President Jerrel: I'd like to call the Vanderburgh County Commissioners' meeting to order. At this time I would like to introduce to you the people that are before you. On my far right is Tony Greubel, our Superintendent of County Buildings; Joe Harrison, Jr., with the red face, is our County Attorney, red from playing golf; Pat Tuley, County Commissioner; Charlene Timmons, Recording Secretary; Suzanne Crouch, Auditor; Richard Mourdock, Commissioner; and my name is Bettye Lou Jerrel. Would you join me in the Pledge of Allegiance?
 

Approval of minutes

President Jerrel: We have a relatively short meeting and yet we have some important information, so the first item on the agenda is the approval of the minutes.

Commissioner Mourdock: I'll move approval of the minutes of the meeting of January...I'm sorry, of June 7th and Pat wasn't here.

President Jerrel: And I'll second and say so ordered.
 

Jerry Bryan - City/County Purchasing

President Jerrel: The next item on the agenda is Jerry Bryan, Purchasing Department. 

Jerry Bryan: Okay, we have given you the tabulation sheets for the Vanderburgh County 99-22. It's a new 4x4 pickup that was properly advertised and we opened the bids and now they are tabulated. We recommend that D-Patrick Ford be awarded the bid at $22,970.25. A good price advantage over Expressway Dodge and Kenny Kent. Erik has told me that he has been out and driven this truck, that as well as the Expressway Dodge truck and both are satisfactory and we recommend that D-Patrick Ford truck be awarded the bid. 

Commissioner Mourdock: Neither one of these trucks shake or vibrate then? I'll move that we approve the bid as requested.

Commissioner Tuley: Second.

President Jerrel: So ordered.

Jerry Bryan: Thank you.

President Jerrel: Thank you.
 

Rose Zigenfus - EUTS

President Jerrel: The next item on the agenda, Rose Zigenfus. 

Rose Zigenfus: Thank you, Ms. President. I'm here to give you a project update and a second handout on ways to manage access on local streets. Fulton Avenue, as you know the construction activities on the bridge have begun. We're hoping that the Fulton Avenue road widening project can get on an October letting so I haven't heard anything final on that yet. Warrick County, Newburgh truck bypass, a draft report outlining the alternative alignments and potential costs for each alternative has been submitted to INDOT. That's the truck bypass that is going to run between the Lloyd Expressway and 662 right at about the Ellerbusch Road area where the traffic signal is for Mulzer, due north and in that area, okay. Telephone Road, that project has received design approval. On the state projects, 662, the resurfacing project from the signal that I am talking about at Ellerbusch to State Road 66 is complete through Newburgh, that resurfacing through that whole area. Congestion Mitigation Air Quality projects, Morgan Avenue/Green River Road intersection. The PE report has been submitted to INDOT for approval. State Road 62 and St. Joe intersection INDOT has determined that the project does not meet the minimum requirements for a public hearing. The project may proceed to final design. That's an intersection improvement to add southbound double left and a westbound dedicated right turn lane. It's a CMAQ project. 

President Jerrel: St. Joe, 62 and St. Joe?

Rose Zigenfus: Lloyd and St. Joe. State Road 66/Vann Avenue intersection. A preliminary field check has been scheduled for June 24th. That's also for the CMAQ project.

President Jerrel: Before we leave the Congestion Mitigation and Air Quality, what about Mt. Pleasant and Morgan Avenue and Burkhardt? 

Rose Zigenfus: Okay, Mt. Pleasant and 41 we're trying to coordinate the design with INDOT and we're working with John on that. We don't have anything back from INDOT as to whether or not...I guess there was a question on where the project limits were. Whether you go before the railroad or beyond the railroad to tie into the project that you're doing, so we're waiting to hear from Vincennes on that. 

Commissioner Mourdock: Is the question though, Bettye Lou, as you started the question about CMAQ, is the question do those projects qualify for CMAQ?

President Jerrel: Well, Morgan does, but I don't know. There was some talk about Mt. Pleasant also.

Rose Zigenfus: Mt. Pleasant is also a CMAQ. The intersection work is also a CMAQ project.

Commissioner Mourdock: Okay.

President Jerrel: It would be nice if we could get those done right at the same time instead of going back. 

Rose Zigenfus: That's what we hope.

President Jerrel: What about Morgan?

Rose Zigenfus: Morgan and Burkhardt or Green River?

President Jerrel: Burkhardt.

Rose Zigenfus: I haven't talked to John. I don't know if the right-of-way has been cleared yet. 

