr. President, I had a question for Marsha before we move on to the next area while we’re kind of talking on this subject. Marsha, this equipment that we are getting, as far as storage and space for the equipment, what do you have in mind for where it will be and do we have enough? Do we have adequate space to accommodate this equipment here or that’s going to be coming in?

Marsha Abell: We will have now. The new shelving, we’ve got shelving in the Election Office where we have all the election equipment now. Unfortunately, it was not the right size and we couldn’t use it for this old stuff. So this new stuff that’s being built in, the $4,200 for the new equipment, it’s tight but it all got in there. We had a design company come in that’s selling us the equipment and had them draw up the design to make sure that it all fit in there.

Councilmember Sutton: Okay, so where is this going to be located?

Marsha Abell: In the Election Office, the front part is where the office work is done. Right behind that is a big storage area where we’ve always kept the election equipment and it’s going to be in the same place.

Councilmember Sutton: Okay, now in terms of the – I guess in terms of the agreements and everything that we have on this equipment, refresh me just a little bit in terms of if we have problems with it or something and the type of warranties or guarantees that we’ve got on this equipment because, you know, obviously, over the years a number of people will be handling the equipment and all.

Marsha Abell: Well, the contract included them coming in and doing it. That was part of the contract and that was written in for each of the years for the five years as we pay it out. Then at the end of that you’ll have to renegotiate the contract.

Councilmember Sutton: Okay. Thank you.

President Bassemier: Okay, Mr. Raben, the amendments to the Salary Ordinance.

Councilmember Raben: Okay, ladies and gentlemen, everyone’s been given a two-page copy of amendments to be made to the Salary Ordinance in regards to the appropriations and transfers today. I’m just going to simply move that these be entered in and made part of our minutes and save everybody hearing me have to read them out. I make that in the form of a motion.

Councilmember Wortman: Second.

President Bassemier: I have a second by Mr. Wortman. Any discussion? Roll call vote please.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Tornatta?

Councilmember Tornatta: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Sutton?

Councilmember Sutton: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Raben?

Councilmember Raben: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Hoy?

Councilmember Hoy: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Winnecke?

Councilmember Winnecke: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: Councilmember Wortman?

Councilmember Wortman: Yes.

Teri Lukeman: President Bassemier?

President Bassemier: Yes. It passes 7-0.

(Motion unanimously approved 7-0)

President Bassemier: Getting into old business, I need a motion to approve the Graham Packaging 2003 county tax abatement, that they’re in compliance. Can I have a motion and a second to that please?

Councilmember Winnecke: Mr. President, I would hope someone from Graham is here. We asked that someone from Graham be here to talk to us about why they are not in compliance.

President Bassemier: Okay, do you want to get it on the floor first and then –

Councilmember Raben: It’s not for a vote.

President Bassemier: Okay, hold on a second. Counselor, I thought it was.

Jeff Ahlers: Yeah, I was just going to state just to remind everyone since its been a year or two since we’ve had compliance hearings, the standard that’s involved statutorily that you’re considering at this hearing and what you’re to determine today in this hearing on both the Graham Packaging and the Temme Mold, is to determine whether the property owner has made reasonable efforts to substantially comply with the statement of benefits and whether any failure to substantially comply was caused by factors beyond their control as a property owner. So if you find that either of these two entities is not in compliance, there will need to be a motion as to specifically stating why you find that they are not in compliance with the statement of benefits and that it was beyond their control as a – or was not beyond their control as a property owner, and then you would have to move to then terminate the abatement or to make a motion that you either find them substantially in compliance or that, you know, it was factors beyond their control and continue the abatement.

Councilmember Winnecke: And could we not also hear the explanations from both firms today and take it under advisement, and consider action at next month’s meeting?

Jeff Ahlers: Yeah, I mean, I guess if you want to do that you could.

President Bassemier: First you’d just like to hear it, is that your recommendation? Go ahead, sir, please state your name.

