The Vanderburgh County Council met in session this 8^th day of August, 2006 in room 301 of the Civic Center Complex. The meeting was called to order at 9:00 a.m. by County Council President Lloyd Winnecke.

President Winnecke: Good morning and welcome to our August 8^th meeting of the Vanderburgh County Council, to begin our 2007 budget hearings. We’ll begin with attendance roll call please.

COUNCILMEMBER	PRESENT	ABSENT
Councilmember Tornatta	X
Councilmember Sutton	X
Councilmember Abell	X
Councilmember Goebel	X
Councilmember Raben	X
Councilmember Wortman	X
President Winnecke	X

President Winnecke: Would you please stand and join in the Pledge of Allegiance?

President Winnecke: Before we begin, just a couple of comments, especially for those viewing at home, we will not be voting on any of the requests neither today, tomorrow or on Thursday. We will be hearing the requests from all the officeholders and department heads these next three days, and we’ll spend the next week or so working out what we think is a fair and amicable budget. We’ll come back on August 22^nd to present our cuts or any additions or changes that we see fit to make between now and that time. So, again, there will be no voting this time. We’ll hear the presentations and open it up to Councilmembers for questions. So, having said that, we’ll begin with the individual department budgets.

President Winnecke: First on the agenda today is Weights and Measures, and it’s page 87 in your budget books. Loretta, good morning.

Loretta Townsend: I’m Loretta Townsend from the City of Evansville-Vanderburgh County Weights and Measures Department.

President Winnecke: Your budget is pretty straightforward. Do you mind just kind of walking us through and giving us the highlights of it?

Loretta Townsend: Okay, seven, no, eight line items remained the same for 2007. Let’s see, there are a few pluses in it. On Training, I asked for another hundred dollars, because there’s going to be more and more training. Some of it we are able to get into our office, because we’ve got facilities that they can do it in. So, it helps us a lot on our Travel and our Training, but there are books and these type of things that are involved in it. Let’s see, same, same, Vehicle Repair, yeah, we got a new vehicle this year, but we got two of them that are, well, especially the Ford, we’re having a lot of trouble with the Ford. No matter what we do with the thing, we still get exhaust back into the, an antifreeze smell back into the vehicle. We have a hard time with that one. Of course, the other one is getting old, and we now, as of, until we get billed for something else, we’ve got a total of 260 bucks left in there to make it through the rest of the year, which we have not been billed yet for July. Okay, on Gas and Oil, our only thing that might save us some is that we don’t get billed for December until January, which we’re going to be taking out of next year. But if we have to rob Peter to pay Paul, that’s what we’re going to have to do because we have a total of from $2,100, and our last billing was for June, which we just got in July, we have a total of $800 left, which is not even half the year. Okay, on, let’s see, we asked for $165 more in Dues, no, that’s what we have left. I’m sorry, $150 more in Rent. We pay a total of $5.60 a square foot. The Civic Center, which is, like it or not, is a private corporation, I mean, there’s stockholders and this type of thing, is over $16 a square foot. So, I don’t think we’re doing too bad. We’ve got a thousand foot, we’ve got security for our vehicles, people can walk in and bring scales in to us, which they do very frequently, and this type of thing, but we, he has upped it 160 bucks a year, or $150 a year. So, that’s still one of the cheapest deals in town. I don’t think even your bank could fight that one. Other than that–

Loretta Townsend: Miscellaneous Equipment, we have to buy, which we did this year, every so many years we buy padlocks that we lock up the gas stations with, the gas pumps and this type of thing. Anything that we see that we’re running very low in equipment or supplies or something, we switch over to Miscellaneous Equipment. That’s what you’re probably looking at to cut, aren’t ‘ya?

Councilmember Raben: I tell you what, Mr. President, this is, Loretta always works hard at trying to keep–

Councilmember Raben: –their budget down. I’m looking back, and it does deserve a pat on the back. Since 2003, this budget’s only gone up $30,000. That includes salary increases and insurance increase and what have you. So, I think she does as good a job holding this budget down, in fact, what they do when gas prices are $3.00 a gallon, you kind of realize the importance of somebody out there measuring pumps and making sure when you buy a gallon of gas, you get a gallon of gas.

Loretta Townsend: I’m going to tell you something, you’re talking about a three percent raise, good. They need a three percent raise. But if any of you have got the guts enough to go with my guys and us and see what’s going on out there, where they’re at right now on these gas trucks, a hundred gallons a pop, five, ten gallons on these other things, and you watch the fumes coming up, and you talk about sweating. You have never sweat in your life until you are out there with that. They deserve a lot more than that three percent, but they’re going to settle for three percent, and we appreciate it very much. But at the end of this year, if things go right, we’re going to have some left over, and one of them is going to be in Communications and the other one is going to be in Rent, and we’re going to have a total of thirty cents in each one of them left. That’s how close our budget is. So just keep that in mind.

Councilmember Abell: I’m not questioning that, I just don’t know what Unappropriated Funds, what is that? What do you do with that?

Loretta Townsend: Are you talking about, is it $150? I don’t have an Unappropriated Funds, what we printed out on here. Is it Petty Cash, 150 bucks?

Loretta Townsend: Okay. They call it Unappropriated Funds, it’s Petty Cash, and what we do is everything we have to buy, a lot of our stuff, I mean, I’ll be truthful with you, it’s going to come from Wal-Mart and it’s going to come from the Dollar General Store, and we put, it’s like supplies and this type of thing.

Loretta Townsend: Yeah, they’re calling it something other than what we are, Marsha.

Loretta Townsend: Keep in mind that 45 percent of this, almost half of it’s going to come from the city.

Z. Tuley: Thank you for the appropriation for the Chief Deputy slot, which I filled. They will start promptly August 21^st. I look forward to the training going on. I thank you for the opportunity to go ahead and start that training.

President Winnecke: Z., if you could begin just with the line items that are beyond the personnel line items that represent an increase over this year. If you could start with those. Just provide a brief explanation. I know you have in the rationale book. We would just like to hear it for the record.