President Jerrel: No, we still have one--

Rose Zigenfus: It hasn't? Okay.

Commissioner Mourdock: The right-of-way with the railroad? 

Joe Harrison, Jr.: No, there is some other property on the north side of Morgan at Burkhardt.

Rose Zigenfus: At Morgan, right. I think that from what John said that's the holdup on that, but that is also a CMAQ and can be done with CMAQ funds.

President Jerrel: Right. Can we...one more question about that. I'm just thinking about budgeting. If we...that money that has been allocated for CMAQ projects and we don't have a design or a finalization is there any way that we can kind of encumber that?

Rose Zigenfus: Yes. Well, that money is set aside for us. I mean, we get a dedicated fund unlike other funding sources. That is set aside for us.

President Jerrel: Right, okay so that is going to be a go whenever?

Rose Zigenfus: Yes, right.

President Jerrel: Okay. 

Rose Zigenfus: Yeah, that money is there. The other thing I gave you is ten ways to access your network. This is a fine example and it has been taken from one of the national publications. They recommend a series of ways to try to control and provide for efficient flow throughout your areas. Especially in those areas where you're getting new subdivisions and northern Vanderburgh County is one of those. This is Old State Road. This is Baseline and 41 is here with a traffic signal. You've adopted the plan for northern Vanderburgh County which includes this much of the plan that you see here. What we're suggesting is that we be able to develop a network beyond this as residential subdivisions come in for development. What prompted us to begin to think about this a little more seriously is the subdivision that is before us now and will go to Plan Commission the beginning of July and it takes in this area right here and kind of wraps around the school that sits right here, Scott School. There is one access to the subdivision, it's 103 lots. We're recommending that there be interconnection to the west so that it can tie in with Peck Road and that ultimately it should be able to tie into Baseline through other developments as they come to us for residential use.

President Jerrel: What about in the extreme northern part is it Volkman Road, is that the one where the--

Rose Zigenfus: Yes, I believe this is Volkman Road right here. 

President Jerrel: You were recommending that we try to widen that? 

Rose Zigenfus: Yeah, widen it. It's going to need some improvement here at 41. This is where the golf course and that 500 unit development is going.

Commissioner Mourdock: And are you recommending on Peck that that be widened also then to make up--

Rose Zigenfus: Eventually that is going to need to be upgraded because that is very narrow.

Commissioner Mourdock: Right.

President Jerrel: Which one is that?

Commissioner Mourdock: Peck is the red line.

Rose Zigenfus: The red line. That can't be more than 16 or 18 feet maximum.

Commissioner Mourdock: If you look at this map and look at that specific area and I know you're just using this as kind of a generic example, but this is one of those areas where very quickly I think you're going to lose a buffer zone. You've got residential, certainly on the east side of Peck around the school where Rose was pointing before where that is growing up and yet over off 41 the new industrial park is going in at the corner of Baseline and 41 and is going to start taking industrial or at the very least commercial back towards the east. I don't see any logical way that you're going to buffer one to the other and I don't know that there is a way, but that's one of the continuing problems that's out there. 

Rose Zigenfus: For this whole area.

Commissioner Mourdock: And even using Peck Road if you were to do it today, should it be done to be upgraded for some commercial type use or just the residential use? I mean you could pick today and five years from now be totally wrong.

President Jerrel: Well, in the case of Volkman we know though it's going to have more traffic.

Commissioner Mourdock: That's true. That area seems to be destine more residential and more traffic.

President Jerrel: We're in a situation where we're trying to identify projects we can complete in our, like you say, in our lifetime. Let's get it done and pay for it. So the challenge you have we chose Mt. Pleasant and now we've allocated the funds for that and we're looking at additional funding and we'll probably have a good idea where it is in the next week or two and that's where we need to go next and right-of-way is the big issue. You know, you can't build anything until you've got some place to build it.

Commissioner Mourdock: And let me add one other quick thought with that as far as the planning side of it. It wasn't too long ago that we were sitting in this room looking at a map similar to this and talking about a new east/west corridor somewhere through this section.

President Jerrel: Right.

Commissioner Mourdock: And if we're going to do...I see your reaction, Rose, I read your body language here.

Rose Zigenfus: Sorry.

Commissioner Mourdock: Yeah, I mean if we are going to put all those new houses up there on Volkman should Volkman be that road for the east/west corridor? If that's going to be--

President Jerrel: Well, where is Baseline?

Commissioner Mourdock: Baseline is that red line. You know, the point whether it is Baseline, whether it is Volkman with all those new houses coming on Volkman, if it's going to be that now is the time to start making those decisions for planning.

