VANDERBURGH COUNTY

BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS

JULY 12, 2011

The Vanderburgh County Board of Commissioners met in session this 12^th day of July, 2011 at 5:00 p.m. in room 301 of the Civic Center Complex with President Lloyd Winnecke presiding.

President Winnecke: Good evening. I would like to welcome you to the July 12, 2011 meeting of the Vanderburgh County Board of Commissioners. We’ll begin with attendance roll call please.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Abell?

Commissioner Abell: Here.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Melcher?

Commissioner Melcher: Here.

Madelyn Grayson: President Winnecke?

President Winnecke: Here.

President Winnecke: Would you please stand and join in the Pledge of Allegiance?

(The Pledge of Allegiance was given.)

President Winnecke: Thank you.

President Winnecke: First we’ll begin with permission to open bids for VC11-06-01, the U.S. 41 and Baseline Road intersection. I would entertain a motion to approve.

Commissioner Melcher: So moved.

Commissioner Abell: Second.

President Winnecke: A motion and a second. Questions or discussion? All in favor say aye.

All Commissioners: Aye.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Winnecke: Okay, Mr. Ziemer, you may open the bids.

President Winnecke: First under action items, Mr. Nichols. Welcome.

Ralph Nichols: Thank you very much. If I had known I was going to be appearing this evening, I would have been a little more formal.

President Winnecke: That’s alright, as warm as it is–

Ralph Nichols: I found out this morning.

President Winnecke: –you’re absolutely fine.

Ralph Nichols: I found out this morning that I was on the agenda. I’m here just for two reasons. I am the, I was getting ready to say I’m the Executive Director of Mulberry Center, but not anymore. I’m stepping down, and in my new capacity I will just be seeing folks at Mulberry Center. After I get done with just a quick briefing on the Burdette Park incident, I want to introduce my new boss and the new Executive Director to the County Commissioners. Primarily what I wanted to share with you, I received a call last Tuesday from Sandie Deig asking if I could go to Burdette Park and meet with the lifeguards, the Park Manager, and, I believe, the Pool Manager in response to the near tragic drowning of a three year old at Burdette Park last Sunday, a week ago. I did go on Wednesday at 6:30, and my point to the Commissioners is that you could certainly take a great deal of pride with the lifeguard staff. There were 52 lifeguards, Wednesday evening, I understand, is their normal, weekly in-service. I was there about an hour, we talked about the tragedy, I shared with them some of the trauma debriefings that I do with the firefighters and the Evansville Police Department. You could hear a pin drop as everyone listened and shared in some of their thoughts about the event on Sunday. There were two EMT’s there, I believe both are employees, and one of, I don’t know names, but one of the EMT’s was sharing how impressed he was with how the lifeguards who were on duty that Sunday responded to the event, doing CPR, chest compressions, and the youngster is doing quite well. It was an exceptional, awesome experience for me, because from these kind of experiences, as difficult as they are for the people who are the first responders, it’s always a learning experience for me. So, I just wanted to share that with you , that Burdette Park staff did a superb job.

President Winnecke: Thank you.

Ralph Nichols: Secondly, I would like to take the opportunity to introduce our new Executive Director. Since we’re the EAP provider for Vanderburgh County employees, oh, his name is Tim Tharp. Tim comes to us from the Youth Service Bureau as Executive Director. Tim started last week. So, I’m already feeling relieved that I can just sit back, see patients and not have to get into the management and administration piece of it. So, this is a good opportunity for Tim to meet you all, since, you’re our boss in a way.

President Winnecke: Right, right. First, thank you for your response out there. I talked to Sandie two or three times over the course of those couple days. I was relieved to know that you were the one that was going to go out there. We’d heard many, similar reports to the response, by the response of the Burdette staff, but thank you for being out there to offer your professional guidance for them.

Ralph Nichols: They did an awesome job.

President Winnecke: Thanks. Tim, would you like to give us a brief history of your background?

Tim Tharp: Oh, well, off the cuff, a brief history. I grew up in Southern Illinois, worked there for the beginning of my career, met my wife in graduate school at Southern Illinois in Carbondale, Southern Illinois University in Carbondale, spent a lot of my time in forensic psychology. Working with gangs in Illinois that seemed to be, unfortunately, a pretty popular topic in dealing with teens and disruptive teens. Worked, got an early opportunity to get into supervision and management, and kind of felt like that’s where I wanted to go and felt lead to be. So, took some opportunities to work as a supervisor in some smaller programs, worked my way up as a Director and then Executive Director. About three years ago came to Evansville with the Youth Service Bureau and worked there for about the last three years, and then the opportunity became available with the Mulberry Center. Interestingly, when I began my career as a young graduate student, I was making referrals to the hospital, when Mulberry Center did in-patient. So, I had a history with Mulberry Center that certainly a lot of the folks, with Ralph and a lot of them were employed there during that time. So, I hope that to come in, and I think our vision and our hope is to bring a lot of new services and a lot of direction, but also sustain the quality of services we’ve been providing. Certainly, as Ralph has demonstrated and done many a time, he’s gone out and introduced me to a lot of people, and he’s a phenomenal asset to have on our team. He’s a great leader and a great therapist. So, we’re very fortunate to have him on our team.

President Winnecke: Welcome, thanks for your time.

Tim Tharp: Thank you.