Z. Tuley: I didn’t increase anything, except for one thing. Everything that is listed here, I believe, that I left it as the same that was allowed by the Council last year. So far it’s working out and it hasn’t hurt so bad. I think I did have a slight contractual problem because of the increase from Xerox that I didn’t anticipate. So, I think that that might be the only thing that I increased, except for the Extra Help. Every year I come before you, and every year I ask for part time help. I don’t think that it’s a stretch for anyone to realize that when you send out over 100,000 tax bills that your office is going to be bombarded with phone calls, questions, problems, “I didn’t get my bill”. The bills come back. We had probably 15 trays of returned mail because the taxpayer doesn’t keep up their current mailing address with the Auditor. I thought we did an excellent job this year trying to get them back out, but it is a killer. We work long hours and had a great deal of overtime. I should have brought that figure with me, but I didn’t, but I can get that to you so that Sandie can get that in your packet for review. Besides preparing to get the bills out and the overtime that we spend there, we have to turn around and get those bills back out, even though it’s the taxpayers responsibility to make sure that their current address is on file. It doesn’t do any good to have the actual original bill sitting in my office, because if they don’t have it, they probably won’t pay it. We do hit the media hard. Tom did a great story on how much mail that was returned. The article was very effective, because Bill Fluty’s office was then flooded with phone calls and address changes. Did you set a record number this year, Bill?

Z. Tuley: We believe it’s close. So the article was very effective. So the volume of people that need assistance, and the phone calls and questions are not always things that they can find. It’s not that they’re missing information necessarily that they can’t find on the Internet, it’s what do they do if? We get a lot of the, “What do I do if I lost my exemptions?”, “What do I do if I just turned 65?, “What do I do if I didn’t get my bill?”. We get an awful lot of those phone calls. When you send out over 100,000 tax bills, and you’ve just got this short, little window of collection, you’re bombarded all at once, and then it’s almost like it all goes away. I do feel the absolute need to have part time help during that two weeks, at least, prior to the May 10 deadline, I would prefer four, and I need the same again in November. Because of the volume that comes in, we have the same scenario. You’ve got everybody crunching to pay at the last minute, and we’ve just got that much workload.

President Winnecke: So, what would your plan be for two weeks? Hire how many people to reduce the burden on the staff?

Z. Tuley: I think that we would start with one. Since I haven’t had any, except for the one year that we were in reassessment, one person made a significant difference. We didn’t train them to answer questions. We did train them to send them to the right person who can answer that question. That seemed to work real well. Then, in my office, there is a line for those who don’t have questions, that just want to pay, that don’t want to pay on line, or pay at the bank, they want to come down and pay in person. That person kept the traffic flow going. If you have a question, you need to stop here, rather than them getting mixed up in the Cashier line, they get down to the Cashier and they say, “Well, now, I need you to look at this.” See, my Cashier can’t be doing that. That needs to be down at this end, because the Cashier just needs to turn out the guy that’s ready to pay.

President Winnecke: I think if you could provide the Councilmembers with the overtime data that you had referenced earlier, if you can provide that to Mrs. Deig, that would be good for us to have as we begin our deliberations later this week.

Z. Tuley: Computers, oh. Yeah, that’s where it was last year, but, as I understand it, you guys need me to let you know approximately how much it would cost to keep up the pace of....we replace three computers a year, and we keep it in rotation so that it’s not all at once, and we just replace the oldest ones that are....we had two of them crash this year, as Marsha knows, I had to call with an emergency, because we had one that went down right before tax deadline. If I don’t put this in here, you don’t know what I’m needing. So this is, this dollar amount here stands for three computers.

President Winnecke: How did you arrive at these prices, at the pricing of $2,000 per computer?

Z. Tuley: With what the, ACS has let us know what all that we need in the packaging, what all applications that we’re using, and so forth.

Councilmember Tornatta: Okay, just asking. Do you have any of those questions, just those questions that you get all the time–

Councilmember Tornatta: Uh-huh. I was going to say, that might be an idea to put on your website to have those frequently asked questions. A lot of people do go to websites just to check out that. I know there are going to be some that aren’t going to be able to have the availability to do that, the libraries even have computers that they can get on for free. So, if they were able to do that, that might be just something that we could throw out.

Councilmember Tornatta: The other thing I was going to mention was, has there ever been any thought of cross training between an office that might have a lighter load during that period of time? To cross train and get some help over from another office?

Z. Tuley: That sounds really good on the surface, but in application of doing that, my office has money, and we receive money, and we receive checks. You could probably have something like that as far as the mail goes, but if they’re working in and around my office, they are exposed to money, and security needs to be tight in those quarters. So every time I allow somebody behind my counter, they have to be watched. If you’re having to watch your extra help, then you’re probably not getting your work done. So I think that that would be–

Councilmember Tornatta: So do you have people that come in every year and do this? Or, I guess, I’m trying to understand, are you training these people just for that two week period, or whatever amount of time you’re talking about?

Z. Tuley: I only got to have one part-time help person since I’ve been in office for six years. That one person is willing to come back, given that their schedule would allow it by now. But, yes, that’s what we did with her, and she has an exemplary record. So the trust factor is not an issue.

Councilmember Sutton: Z., you’ve got a pretty hefty mailing cost, or postage line.

Councilmember Sutton: Well, in a lot of what you do, of course, we need you to do what you do, the sending out those bills. I guess, you’ve talked about this in the past with your website and you have relationships with some vendors here locally where tax payments can be made, what is the incentive for someone to utilize some of these other areas of technology that you have through your office so that you don’t have a line stretched down the hallway two times a year?

Z. Tuley: Number one is convenience. If you go on-line, you can do it from your home, and it doesn’t matter if it’s midnight or 8:00 a.m., when regular office hours are not, the offices aren’t open. The other convenience of using the bank is that you don’t have to get out of your vehicle. You can go through the drive-through and pay. I have pushed that and pushed that. For some people it works, and for some people they just refuse to pay elsewhere. They want the receipt and they want to hand deliver it down here, and they want the receipt from me and not the receipt from the bank. Although there is no difference, as far as what makes a receipt legal, and what doesn’t make a receipt legal. Whatever the bank hands you, that is your official receipt. If there is an overpayment or something, you can present that, and it works as if it’s the original receipt from my office, and you can get your refund with that receipt.

Councilmember Sutton: –people, the number of businesses that come in and some individuals that we would have a higher number taking advantage of some of these more efficient ways to pay their taxes. It would seem that there would be a way where–

Councilmember Sutton: I don’t know if it’s just a lack of information maybe on their part.

Councilmember Sutton: If it’s just a lack of information, maybe, on their part–

Councilmember Sutton: –is the reason they’re not taking advantage of it. So when they come in, you know, they specifically have some information. Or even if there were a way to send out some of the bills electronically, rather than using postage. Some may find that that might be something we may take an interest in.