President Jerrel: Sure.

Commissioner Mourdock: Or if it is going to be a totally different road that's not on that map which might be easier for property acquisition, but might not be too easy politically.

Rose Zigenfus: This is really an old map. This is Stacer Road right here. 

President Jerrel: There is nothing that really lines up well is there that goes across 41 and keeps going? 

Rose Zigenfus: No. Baseline is the only thing that does that in this area. Boonville-New Harmony Road does and that's the only other one further down. Inglefield stops short here.

Commissioner Mourdock: But Boonville-New Harmony...yeah.

Rose Zigenfus: Darmstadt Road.

Commissioner Mourdock: Yeah, Boonville-New Harmony, I think, just as a non starter simply because it is such a curving, winding route. I mean, it's not what we want to get traffic from the east side to the west side, but Baseline, that may be more appropriate for discussion. If you were to have Baseline go all the way over to, what...? Green River, I guess? 

Joe Harrison, Jr.: Yeah.

Rose Zigenfus: Um, yeah I guess. Well, yes, all the way over to 57 at least. 

Commissioner Mourdock: And then where would it go?

Joe Harrison, Jr.: How far west?

Rose Zigenfus: And then it would tie into the interstate. 

Joe Harrison, Jr.: How far west does it go?

Commissioner Mourdock: Baseline?

Rose Zigenfus: Baseline?

Commissioner Tuley: County Line Road. It's only got one or two curves west of 41. It's not too bad. 

Rose Zigenfus: I guess, you know, my intention tonight is to just make you aware that there is some type of network we are kind of looking for. I know subdivisions don't come here, but I think that we need to...I mean, other than for drainage.

President Jerrel: Right.

Commissioner Mourdock: No, but they'll end up coming here eventually if we don't have the roads right.

Rose Zigenfus: Right, but our plan...our hope is, but we're meeting resistance from the developers for interconnection. Nobody wants to do that and so we're fighting that battle.

President Jerrel: We may need to have another meeting with them. The last one was a good one and maybe if they see the issues that we're facing and that we're not just talking about a project that is going to be done 25 years from now. We're talking about a project that can be done within the next two years. 

Commissioner Tuley: Rose, you're talking about commercial or residential developers you're having trouble with?

Rose Zigenfus: Developers...residential developers.

Commissioner Tuley: Yeah, they want one in and only one in. 

Rose Zigenfus: They want their own little community.

President Jerrel: Yeah. 

Commissioner Mourdock: I understand that's what they want, but that isn't necessarily the best big picture planning. I mean, we can look at various spots on the east side where developers got what they wanted, but it didn't necessarily lead to the right kind of traffic flow and our job is to look beyond what the developers want to see what the community really needs and what is going to be best in the long term and that's just the fight we have to fight.

President Jerrel: I think that a lot of the things the Commissioners do are important, but that's the most important thing we do.

Commissioner Mourdock: Absolutely.

President Jerrel: So if we didn't do anything else--

Commissioner Tuley: That's how we got started, wasn't it, road Commissioners?

Commissioner Mourdock: Yep, roads and bridges.

President Jerrel: Well, anyway, put your thinking cap on. 

Commissioner Mourdock: And I will be continually interested to see what you would recommend, Rose, and what this Board could act on for that east/west corridor realizing, Bettye Lou as you said, it's not something that necessarily is going to happen tomorrow whereas Mt. Pleasant obviously you can do in a much shorter time frame and I agree needs to be done, but if we put together a plan now to start laying out if it's additional right-of-way acquisition along an existing road or something even more visionary than that I think we need to start down that road so we can budget for it year after year after year.

President Jerrel: Right.

Rose Zigenfus: To go along with your right-of-way discussion as these developments come in we ask for right-of-way to be donated so that we can--

President Jerrel: Absolutely.

Rose Zigenfus: They are really responsive to that. 

President Jerrel: Well, any time that you feel that it would be beneficial to bring them together and have one meeting where we could discuss I think it's healthy. I think that was a good meeting we had.

Commissioner Tuley: I think as long as when you do that and they know in advance when they're coming in that this is the kind of things they're going to be confronted with it seems to have worked well on that corridor out there on the east side now.

Commissioner Mourdock: Oh, yeah. 

President Jerrel: Very well.

Commissioner Tuley: You're not getting a lot of resistance, I don't think, are you?

President Jerrel: No.

Commissioner Tuley: I mean, they know when they go in there this is what is going to be expected.

Rose Zigenfus: Exactly.

President Jerrel: That's right.