Jeff Lombard: My name is Jeff Lombard, I’m the plant manager out there at the Vanderburgh Industrial Park facility. I did want to just take a second and recognize Mike McGarrah, who is representing Mead Johnson today, in the back row today. The main reason the head count issue is 61 employees, the reason we’re short of that, we’re actually at 45 right now, is because of delays by our number one customer, Mead Johnson. And we just did not have the sales to support bringing in more individuals into the plant. We have brought in supplemental business to compensate as best we could. We actually installed another production line, a million and a half dollar production line into the plant to help out and to get as many individuals into the plant as we could. But since the first posting of 34 individuals, we are now at 45. So by the end of this year we hope to be at 50 to 55.

President Bassemier: Questions?

Councilmember Winnecke: Mr. Lombard, at what point would you project being at the 61 figure that was initially projected?

Jeff Lombard: There is a possibility, however small, that it could happen at the end of this year, third or fourth quarter, but realistically, it’s going to be next year, early in the first quarter of next year.

Councilmember Winnecke: Could you be a little more specific in terms of the dynamics between your major customer, what’s going on with them and what’s precluded you from getting to this number?

Jeff Lombard: Okay, I’ve got six production lines in the facility, five of which are dedicated to Mead Johnson. Right now I am running two and a half plus we’ve brought some other business in for Unilever out of Owensboro, a different process, but a substantial amount of our sales is all Mead Johnson. And the delays were, I don’t know that I want to get into the details of why that – I’d rather not speak for Mead Johnson, I guess is what I am saying.

Councilmember Winnecke: Could, is it McGary?

Mike McGarrah: McGarrah.

President Bassemier: Could you come forward please? Would you also state your name and who you are with?

Mike McGarrah: Yes. Mike McGarrah, Senior Supply Manager for Mead Johnson.

Councilmember Winnecke: I’m wondering if you could, a couple of things, first explain to the Council what you contract Graham to do and what dynamics have been involved for them to not be at the level they projected they would be when they sought the tax abatement.

Mike McGarrah: Okay, we have a project that goes back a couple of years. When we conceived the project, the anticipated completion date was the first quarter of ‘03. Graham Packaging was selected as a supplier to Mead Johnson for one of the primary components. It’s a new package, a new system. It hasn’t been launched and it hasn’t been announced to the market so I’m limited as to what I can and would be able to say. But because it’s new to us, it’s new to Graham, it’s new to a couple of the other suppliers putting it together, we ran into some significant technical issues late last year. We worked through those and thought we had it in April of this year, thereabouts mid-year, started back up for qualification activities, encountered additional problems of a technical nature not related to the first problem. We’ve worked through those now and we are producing commercial product on a steady basis. So we are fully qualified and we are producing. We’re not at 100% of our output yet but we’re fast approaching that.

Councilmember Winnecke: So, I guess I want to make sure I understand all the delays and technical challenges you’ve had, so right now you’re producing the product that you initially contracted Graham to produce for you although it’s not been announced or not been rolled out?

Mike McGarrah: It’s a new package form, is what it is. And we have been qualifying the package and the packaging system for this past year. Its taken that long. And it is roughly nine to twelve months behind schedule as a result of that.

Councilmember Winnecke: Could you explain what qualifying means?

Mike McGarrah: Qualifying means basically running the product under production/commercial conditions and going through the various evaluations and so forth necessary to make sure we’ve got a package that has full integrity. It’s a sterile package or it’s a commercially sterile package and so it’s been a number of small runs which then become production runs. There are incubations once we’ve sterilized the product we incubate it to evaluate it. Just a number of things and it’s all done through our R & D groups and so forth. It’s a protocol that’s developed quite extensively and so forth. And when I say qualify, it’s not only qualifying the package and the system, it’s also qualifying the packaging lines, because it’s a totally new facility for us.

Councilmember Winnecke: And so, again, to sort of – where are you in its life and to get fully ramped up?

Mike McGarrah: The product and the package and the equipment are now qualified and where we are now, we’re ramping up, we’ve starting making commercial product and this may not be the exact date, but thereabouts, started making commercial product in September. We currently are making product that’s being stockpiled for the launch announcement. So we currently are making and have been for several months, have been making the finished product that will be going o