Z. Tuley: If they contact me, I will do that. I will send it to them via e-mail. It was proposed to the legislators that we start looking at that alternative. It got a cold reception, so far, but as technology improves and what have you, and as costs rise, I think that it would become the duty, so to speak, of the Treasurer to encourage our legislators to perhaps look at things differently, so that we can cut costs in that area. Particularly with the form that I have nicknamed COLTS, the Comparison of Levy Tax Statement, that automatically, for the most part, will increase anybody’s mailing costs, because you now have an additional form. The law says that form must be sent to the taxpayer along with the tax bill. There are counties out there that if you are in escrow and an escrow company has requested your bill, they don’t print you one. With the production of the comparison form, you are no longer given that option. It says you will mail the form along with the bill. So with my bills, I have stamped on it, so that the taxpayer is aware that a mortgage company has requested their bill, I have it stamped on there, “duplicate sent to mortgage company”. This doesn’t tell the taxpayer, at all, that their mortgage company is going to pay, it just simply says they asked for a copy and I sent them one. Loans close and loans open all the time, and so it’s worked out for us for those people who did pay off their loan, that they went ahead and had a bill. We do accept those payments, even though it’s stamped duplicate sent, because we know that that’s not a guarantee of payment. But the on-line thing is a good idea, I think. But the convenience of anyone who has asthma, particularly, I know that the farmers just absolutely tear me up in the fall with my allergies, I’m allergic to mold. I have difficulty with allergies in the fall. There are other people that have allergies in the spring. They can get in their vehicle, if they don’t want to use the mail, and they can drive to a number of local banks, whoever has the contract, they have branches everywhere, and they don’t have to get out of their vehicles, and they don’t have to park out front, and they don’t have to come up here. But you will still see taxpayers hauling their oxygen tanks on the second floor to come in and pay because that’s what they want to do. I need to be ready for those. I do encourage everybody to pay at the bank, because one thing, it’s financially productive for us to do this, because if you go to the bank and you paid today, I don’t know that you’ve paid yet. I get a report from the bank electronically the next morning. Because I have an agreement and a contract with the bank that they’re going to sweep whatever’s in the account into an interest bearing, I just earned interest last night on money that I didn’t even know I had. So it is a very financially sound plan. I don’t know how you, you can’t make the taxpayer go to the bank, unless you just close down my office.

Councilmember Sutton: –group of folk who don’t want to take advantage of that.

Z. Tuley: –I’m trying to encourage that. It does take a lot of the burden off. But if they do have questions, they are going to have to call. If they lost their exemptions, then I get them, and Bill gets them both.

Councilmember Goebel: Z, I don’t want to belabor this, we’ve got a lot of business today, but did you...did I misunderstand you, the state legislature is opposed to on- line, electronic billing?

Z. Tuley: They didn’t say that they were opposed, but it got a very cold reception.

Z. Tuley: Yes, because the law says you will mail the COLTS form along with the tax bill to the taxpayer.

Councilmember Goebel: That could be pushed through your organization. Do you know offhand what percentage of people opt to pay their taxes on the debit plan?

Councilmember Goebel: Okay. Not very many. If we could go electronically, it seems like it would save the taxpayers quite a bit of cash, or money.

Z. Tuley: I think the issue there, the debit option plan, which is an excellent plan, but they do have to share their banking information with me. I think that, some of that discourages some of those. It’s getting more popular.

Z. Tuley: Yes, but I have to know their bank, the bank’s routing number and their account number.

Councilmember Goebel: As long as you don’t let that information out, I think we’re okay.

Councilmember Raben: Just real quick, I mean, to me it sounds like we just need to do a bang up job on selling this to the public, and maybe the news media, radio, could all step up and offer some free air space to sell what we have to offer in terms of making these payments.

Z. Tuley: I have had in the past, I do want to say, the taxpayers complain about the lines. I always tell them, it’s not my fault, and you don’t have to be here, and I didn’t have any money for part time help, and I tried to make other means available to you, and some of them just say, “I’m coming here, because you are collecting my tax and you’re going to get me, and you’re going to wait on me.”

Susan Plassmier: Good morning. I’m Susan Plassmier with Purdue Extension here in Vanderburgh County. I’m the county Extension Director.

President Winnecke: Maybe if you could do the same, if you just kind of highlight the areas that are–

Susan Plassmier: Appropriations? Okay. The 1990 account, the Extra Help account, way back in 2002, well, those were all cut out in the county. We lost $6,240 in that account line, and so we’re asking that that be reinstated. That’s the money that we use to help pay for college students in the summer to help run the 4-H program, do workshops, camps, do a lot of coordination. We do a lot of summer outreach at day camps in the community, where we go in and work with kids that are at the day camps. So, that has helped to fund for that. We’ve had to cut back. We’ve been able to use some of the money from the 4-H assistant line item, but we have had to cut back on the number of students that we use. They help coordinate things with the fair, too. The Office Supplies, we’re asking for an additional $500 in that line item, costs are just increasing. Travel/Mileage, again, costs are increasing. Actually, the county appropriated where we could get more mileage per, more money per mileage, but yet our mileage account never increased. So we’re just asking for a $500 increase to help offset with that. Utilities, asking for $1,000 for that because of the increase of gas and electricity, just like we have at home, we also have at work. 3530, that’s our Contractual Service line item. That’s, I think, our big one this year. We’re asking for $5,000 in that. That is money that goes to Purdue University to pay, help pay for extension educators here in Vanderburgh County, of which we have three. These are people with Masters degrees that do programming within the community. Purdue pays 70 percent of that, the salaries. It includes salaries, benefits, training, and the county picks up, is paying about 30 percent of that cost. So Purdue, back in 2004 said we’re, by the year 2007 every county was asking for them to appropriate an additional $5,000, and I’ve been telling you every year since then that this was coming in 2007. Every year I put a little extra in the budget, saying if you want to go ahead and put some in there now, rather than being hit with it all at once in 2007, you can, but we always just got what we needed. So, this is the year that we’re being hit with that $5,000 increase. Back in 1982, Purdue came up with a formula that designated how each county, how much they would pay, and that has not changed since 1982. We’ve had every year like the two percent cost of living increase, but nothing else. So, this is the year that that’s being asked to change. Then also, in 4220, the Office Machine line item, you took $1,000 out of that last year, and we’re asking that $1,000 be put back in there to give us a total of $2,000 in that line item.