Rose Zigenfus: And we can point to the plan and say this is it and this is what--

President Jerrel: Well, I think it's fine whenever you feel it would be helpful to get them together. We could just devote one meeting to discussing these issues with them.

Rose Zigenfus: I think that's great. I appreciate your help.

President Jerrel: Also, before you leave I know we've got some planning to do on our grant. I want to thank you for your efforts. There is another grant going to be ready in July.

Rose Zigenfus: We're trying to find out what the deadline is for that. 

President Jerrel: I think the 28th.

Commissioner Mourdock: It's pretty late in the month, yeah.

President Jerrel: Yeah.

Commissioner Mourdock: Do we know at this point with that, was it $400,000, what kind of perimeters we're working under as far as expenditures? Bettye Lou, you and I have had some brief communications with the question.

President Jerrel: Right.

Commissioner Mourdock: I don't know, have we got any answers as far as exactly--

Rose Zigenfus: You mean as far as the scope of work?

Commissioner Mourdock: Yeah.

Rose Zigenfus: According to what we put together in the grant application those are the only guidelines at this point. The grant is open, vague enough that we can write our own scope of work and that is what we need to do.

President Jerrel: And I think they'll be watching us--

Rose Zigenfus: Closely.

President Jerrel: --since we were...it was very competitive and I think they'll be watching how we use this and regionally use it and I hope we can communicate with the surrounding counties and they can buy into this. All of them that touch us.

Rose Zigenfus: It's to our advantage.

Commissioner Mourdock: That is somewhat where I was going with the question. I know I've seen a couple of thoughts on paper. Do we have a pretty good process in place to define who will be defining the scope for which we'll be spending that money? I know there has been some ideas kicked around. 

President Jerrel: Well, I think Rose wants to hear from us.

Commissioner Mourdock: Okay.

President Jerrel: As well as your committee that gets appointed.

Rose Zigenfus: Right, have you shared that list?

President Jerrel: I have, yes.

Commissioner Mourdock: Yeah, it has been circulated. It may be in Pat's box now.

President Jerrel: It's moving around. But we would, I mean, we probably need to sit down and have a little working session to get moving. 

Rose Zigenfus: I'm ready.

President Jerrel: Okay. 

Commissioner Mourdock: Thanks, Rose.

President Jerrel: Thanks, Rose, very much for coming. 
 

Award bid - VC99-06-01, Boonville-New Harmony Road culvert replacement and rehabilitation at Buente Creek

President Jerrel: Okay, County Engineer is not here this evening.

Commissioner Tuley: Right, he is not even going to be here. 

President Jerrel: In the packet there are some things that we need to do. I think if you all could just do them.

Commissioner Mourdock: Sure, we have in our packet a recommendation to award bid VC99-06-01 for culvert replacement and to advertise a Notice to Bidders for VC99-06-02 which is the Virginia Street extension, so I'll move that we do both of those. 

President Jerrel: We're going to award a bid first.

Joe Harrison, Jr.: Yeah, and that was T-D & O, LLC for the culvert replacement and rehab on Boonville-New Harmony Road over Buente Creek.

Commissioner Mourdock: Okay, let me state it more correctly there. I just will move that we award the bid for VC99-06-01 for culvert replacement and rehab on the Boonville-New Harmony Road over Buente Creek to T-D & O, LLC.

Commissioner Tuley: Second.

President Jerrel: So ordered.
 

Notice to Bidders - VC99-06-02, Virginia Street extension

Commissioner Mourdock: And then the second part is I would move that we go ahead and advertise for bid VC99-06-02 for the Virginia Street extension.

Commissioner Tuley: Second.

President Jerrel: So ordered. And that one will be wonderful.

Commissioner Mourdock: Yes.

President Jerrel: That will be finished by late fall and all those people...we're going to take all that horrible traffic congestion right off the Lloyd and people can just move back and forth. 
 

Any group or individual wishing to address the Commission

President Jerrel: Okay, moving right along is there anyone here that would like to speak to us? You guys just working on badges?

Unidentified: Citizenship in the community.

President Jerrel: Well, we're very happy to have you. What is your first name?

Unidentified: Andrew.

President Jerrel: Andrew. Okay, Andrew. We're glad to have you with us and you're going to get your badge, right?

Unidentified: Uh-huh.

President Jerrel: Good. Mr. Alvey, are you working on any kind of badge?

Unidentified: Yeah, my good citizenship.

President Jerrel: Okay, very good. You can just sit and listen then. 
 

Erik Bentle - Superintendent of County Garage

President Jerrel: County Engineer isn't here. County Garage.

Erik Bentle: We've finished outer Darmstadt Road and Nuebling and we're in the process of doing some surface work on Mann Road. Our chart is getting bigger by the day, so we're moving right along. 

President Jerrel: Good.

Erik Bentle: You've got my attendance sheets?

President Jerrel: Yes.

Erik Bentle: My weekly worksheets.

Commissioner Tuley: I appreciate those. Those are nice.

President Jerrel: Yeah, they really are. That's good.

Erik Bentle: And I believe you've got the paving totals and the ditch totals. That's all I have.

Commissioner Mourdock: I noticed we were doing a bunch of paving on...was it Browning Road?

Erik Bentle: No, outer Darmstadt.

Commissioner Mourdock: No.

President Jerrel: That's contracted.

Suzanne Crouch: Petersburg.

Commissioner Mourdock: Petersburg, that's right.

Erik Bentle: Petersburg, that's contracted. Yeah, that's the two we contracted out, that and Old State. 

Commissioner Tuley: I also noticed your truck the other day with the logos on it and I appreciate that.

Erik Bentle: No problem.

Commissioner Mourdock: And don't forget those new trucks get the logos, too.

Erik Bentle: Yeah, first day.

Commissioner Mourdock: I'll move acceptance of the report from the County Garage.

Commissioner Tuley: Second. 

President Jerrel: So ordered.

Commissioner Mourdock: Also, Erik, before I forget it I sent something out your way.

Erik Bentle: I got it. He is going to contact me Tuesday.

Commissioner Mourdock: Okay, very good. 
 

Joe Harrison, Jr. - County Attorney

President Jerrel: Alright, County Attorney.

Joe Harrison, Jr.: The only thing I have I think John may have put this agreement in the file for signature purposes. It's a contract between SIGECO and the county in connection with the pump station...electrical service for the pump station out on the Daylight sewer project. The agreement essentially states that the county will either pay or cause to be paid $31,974 over three years and that can be by customer usage. If not the county would have to make up that difference after three years. Also, the county will be receiving a portion of the tap-in for tap-ins that take place once the project is complete and hopefully the fund, if there is any shortfall, those funds can be used to pay off any difference if there is a difference to be made up in three years.

President Jerrel: Did you speak with John today?

Joe Harrison, Jr.: Yes.

President Jerrel: After he talked to me?

Joe Harrison, Jr.: No. I don't know when he talked to you. I talked to him this morning around 10:00.

President Jerrel: Okay, he and I had a conversation. I met with Norb Woolley Friday and Monday and they haven't been able to get together. We thought perhaps we could go ahead and sign this, but not submit it until John can meet with him tomorrow or Wednesday. 

Joe Harrison, Jr.: That's fine. What you're saying is maybe we won't have to do this?

President Jerrel: That's right.

Joe Harrison, Jr.: But certainly if we have to do it let's get it signed.

President Jerrel: Yeah, get it signed.

Joe Harrison, Jr.: And not delay this part of the process because it has to get hooked up.

President Jerrel: Okay, because I spoke to him and he seemed willing to interact, so maybe we might be able to work out something.

Joe Harrison, Jr.: What she is saying is it's possible the city utility may sign the agreement instead of us. They were balking at signing it so the county had to do it and if something is changed SIGECO just won't sign this and they'll enter into a new one separately with the city.

President Jerrel: It may not work, but we want to give it try.

Commissioner Mourdock: I'll move then that we sign the agreement and conditionally have it held pursuant to that remark. 

Commissioner Tuley: Second.

President Jerrel: So ordered. Is there anything else?

Joe Harrison, Jr.: That's all I have.
 

Tony Greubel - Superintendent of County Buildings

President Jerrel: Superintendent of County Buildings.

Tony Greubel: Yeah, later this week the Indiana Consortium of State and Local Human Rights Agencies is having their annual conference here in Evansville over at the Radisson. Floyd Edwards asked if the Commissioners could do like a greeting letter to them, so I wrote...actually Becky Pike wrote one up for us and I have it on your seats today.

Commissioner Mourdock: I'll move acceptance of the letter.

Commissioner Tuley: Second.

President Jerrel: So ordered.

Tony Greubel: That's all I have.

President Jerrel: Tony is going to be a new father this week.

Commissioner Mourdock: Oh.

President Jerrel: I just thought you all ought to know. I never know whether he is going to be here or not. Any day now right?

Tony Greubel: Any day, yeah. My mother-in-law comes in tomorrow. 