Susan Plassmier: When we’ve had to buy equipment, and we may, we don’t always have something each year. Last year we bought a laminating machine. So, we had some money that we hadn’t used the previous year that we were able to carry over and, you know, you said to pay for things like that, more high cost things. You know, we don’t use it every year. But, it’s nice to know that. I will say, you know, Loretta talked about how their budget had only gone up $30,000, our budget has only increased $13,000 since the year 2002, so we don’t ask for a lot of money. We don’t have a lot of fluff in our budget. Pretty well what we get, we spend, and if we don’t, we turn it back.

Susan Plassmier: That is, we have a service, or a contract with Purdue, that pays for leasing computers. That’s a flat amount every year of what our county, it pays for eight computers, a printer and then the service to that, you know, we’re on-line with them. So if we have a problem with our computer system, they can go, just at Purdue can go in, up there with their little magic, and fix it. So, and that, if there’s anything that we need to send out, or if anything needs to be repaired, then that includes that cost in there.

Councilmember Wortman: I think in this program here that they do with the kids is really important, I think. That keeps kids off the street, too.

Councilmember Sutton: Line item 3120, Postage and Freight, is that primarily the mailings with your newsletters and updates and flyers, that type of thing?

Councilmember Sutton: Okay, any other things that you have in there that attribute to that $9,500 request? It’s almost the same, along the same lines as what I had with the Treasurer when she was up. Just trying to find some ways to be a little bit more efficient. I mean, since a lot of the audience that you’re touching base with are either students or on-line, is there a way that we can even look at, I know you guys have probably talked about it, but look at maybe becoming a little bit more efficient with using, putting the newsletters and things on-line?

Councilmember Sutton: And reducing some of that Postage cost. So, I don’t know if that’s just that exclusively, if you’ve got something else in there, I would like to hear it.

Councilmember Sutton: In our book it’s 31...I don’t know if you have a different numbering system, it’s 3120.

Susan Plassmier: Okay, that line item didn’t increase. Did I say it was increasing?

Susan Plassmier: Okay. We send out bulk mail, when we send out newsletters. You know, a lot of what we send out, we get a lot of people calling our office requesting information versus, this time of the year I get a lot of calls about canning and freezing. So if they have a computer, I can tell them, you know, you can access this publication by going on-line, but a lot of our clientele don’t have access to that. So when you’re getting in some technical information, you need to mail them. The same thing, we get a lot, Larry Caplan, who’s our Horticulture Educator, gets a huge amount of calls where he sends out information, publications, mailings to people dealing with pests, problems, fruit, I mean, just diseases and things like that. Again, I mean, if he has it on-line and they have a computer, he will just send that, forward that to them. But, it doesn’t always happen. Actually, even with our postage and our bulk mail, we send out, a group that I work with, Extension Homemakers, they pay their own bulk mail permit, as well as the 4-H organization. I mean, that doesn’t come out of our county money. They pay for the permit for that themselves, their organizations.

Councilmember Sutton: About some ways that you could maybe look at streamlining.

Councilmember Tornatta: Can you just explain how many kids are affected if you don’t have the Extra Help money? It’s kind of used in a different capacity. Where sometimes we see some government office use it for bringing in some extra employees, in this case you have summer programs, I believe, like I didn’t see my basketball camp, so I knew there was a cut somewhere. But can you explain how many kids are affected, and just a little bit about what they do?

Susan Plassmier: Okay, we, to be quite honest with you, I do not know the number of kids that we work with at day camps. We go to probably ten different day camps. Like we go to USI day camp, we go to Camp Reveal’s day camp, different churches, Good Shepherd has day camps, and they go there weekly and do programs with kids, basically kids that are 4-H age, because we kind of want to use it also as a promotion tool for 4-H, go and do different programming. This year, Purdue, we’ve had a lot of training on, you know, 40 hour work weeks, so, that may be why they were unable to come to your camp, because we really even had to watch that really closely with the fair, to make sure they did not go over that 40 hour limit. Which, in the past, it’s kind of not been so much of an issue. We’re looking, watching that much more closely, and we had to juggle the office schedule, the fair too, so secretaries didn’t go over their 40 hours. Because when you’re at the fair, people expect you to be available to them, you know, 8:00 in the morning until like 9:00, 10:00 at night. If they have questions, they just want to walk into the office to ask questions. So, we, you know, even juggled their hours to try and cover that whole time frame. We probably work with, I mean, 1,500 students or children in the summer, or more. That’s not counting our traditional 4-H--

Councilmember Tornatta: What about the ones that are employed? I mean, that are actually employed, how many kids are actually employed?

President Winnecke: County Clerk, page one in your handbooks. Good morning, Susie.

President Winnecke: Same routine, if you could start with the requests that are over and above 2006 funding levels, please.

Susan Kirk: Well, to start with, the salaries, as I had explained to you last year, I went before Job Study, and I’m just trying to get my staff salaries comparable to other staff members within the Civic Center, other offices who do similar work. As far as, I think, Office Supplies we stayed the same, the only one that really raises is our Storage of Records, which has been a slight problem. Needless to say, every year there are more cases filed through the court system. Which obviously means more storage. The more litigious everything becomes, the more papers each case has. So storage has been a problem, ongoing, and, I mean, Marsha can attest to this. Secondly, there was a company, it was a Phoenix and Pulse that was doing, Phoenix did the microfilming of records, and Pulse did the scanning of records. But, as it turns out, and I know this was ongoing with Marsha, because I’d seen some notes on it, the records that they were scanning are not even vaguely acceptable to the state. So therefore, we can’t destroy records, because the scanning that was done is below par. I spoke with Mr. Bob Like, who has the company, Pulse, and worked with him for a year on them trying to correct the errors and it was a mess. Anyway, they just couldn’t seem to get it corrected. It got so bad, at one point we were missing some order books, and one of the employees at Pulse literally broke the lock on the door at Kinder, I guess, in the middle of the night, and put those three order books in there. So anyway, I ceased using Pulse because, well, it was just a mess. So anyway, we do now have Kinder, who we’ve had John Newman down from the state, and he went out there, we had everything checked, and Kinder is, you know, their scanning is great, they like it. So we are beginning to try to get that taken care of, so that in the future we can destroy some records. So I know you guys always kind of cut us a little bit there, for Record Storage. We’ll just, we’ll be back for more money.

President Winnecke: If you could hold that thought, we’re going to change the tape.

Councilmember Tornatta: Susie, a couple of questions. If I’m looking at this in the IV-D we think we’ll pay $125,000 towards storage of documents? Is that what is anticipated?