Commissioner Mourdock: Ah.

President Jerrel: That's from Japan. When she comes in she comes in from a long way away.
 

Steve Craig - Burdette Park

President Jerrel: Okay, Burdette Park.

Steve Craig: Good afternoon. We're working on our budget right now and I was wondering if any of the Commissioners had some words of wisdom for me or if they would like to sit down and discuss any parts of it?

President Jerrel: I'd like to go over it with you, not that I have any words of wisdom, but I just like to be able to, you know, share the information.

Commissioner Mourdock: I'll certainly let Bettye Lou take the lead on that. She loves those budget issues, I know. The question I have on the budget you've got coming up this year, Steve, with what the State Legislature was doing on the new building and everything what are you looking at there?

Steve Craig: You mean what are we going to ask for for the new building?

Commissioner Mourdock: Right, do you know the status yet?

Steve Craig: We talked about that. We didn't know if we should ask for what we asked for in the past or try to--

President Jerrel: Did you ever hear from Lilly yet?

Steve Craig: Yes.

President Jerrel: Oh, okay. We didn't get it.

Steve Craig: Today I did, it's bad.

President Jerrel: I think we need to go again. You know, that's an interesting process, that Build Indiana money. Do you know how it works? 

Commissioner Tuley: Huh-uh.

President Jerrel: Each legislator...Suzanne, explain that to us. You researched it for me because I think it's...I didn't have any idea. 

Suzanne Crouch: I don't know the exact figures, but I believe the party in power gets about $222,000 each member to allocate to whatever projects they want to allocate it to and then the...gosh, don't quote me on the numbers because I'm not one hundred percent sure. The minority members get a lesser amount. I can't remember exactly what that is. They kind of do a give and take process, so one legislator, the ones in this area, they may decide that the Rehab Center is important and the Rehab Center is requesting, say, half a million dollars so they'll kind of get together among themselves and decide how much each one of them are going to give out of their allocated amount. Then once that is all decided then they notify the groups that have been allocated the money and then they have to apply to the committee to actually receive the funds and they have to be able to show that they are ready to spend the money. They only allocate $2 million per party per different houses so they only allocate $8 million per month and if you, say Vanderburgh County, Burdette, would apply for the money to be spent maybe in August and they've already had $8 million worth of request then you would just be put on the next months hearing for your money, so you know whenever you are ready you need to go ahead and get your request in because there may be kind of a lag. The money can be encumbered to the next year. It doesn't disappear if you don't spend it so what happens is a lot of the people that are requesting money will request some one year and then they turn around and request some more the following year until they get enough for their project that they want. It's kind of an interesting process.

Steve Craig: That wasn't the way I had understood it.

President Jerrel: It was never presented that way. I thought you just put out the request and this Board did it, but that's not the way it works at all.

Suzanne Crouch: And interestingly enough when we were trying to find out if it was $145,000 or if it was $95,000 or what it exactly was no one really knew what portion of their different budgets had been...or their share had been allocated towards Burdette. I mean, they didn't know if it came from Lutz or from Becker.

Joe Harrison, Jr.: How much was it?

Suzanne Crouch: It's $145,000. Ninety came from--

Steve Craig: Greg Server.

Suzanne Crouch: --Greg Server and--

Steve Craig: Vaneta Becker we got $50,000 from. 

Suzanne Crouch: Right.

Steve Craig: No.

Suzanne Crouch: Or $95,000 and $50,000.

Steve Craig: Ninety-five and $50,000 is what it was.

Suzanne Crouch: Correct, but nobody knew whose pot it had come from exactly.

President Jerrel: We need to think that through.

Suzanne Crouch: And, in fact, there are some people--

President Jerrel: Because there are five others that we can get some money from.

Commissioner Tuley: I was going to say we've got some more who've got some money.

Suzanne Crouch: There are some people that actually get more than they request because they put in a request--

Commissioner Mourdock: They know how to wheel and deal.

Suzanne Crouch: --and they get it from this legislator and that legislator.

President Jerrel: I guarantee we'll know next...we'll know what we're doing next year.

Steve Craig: Yeah, because that wasn't the way I understood it when we had talked to the people because we had called up there and they didn't explain it to me that way.

President Jerrel: I don't think they really probably put that explanation out on the street.

Commissioner Mourdock: Oh, I don't think they do. I doubt that this was even written down on any piece of paper.

Joe Harrison, Jr.: They probably don't want it out.

Commissioner Mourdock: This is not a policy, this is a practice. 

President Jerrel: Our Auditor ferreted out that information.

Commissioner Mourdock: Nice going, Suzanne.

Suzanne Crouch: BJ did it.

Steve Craig: It's a new way to look at it and approach it.

Suzanne Crouch: She spent a lot of time on the phone.

Commissioner Mourdock: Our compliments to BJ. That's important information.

President Jerrel: We need to think that through. We'll, Morley, they're working on some things right now.

Steve Craig: Right, we still have to meet with Barbara Cunningham.

Commissioner Mourdock: You said, Morley, Jim Morley?

President Jerrel: Morley.

Commissioner Mourdock: I thought you said morally they're working on it.

Commissioner Tuley: That's what I thought you said, too.

Commissioner Mourdock: Which makes this procedure sound real bad.

President Jerrel: No, it's all very clean. 

Steve Craig: Oh, and did you have any contact with Barbara Cunningham?

President Jerrel: Yes, and if you want to get together Wednesday, that would be okay with you?

Steve Craig: Yep.

President Jerrel: About 9:00.

Steve Craig: That would be fine.

President Jerrel: We've got to comply with all the rules, too.

Steve Craig: Yeah. Suzanne, one question. Is the budget supposed to be in Friday? 

Suzanne Crouch: On the record?

Steve Craig: Yes.

Suzanne Crouch: Well, you know as soon as you can. We had requested Friday but we understand that some--

Steve Craig: Well, we're working on it and I think we might have to put some hours in to get it all done.

Suzanne Crouch: Well, we understand that some departments have a little more complicated budgets. The sooner we get them in--

Steve Craig: Well, the budget probably wouldn't be, it's just everything else is complicated. We're just busy right now.

Suzanne Crouch: Yeah.

President Jerrel: Have things been going well?

Steve Craig: They've been good, real good. The Day Camp is sold out this session and sold out the next. I think the fourth and fifth has got a couple of openings, but that's about it. We're turning people away.

Suzanne Crouch: Do you need any help? Is there any information we can provide?

Steve Craig: On the budget?

Suzanne Crouch: Uh-huh.

Steve Craig: I haven't come up with anything. I talked to Joyce a couple of times and was presenting her some of the stuff, but if we do we'll sure call you. I've got to get hold of Jim Raben, I guess, too. That would probably be afterwards. He is still our liaison.

President Jerrel: Right. Well, I'll just see you Wednesday. 

Steve Craig: Can we make Wednesday a double meeting?

President Jerrel: Sure, 9:00?

Steve Craig: Yeah, and then we'll talk about that.

President Jerrel: Okay, we'll do it all on Wednesday. 

Steve Craig: Yeah.

President Jerrel: John Stoll and I are going to do all the other stuff and Erik and I are going to...we're just busier than cranberry merchants. Is there a motion to accept Steve's report?

Commissioner Mourdock: So moved.

Commissioner Tuley: Second.

President Jerrel: So ordered.

Steve Craig: Thank you.

President Jerrel: Thank you very much.
 

Weekly reports

Commissioner Mourdock: For the record we had here also on the agenda the Soil & Water Conservation District report, but I did not have one on my folder. Did you get one from them?

President Jerrel: No, I didn't, but I--

Tony Greubel: I don't think we got one this week.

President Jerrel: And we have Joanne's.

Commissioner Mourdock: Yeah, we do have the Ozone Officer's report, so I'll move acceptance of that report as well.

Commissioner Tuley: Second.

President Jerrel: So ordered.
 

Consent items

President Jerrel: Are there any questions about the consent items? If not, can I have a motion?

Commissioner Mourdock: So moved.

Commissioner Tuley: Second.

President Jerrel: So ordered.

Commissioner Tuley: There was...was there a late addition? It seems like I saw a copy of something over here. Was it a travel request?

Charlene Timmons: It was a travel request for Bettye Lou.

Commissioner Tuley: It was a travel request for Bettye Lou.

President Jerrel: Yeah, I'm going to do the census meeting in Indianapolis. Barbara is serving as our...Barbara Cunningham is serving as our city/county--

Commissioner Tuley: Was that a late addition, too?

President Jerrel: I don't know.

Commissioner Tuley: Health Department.

President Jerrel: Health Department.

Tony Greubel: Yeah, that's a Health Department grant.

President Jerrel: Okay.

Tony Greubel: That was submitted today late. 

President Jerrel: Okay, well we'll include that also. But, anyway, Barbara couldn't go so I'm going to drive up next Tuesday. 

Commissioner Tuley: That's fine.

Commissioner Mourdock: Were both of those in on time then, yours and the one you just had?