Susie Kirk: Well, we can only take a percentage off of that. We’re taking as much as we can to help with storage costs out of the IV-D money.

Councilmember Tornatta: Okay, well I understand, but I mean the total we’re looking at is $125,000 for one year?

Susie Kirk: See, what the...well, let me find it here. You jumped one on me. I was still in the Clerk’s Office.

Councilmember Tornatta: Okay, I’m looking at a line up above in Office Supplies, so we’re talking $95,000?

Susie Kirk: You have to remember, IV-D, because the state has taken over so much, the IV-D money is going down some. Now grant you, we were kind of on a down slide there for a while, but between the Prosecutor’s Office and my Child Support Office, they’ve kind of gotten together and we’re doing a little bit better now. Some other things that we’re doing to try to, you know, get more IV-D money to help us with anything that, you know, office supplies, storage, record storage.

Councilmember Tornatta: Plus they need...the IV-D might need a couple thousand dollars worth of furniture and then they pass theirs on to the Clerk’s Office.

Councilmember Tornatta: I was just saying that the IV-D account could probably use the $1,000 worth of furniture that they would gladly pass theirs over to the Clerk’s department.

Susie Kirk: The only thing that we did as far as furniture goes, the girls...their chairs...well, they were pathetic and we did use some of the IV-D money to compensate for that. The reason we can do that is because bookkeeping, the girls that work at the front counter, you know, they are taking things in that concern IV-D money.

Councilmember Tornatta: I understand, but I am just saying that probably one could put the $1,000 Furniture line in the IV-D account and then pass their furniture on in the other account.

Councilmember Tornatta: But they would have to use that furniture if that was a passing over. I think you were talking about chairs.

Susie Kirk: I thought everybody had a chair that needed one and apparently I didn’t. I emailed everybody and said, what about your chair? I tried to...people with back trouble, to get their chairs ergonomically correct and things like that, and there were just a few of them that we didn’t get. Now grant you, these people are not going to fall out of their chair, they’re not that bad, but we did that last year and to do that again this year with IV-D money, I think would be maybe going over the edge a little bit and I don’t want to do anything to jeopardize what money we get from IV-D so that $1,000 for furniture would just be to finish out for those other girls that did not get a new chair. And these chairs they’re like, you know, they’re not expensive. We’re not buying big fancy plush chairs, but that is what that is for. Like I said, we did that last year so I feel uncomfortable doing it again, turning that into IV-D money this year.

Susie Kirk: Those spots that have anything to do with IV-D money got their stuff last year.

Councilmember Goebel: In line 3540 Maintenance Contract, could you just briefly explain what that is for?

Susie Kirk: The maintenance contracts are for the printers that we have over there. I mean, the copiers that we have over there. We’ve got lots of copiers, needless to say. Big, I mean, it’s big. Big copy machines. So there is one down in Misdemeanor and Traffic. There is one, of course, in the Clerk’s Office, two in the Clerk’s Office, that we have to have maintenance agreements on because if we don’t...a maintenance agreement actually ends up being cheaper for us in the long run than doing it the other way because we can run so many more copies and it’s so much cheaper.

Susie Kirk: Uh, I believe, what did I put down, Teri? Have you got that? I didn’t bring that over here. I know it goes down. It’s been going down. Like I said, we’re hoping to raise that up just a little bit. I don’t...maybe Teri, I didn’t bring that over here with me. Sorry to put you on the spot, Teri.

Teri Lukeman: You projected $70,000 for the remainder of this year and $100,000 for next year.

Teri Lukeman: I’m sorry. Seventy thousand for the remainder of this year and $100,000 was projected for next year in IV-D.

Susie Kirk: And that may be a little on the low side. Like I said, we’ve tried to do some things to even collect, you know, try to get back up a little bit. Like I said, it’s very difficult to do because the state is basically assuming the role of child support. The checks are...they all go to the state first. We don’t even get them. We’re getting walk-ins, you know, if it’s a very small company, less than 50 people, and you know maybe there are a couple of gentlemen or ladies that are paying child support they can still pay through our office, but for the most part everything is electronically done. Their wages are, you know, it’s withdrawn right out of their wages and it goes right to the state and the state gives us a report. So they take away more of our work. As a matter of fact, we’ll probably be moving one of the employees maybe in the next couple of years out of Child Support and into Misdemeanor and Traffic.

President Winnecke: Other questions of the Clerk? Thank you, Susie, we’ll see you in a couple of weeks.

Susie Kirk: That is pretty well self-explanatory. We didn’t raise...that’s pretty well the same other than obviously, the Council was kind enough to give our poll workers a little bit more money to get us up with, you know, the rest of the people in the state that pay their poll workers. I am going to get with the County Commissioners. We are going to redo the contract with ES & S for the iVotronics. There are some things that we have found that we can save on and we’re talking, you know, $50,000 or $60,000 that we’ll be able to save on that.

Councilmember Sutton: On that Contractual Services, one more time just to make sure I’m real clear on that. What...that’s iVotronics exclusively?

Susie Kirk: The Contractual Services on the Election Office budget is for Kinder Moving & Storage and we’re going to use them because we did the bids last time and everybody was, other than Kinder Moving & Storage, they were twice the amount. That is for them to transport the iVotronics to the polling place on Monday, the day before the election, and they pick them up on Wednesday and bring them back to the office. I tell you guys, if you want to see something impressive you need to come down and see that. I have never seen anything so organized in my life as how he has got that set up. They come in....well, it sounds like thunder in the hallways the way they come in and pick up those machines, get them out, get them delivered, get them picked up. They do a wonderful job, but that is all that is used for is to transport the iVotronics back and forth. That’s it.

Councilmember Sutton: How long is...what’s the length of this contract that we have with Kinder for that particular service there?

Councilmember Sutton: Okay. Now since it’s going to be a city election next year, I mean, is this in line with what the cost was when planning for this year or is this...we’re going to have a small election next year.

Susie Kirk: Well, this is the reason that I left it the same. As we all know, gas prices are going up. I don’t know what Kinder...the bid is going to be next year. I hope that even though we’re going to reduce the precincts by maybe 30 and, of course, they don’t have to drive as far out into the county, that this will certainly more than cover it. But like I said, because of the increases in gasoline, I was hesitant to cut that figure back for the 2007 election. Because, like I said, when the bids were sent out, you know, there was Shetler Moving & Storage and I forget, two or three of them, and, my gosh, their bids to transport these iVotronics were like 20,000 some odd dollars and Kinder does it for half that price. So I am just anticipating higher gas prices. So that is why I left it at that figure.

President Winnecke: Prosecutors Office. So everyone knows, we’ll get through the Prosecutor’s budget and then we’ll take a brief recess so we can relax.

Stan Levco: I think so. My name is Stan Levco, I’m the Prosecuting Attorney. Shall I tell you the differences in our budget from last year to this year?

Stan Levco: Okay. There are just a few. One is I’m asking on payroll on a Deputy Prosecutor who is my filing deputy. Earlier this year in April, his salary was increased $7,200 and that was because he had been unclassified a few years ago to give him a raise, and over the years with the three percent raises, he would end up getting paid less than what he would have gotten had he been classified.

Stan Levco: In any event, when I came here, I agreed that for the rest of the year that I would pay the difference out of Infraction Funds and I said I would be requesting that it be paid out of the General Fund next year. You did not agree that you would pay it out of the General Fund next year, you just agreed that I would come back and make that request and that is the request I am making. I am also asking for two additional IV-D Enforcement Officers. There is a major increased request in the drug budget that I am asking for and also an additional on two matching grants, Domestic Violence and Witness Assistance. It has been increased only because their grants, their match stays the same and the salary and the insurance goes up. I have Mr. Brown who is going to talk about the IV-D Enforcement Agents and Dan Miller is head of the drug program and he can talk about the drug increase if you would like.

Councilmember Raben: I understand we are not addressing salary issues today, but there is one that is pretty substantial.

Councilmember Raben: 1240-1080, which is Chief Criminal Investigator. Yeah, it’s about a $19,000 increase. Just under $19,000.

Councilmember Raben: Is this a different employee in this than what was in it last year? Okay.

Stan Levco: It will be a different Chief Investigator who had more years of service.

Councilmember Raben: Then I guess is there a line somewhere that reflects a lesser amount that makes up for that?

Councilmember Sutton: What was the accompanying adjustment? I didn’t catch that?

President Winnecke: If I can make one comment just real quickly. I am having also trouble hearing people, so if you could make an effort to speak more into the microphone I think it would help all of us. Okay, let’s go to IV-D, please.

Doug Brown: Doug Brown, Prosecutor’s Office. I’m just going to make a very brief pitch why we do need two new employees, Enforcement Agents in IV-D. These agents are reimbursed two-thirds by the state, as you know. Essentially, to make it real simple, if we had two more employees, then we would be collecting more child support. I’m going to compare some of the similar sized counties to us and currently in Vanderburgh County we have 15,400 cases with 15 administrative staff. That’s 1,000 cases per person. In Elkhart they have approximately 10,000 cases with 19 employees, 510 per person. St. Joseph, they have 19,500 cases with 35 employees, that’s 560 per person. In Allen County they have 25,400 current cases with 31 employees and that is 820 per person. I’ll show you our collections. In 2005, Vanderburgh County collected $14,290,000. That is $950,000 per agent. Elkhart collected $769,000 per agent. St. Joseph, they collected $665,000 per agent. Allen County collected just over $1 million per agent. Our agents are working at a very efficient rate collecting a lot of money. For the first six months of 2006, our collections are up ten percent, so essentially we’re collecting $1 million per agent, which is great work. Over the past three years in our program, our collections are up almost 25 percent. There are a lot of reasons for that, but it’s mostly a lot of aggressive programs that have been implemented by our office, our head of Child Support. Things like attaching retirement benefits, attaching insurance settlements, wage withholdings, attaching bank accounts, placing liens on automobiles, using internet locator services to try and track down deadbeat parents who are not paying their child support and also aggressive use of both criminal and civil remedies, contempt proceedings and actually filing felony cases on people who are not paying their child support. The addition of more employees would directly, and I’m going to say almost instantly, benefit. We’ll have more collections, the amount of money we collect will go up immediately. Another reason why we could use this is the United States Congress has just voted to decrease child support funding. That means the funds that are distributed by the state to the local agencies will be cut in direct relation to how they perform in specific areas. We need these additional employees so that we can do well in these areas to make sure we continue to get that two-thirds from the state. If we were really going to try and be as competitive as we could statewide and to help our citizens the most, we would probably ask for four enforcement agents. We realize there are various budgetary constraints. We’re asking for two. I looked back over our requests for the last few years regarding child support. In 2000 or for the budget year 2000, we asked for six Enforcement Agents and we received two. In 2001, we asked for five and received none. In 2002, we asked for five and received no agents. In 2003, we asked for two and we did not receive any agents. We have not asked for any Enforcement Agents in the last three years. So this is...we appreciate your situation, but the cost benefit here is so great. Again, this money that is collected directly benefits the children of Vanderburgh County. Two-thirds of what the salary is paid is reimbursed to the General Fund by the state. I think it is a wise use of your money. It will help us out in the long run and help the children of Vanderburgh County. So, do you have any questions?

Doug Brown: It’s not a grant per se. We’re just asking for two...for the county to fund two new employees, two Enforcement Agents.

Doug Brown: It has been going on as long as I have been here. We’ve always had that two-thirds reimbursement. I can’t predict the future, but as I said, Congress has voted to cut down on some child support benefits. The areas that they are going to measure how funds are distributed are paternity establishment, order establishment, arrearage collection and basic child support collection and we do quite well in two of those areas. We lag behind in a couple of the others. The areas we lag behind in are directly in proportion to our lack of employees. You can see our employees are performing at as high a rate of almost anybody in the state.

Councilmember Abell: Mr. Brown, what is the percentage...I see how much you have collected, what is the percentage that you have collected that is still left to be collected?

Councilmember Abell: For instance, when you compare yourself to the other counties, it could be that those other counties have collected 100 percent and their 100 percent is less than our outstanding. Do you know how much outstanding we have?

Doug Brown: I could not tell you. I could tell you as far as arrearage, as far as just general child support collection, which one are you asking or are you asking both?

Doug Brown: I can give you a percentage-wise, I think as far as general collections I think we’re at 44 percent of everything we could collect. On arrearage, I can check. I can provide you these exact numbers before the day is out if you need them.

Councilmember Abell: I don’t by the time the day is out, but I would like to have them by the time that we finalize the budget.

President Winnecke: If you could give those to Mrs. Deig and she’ll distribute them to everyone. Excuse me, go ahead.

Councilmember Abell: Where is your standing in the state as far as your rating on child support collections?

Councilmember Abell: Well, not to beat on you, but you were second from the end a couple of years ago. Where are you now?