President Jerrel: Uh-huh.

Commissioner Mourdock: Okay, we don't need to modify it?

President Jerrel: Right.

Commissioner Mourdock: Okay.

Commissioner Tuley: So we had a motion and I'll second.

President Jerrel: And I'll say so ordered.
 

Old business

President Jerrel: Is there any old business? 

Commissioner Tuley: No.

Commissioner Mourdock: Did we formally send off to Graham Toft our members?

Tony Greubel: Yeah, that has been sent. I haven't heard anything from them. I know Posey County...I sent...the letter I sent to Graham Toft I cc to all the other surrounding County Commissioners, but I haven't heard anything from other Commissioners. I've been thinking about that, too. I might give them a call if you like.

Commissioner Mourdock: Do either of you know the lady who is now the head of the local Red Cross? She was suggested to me as a possible member on that Board. 

President Jerrel: Trish?

Commissioner Mourdock: I think that's the name. What's the last name?

President Jerrel: DeVoy. Trish DeVoy. She is very good.

Commissioner Mourdock: I don't know her. She was suggested to me as someone we might want to contact for that board because she knows--

President Jerrel: I think we need a list of technical people, so anybody that we can come up with to add to send up there. 

Commissioner Tuley: And my guy that was going to soon be unemployed--

President Jerrel: Uh-huh.

Commissioner Tuley: --he went to work for Old National Bank so now they've got two seats on there.

President Jerrel: Oh. 

Commissioner Tuley: Which I had no way of knowing he was going to look at Old National.

President Jerrel: Right.

Commissioner Tuley: I don't know if that will cause a conflict.

President Jerrel: Oh, well, it will work itself out. 
 

New business

President Jerrel: Just one thing under new or old, would you want me to invite the Director of the Public Defender Commission to come and present and maybe answer questions about those issues at one of our Commissioners' meeting say in July if possible or August? 

Commissioner Mourdock: I think that would be very helpful.

Commissioner Tuley: Yeah.

Commissioner Mourdock: Yeah, I would like to learn more about that issue and quite honestly I don't know much at this point.

President Jerrel: I think we could do a list of questions and he would do a very good job of answering them and I thought we could invite the judges because I think there is some confusion on their parts about, you know, what the public defenders can do, how many cases, you know, and that sort of thing and that would be one way of answering those questions. Let the Council come.

Commissioner Mourdock: Sure. Should we do that or are you suggesting we do that as a special meeting?

President Jerrel: Well, I thought...I hadn't thought that far. I thought maybe Tony could just keep everything else off the agenda sort of and these guys wouldn't come that night unless they wanted to hear it and we would just sort of focus on the Public Defender Commission.

Commissioner Mourdock: Either way is fine with me.

Commissioner Tuley: And with me the same way.

President Jerrel: Okay, well I'll just follow through by calling him. 

Commissioner Tuley: I want to back up on something if you don't mind. You said old business and it made me think of something. I noticed in the minutes last week you guys were talking about getting Veazey Parrott and Dan Hoefling in here. 

Joe Harrison, Jr.: Next week.

Commissioner Tuley: Oh, is that next week?

President Jerrel: Yeah.

Joe Harrison, Jr.: Next Monday. 

President Jerrel: We haven't seen it.

Commissioner Tuley: Yeah, I know. I think it's a great idea.

President Jerrel: It would be a good idea.

Commissioner Tuley: I just wanted to see if it got set up. It has.

Commissioner Mourdock: Yeah, the first ribbon cutting is not very far off.

Commissioner Tuley: Yeah, I know.

President Jerrel: No, we're ready to roll.

Commissioner Mourdock: It seems like it has been forever, but if the schedule is to be met it is coming quickly.

President Jerrel: Yes.

Joe Harrison, Jr.: Yeah, they're on schedule.

President Jerrel: Okay, is there a motion to adjourn?

Commissioner Mourdock: So moved.

Commissioner Tuley: Second.

President Jerrel: So ordered.

The meeting was adjourned at 6:15 p.m.

Those in attendance:

Bettye Lou Jerrel Richard E. Mourdock

Patrick Tuley Joe Harrison, Jr.

Suzanne M. Crouch Charlene Timmons

Tony Greubel Jerry Bryan

Rose Zigenfus Erik Bentle

Steve Craig Others unidentified

Members of the media
 
 

Vanderburgh County
Board of Commissioners

Bettye Lou Jerrel, President

Richard E. Mourdock, Vice President

Patrick Tuley, Member
 

Recorded and transcribed by Charlene Timmons.