Doug Brown: That was, I think, 2005. I don’t know if they have had a new one come out since then. Again, that is in direct proportion to what we could potentially collect for the entire office, so I think the better way to look at that is what are we collecting per employee, if that make sense to you. I mean, someone could be ranked 30^th and their employees are only collecting $300,000 per employee. If we had more employees, our rating would go up significantly.

Councilmember Abell: Well, I would argue that with you, but that’s fine. Thank you.

President Winnecke: Other questions of Mr. Brown before we move on to the grant? Okay, let’s move on to the grant requests.

Dan Miller: Good morning. My name is Dan Miller and I’m the director of the Drug Law Enforcement Program within the Vanderburgh County Prosecutor’s Office. For over 15 years, our office has received federal funding matched by county funding for three Deputy Prosecutors and one paralegal secretary to handle all the drug cases in the Vanderburgh County Prosecutor’s Office. Last year that number amounted to approximately 906 cases for the entire year. We have been told that, and are fully expecting, that those grant funds are decreasing next year. This year the county match rose to 35 percent. It had previously been 25 percent and we know that next year the county match will have to be 50 percent, in addition to which we have been told to expect 39 percent less funds to be available to even be given out to counties. We are not the only county in Vanderburgh County that receives these federal funds. Several other counties receive them as well and it is quite competitive. We’ve been very successful in applying and receiving these grants in the past and I don’t anticipate that we would not be successful, but we’ve been told that the amount is going to be less and our match will be greater. The Deputy Prosecutors in the drug program are an integral part of the Vanderburgh County Task Force. As drug prosecutors, we’re not just in the courtroom every day prosecuting drug cases. That is our chief function, but we’re also assisting law enforcement through the Task Force and also law enforcement on the street many times all hours of the day and night. In fact, last night I wrote a search warrant at midnight, so the Prosecutor’s staff in the drug program is an integral part in fighting drugs in Vanderburgh County. With respect to a particular scourge in Vanderburgh County and throughout the State of Indiana we have been very active and very successful. In 2002, we had a peak of 121 meth labs in Vanderburgh County. We have, through aggressive law enforcement and prosecution, have managed to reduce that number to just 18 in the first six months of 2006. As you can see, our drug filings remain fairly constant, but we have gone down from a peak of over 1,000 in 2002, last year was 906. We’re on track to at least approach that level again this year. Nevertheless, drugs continue to be a problem for us. If you look at the statistics that we provided you in the first three months of this year, we actually brought more marijuana off the street than last year. That is in part due to two large marijuana drug busts of over 200 pounds each and we’re hoping that is not a regular occurrence in Vanderburgh County, but it is through aggressive law enforcement that we have been able to take that amount of drugs off the street. The Vanderburgh County Prosecutor’s Office assists law enforcement not only by prosecuting the people that they arrest, but also by assisting with the preparation of search warrants and being on call virtually all the time so that legal questions can be answered. We believe that we provide an important service to all the citizens of Vanderburgh County with the drug program and that is the reason we are requesting that the three Deputy Prosecutors and the paralegal secretary that we currently employ to handle over 900 cases in the Prosecutor’s Office be maintained and sustained.

President Winnecke: Anyone like to begin? I’ll start. I mean, what options are there? I mean, if this body decided we could not afford a whatever percent increase it is, it’s a large percent, what are the ramifications in terms of the grant, etc.?

Stan Levco: I think I can probably answer that because that is going to have to be my decision. What clearly is going to have to happen is I’m going to have to lay off at least one person and it looks to me like, you know, right now the obvious thing is to lay somebody off from the drug program which is something I am extremely reluctant to do, but it’s going to mean a cut in staff, I think, with certainty. I don’t see any other way around that.

President Winnecke: Deferral fees that you...that come into your office, what do you project that will be this year?

Stan Levco: For different, you know, various things. But not salaries. Not salaries. I have never used deferral fees for salaries and I don’t expect to.

President Winnecke: Oh, I’m sorry. I thought you were reaching for your microphone. Sorry. Okay, we’ll see you in two weeks.

President Winnecke: We’re going to take a brief recess. How about ten minutes?

President Winnecke: Oh, wait, wait, wait. Excuse me. 177, Pre-Trial Diversion. Sorry about that. This is just the basic three percent increase. Is that it? Any questions there for anyone? Thank you. Now we’ll take a ten minute recess and reconvene.

Steve Owens: Good morning. My name is Steve Owens. I am the Chief Public Defender. In terms of items that we’re asking for additional appropriations this year over last year, there are two that I think we can deal with relatively quickly. One is a rent figure, which is the figure that we’ve been provided by the Building Authority and reflects a rental increase that they have told us we will be seeing. The other is a $500 increase in the training account. I think we asked for a $3,500 appropriation as opposed to a $3,000 appropriation. Primarily, that is to absorb some cost where we anticipate we will have to have in 2007 for training people in death penalty litigation so that we have qualified people on staff who are capable of taking those cases if they are filed. The other three requests that have increased, one is on page 89. That is a salary line item which, unfortunately, I always hate to bring this up – its my salary – that figure reflects the 90% that we have talked about at a number of other meetings to bring us to the 90% level that is mandated by the state Public Defender Commission. That’s 90% of the Prosecutor’s current salary. The other item is a Pauper Expense item which is on page 91. Last year, the Council saw fit to zero us out on Pauper Expense. We have absorbed those expenses this year out of the Supplemental Public Defender account. To the extent that we’ve asked for additional appropriations, its two-fold, one is we are currently paying a number of civil type representation out of the juvenile court from that account, and that is an item that may change in the future, and actually may change before the 2006 budget year, however, at this point, I’m not prepared to say we definitely are going to be able to ask for a reduced amount. The second factor that mandates that we ask for some money is that we currently have a death penalty case within our office. We have not asked for any additional appropriations to fund that. We are able presently to fund that out of the Supplemental Public Defender account, which comes from bonds and not the General Fund. I don’t know how long we will be able to do that. The average cost of the litigation for defense on a trial on a death penalty case is running about a quarter of a million dollars. I anticipate we are going to see the bulk of those expenses in 2007, although I don’t know, we don’t have a trial date at this time, I don’t believe. And so that’s why we are asking for that. The final increase is in a, its on page 90. It is a salary line item. The individual who is holding that salaried position at the present time is a full-time deputy public defender. I think if you’ll note, we are one of the few offices in this county who has no Chief Deputy, who has no assistant or a person who basically is going to help run the office in the event that the officeholder or the elected official is gone. This person handles roughly double the cases of our part-timers. And if you look at the part-time salaries for felony public defenders, you’re going to find that for calendar year 2007, those folks are going to be making, assuming a 3% increase, about $39,000. For that $39,000, they’re going to handle somewhere between 75 and 80 new felony cases on a year, in a calendar year. The person who I’m asking for the increase is handling double that. He’s handling roughly 150 to 160 new felony cases a year yet he’s not making, obviously, double the money. One of the things that he is assisting me with is developing in-house training programs. I would like to use him as almost a quasi Chief Deputy. The difficulty is, if we call this person a Chief Deputy, we run into the same problem with the Public Defender Commission, that we have with my current salary. That is, the Commission mandates that he make 90% of the salary level of the Chief Deputy Prosecutor, which is Mr. Brown. I think for 2007, I’ve calculated that’s going to be somewhere around $87,000 for him to make 90%. What we are proposing is that his salary be increased to $75,000 for 2007 and I’m proposing to fund that by asking that the Council fund 40% of the difference between what his salary would be with the 3% increase and the 75,000, and I will fund the additional 60% out of the Supplemental Public Defender account.

Councilmember Raben: Real quick, Steve, the Deputy Prosecutor in the Prosecutor’s Office , the requested salary this year would be $73,816.

Steve Owens: He gets paid, the Chief Deputy Prosecutor in the Prosecutor’s Office gets paid by the state. His salary from the state, Mr. Brown’s salary from the state is 75% of Mr. Levco’s salary. My understanding is, he gets a supplement. So the person, I think the line item you’re looking at isn’t within the General budget.

Councilmember Sutton: Mr. Owens, the Supplemental Public Defender account, I know the revenue amounts change each year, but approximately how much is that taking in each year in revenue?

Steve Owens: It fluctuates. Its probably $100,000 a year. It goes up and down depending upon the amount of bond forfeitures that are granted by the Circuit and Superior Court judges.

Councilmember Sutton: And how did you say that that is typically used in your office with that account?

Steve Owens: Historically, that’s been used to supplement the Public Defender staff. We have, in any given year, more cases assigned to our office than what our salaried part-time public defenders can handle. That requires us to hire outside counsel on an hourly basis and we use that account to pay for those hourly attorneys.

Councilmember Sutton: So the Public Defenders that you have in your office aren’t supplemented with that, its others who are not presently listed in either part-time or full-time?

Steve Owens: Yeah, they would be contract attorneys. I would hire an individual attorney to take a particular case and under the plan that was submitted to the State Public Defender Commission back in 2000, we have to pay them at the rate of $75 per hour. Its not currently used to supplement any salaries of any salaried people.

Councilmember Sutton: And would you say that, are there any other uses that you have besides the supplementing of the salary area? Would other uses might you have?

Steve Owens: We’ll use it to hire investigators if we need it, we use it to hire experts if we need experts in a particular case. It’s a fund that is used to supplement anything that the Council doesn’t normally provide or anything that we’ve spent in excess of the budgeted amount. So there are a number of things that its used for, but primarily, its attorneys, investigators, expert witnesses.

Councilmember Abell: Have you gone before Job Study regarding the change in the status of this particular Deputy?

Steve Owens: No. I understand there is a Job Study Committee – my understanding was there was going to be a Job Study Committee meeting in, I believe, November and that’s what we were going to do with regard to that individual. He’s presently classified, and we were going to ask, assuming that we get this approved, it is to make that an unclassified position.

President Winnecke: Good morning, Brad. Okay, I think we’d ask you to do the same, if you’d just start with the line items that represent an increase over 2006 funding levels.

Brad Ellsworth: Oh, I don’t want to do that. I’ve got about 22 or so that changed, that I have listed here that we did rationales for. I mean, if you want me to try to list those all?

President Winnecke: Let’s just get them all on the record, if you don’t mind.

Brad Ellsworth: Okay, we prepared the budget based on past practice, some future prediction. The Overtime account is used to provide payment, holiday pay, overtime, late runs the Deputies make, court appearances, investigations, and unscheduled manpower requirements. We’ve got Civilian Overtime, we’ve got 50,000 there, provide payment for holiday pay, overtime for unscheduled manpower requirements, that’s with the ten new employees, civilian employees, that came with the new Jail. We’re asking for an increase allowing us to pay two field training deputies for training of new employees. They’re receiving overtime now and we think we can do that cheaper with two additional FTD’s.

Brad Ellsworth: 1540, that’s really a wash. That is when the paper servers, that’s set in, all part-time labor and that’s set in at a base price. So the $5,000 there is to accommodate them to pay when one is off, we can pay somebody else out of that line. 2210, Gas & Oil, that’s, we’ve obviously implemented in the department some policies and procedures trying to conserve gasoline, but with the prices, they are not bought at a stagnant price, so it fluctuates. And obviously, that’s not going in the right direction. Garage & Motors, that’s 2230, basically, to provide work on our fleet as it ages. 2300, Uniforms for newly hired employees. 2600, printing needs, paper, it used to be provided by the Commissioners and now its in our budget. 2610, Copy Machine Supplies, that’s an additional printer and a couple new copiers for the new facility. 2650 is for Canine Corp, increased food and maintenance for the dogs. 2660 Reserves, we still have an active reserve force. We need to keep them up and equipped to train. 2670, an increase in there. That is an increase in lab testing, the supplies and equipment for investigations. Obviously, there’s some changes in there with the huge increase in computer crimes, keeping those guys up to date and equipment needs for them. 2700 Other Supplies, just miscellaneous supplies. 2760 Court Security, there’s an increase in providing the after hours court building security, and the monitoring service there. 3310, Training, that’s pretty apparent that we’re required to train. We have mandatory hours every year and that’s really not enough for what we provide, so we’ve asked for 30,000 there. 3520 Equipment Repairs, its just for various equipment throughout the department. 3540 Maintenance Contracts, service contracts for the agency. Equipment Lease and Rental, 3630, increase in leases. 3700, Dues & Subscriptions, provide for the updated manuals and current publications. 3920 Youth Development, that goes in to help supplement the DARE program. 4230, Motor Vehicles, we’re asking to replace approximately ten vehicles this year. And 4250, under Miscellaneous Equipment, that again, is to use for miscellaneous equipment throughout the department. And Vehicle Equipment, 4290, that’s to put the light bars, radios, sirens, and the equipment on the vehicle once they come in.