President Winnecke: We look forward to a long partnership with you.

Tim Tharp: Thank you all.

President Winnecke: Thanks, Tim. Thanks, Ralph.

President Winnecke: Okay, next, Debbie Dewey from the Growth Alliance.

Debbie Dewey: Good evening. For the record, Debbie Dewey, President of the Growth Alliance for Greater Evansville. I’m here to provide the tax phase-in compliance report. The Recording Secretary does have a replacement, you have two spreadsheets in your package with the data and then letters from companies that were out of compliance. The second spreadsheet we found an error in our Excel spreadsheet, so I want to make sure that you replace that page. Again, I apologize, if you had studied on it, it looked like there was an extra two million dollars of tax revenue somewhere. So, I hope you didn’t get your hopes up with that. We had an error, so, I apologize for that. We’ve received all of the tax compliance reports, except from three companies. Two of them came in after the deadline to get these packages to you. So, we will have those at the next meeting. The third one has asked for an extension, and we’ll have that at the next meeting too, because they were acquired by another company and are having to go through that to get their compliance reporting in. If you look at the first spreadsheet, what we show there is the actual versus the projected investment, as well as the jobs. You can go across each line for a company and see the projected dollar investment, and then the actual dollar investment. The top half of the sheet is for real property, and then the bottom half for personal property. Going across, you can see the projected employment when the phase-in was granted, and then the actual employment. There are some duplicates, in terms of number of employees, top and bottom, because some of those employees, or those companies, did have both personal and real property tax abatements. Again, if you look at the ones that are, I’ll say a blue grey color, those are all considered to be in compliant. Those in green are slightly out of compliant, but again, given the economic situation of the last few years, I think it’s very, very good. If you look at the bottom line, in terms of investment in real and personal property, it’s over what was projected, 107 percent. The actual jobs were 96 percent of what was projected. Again, given the economic environment of the last few years, I think that’s tremendous. Then, if we flip to the second page, the new second page, there we show the actual taxes abated, as well as the taxes collected on these projects. Again, the top half of the page is real property, the second half, or the bottom half is personal property. You can see under, for example, under real property at the top, where the actual potential tax, a little over $566,000, the amount abated close to $370,000, and then the actual taxes collected, this is for 2010, a little over $196,000. So, that’s how we read the spreadsheet. But, again, if you look at the economic impact of these jobs, we have an economic impact modeling software now, these 1,444 jobs end up being over $45 million a year in payroll. So, for granting a total of a little over $486,000 in tax abatement for the year, you’re getting about a $90, a 90:1 ratio or return on your investment in terms of actual earnings of employees in the community. If you look at the trickle down effect of that, in terms of those people now have money, so they go out and spend in the community, the real economic impact is about $190 million. So, you’re getting about a 390:1 return on your investment for the abatement. So, again, everything is very, very close, a few just short of compliant, but, again, I think that the economic impact more than justifies the tax abatement. Are there any questions?

President Winnecke: Any questions of Debbie? I guess, the only question I have, Debbie, is what is there, or is there a mechanism by which we’re in on-going communication with the companies, especially those that are out of compliance to see if there are tools or tools that we could offer or turn them on to?

Debbie Dewey: Yes, and we do have letters from those out of compliance that are attached there. One of the things that we started doing at the Growth Alliance now, is we’re building a data base of our top employers, and trying to put all of the data in there so that we can go out and start doing some of what we call BR&E, Business Retention and Expansion meetings. So, again, we’re starting to pull together that data and can go out and start talking to these companies one on one and establish those relationships. I think that’s very important, because, again, we talk about job attraction, but the retention and expansion is really the core of the economic development.

President Winnecke: Right. Any other questions?

Commissioner Melcher: I just think this is really critical in the toolbox of ours, in our toolbox, basically. That’s why I would like to see them on time and that, because you hear time and time again, that’s why we changed it to tax phase-in years ago, that a lot of people are saying, well, how come I can’t get it for my house, and we’re giving all of these businesses that. So, the thing we have to do is be accountable. That’s why I’ve tried, in my 20 year tenure, to stay on top of tax phase-in’s we call it now.

Debbie Dewey: One of the things that we’re doing now, we haven’t had the opportunity to bring a phase-in application before the County Commissioners yet or the County Council, but we are providing with all new tax phase-in applications an economic impact modeling, so we can tell you from the start this is so many jobs its projected, it’s not just this much investment, it’s this much economic impact in the community over the next ten years. So, I think that provides an additional piece of information for making those decisions.

President Winnecke: Great.

Commissioner Melcher: You’ve probably worked now with both the city ordinance and the county ordinance, which one do you, do you have any feelings yet?

Debbie Dewey: I think they’re both very similar in terms of our scoring mechanism and what we look at to justify coming before you with a tax abatement. I think they’re very, very similar there. I don’t see a big difference. I think we may have some opportunities in some process improvement, just to kind of make things go a little bit more streamlined. I was hoping to get some of the folks together going forward and maybe we can provide some recommendations for streamlining the process so it doesn’t seem quite as long and drawn out to some of our business clients. But, as far as providing the tax phase-in, I think that both the city and the county are very close.

Commissioner Melcher: They’re close to a point, but the county seems to have bonus points and stuff, and that’s something that the city never wanted to have, is bonus points, because that way it’s clear cut when it comes before us or before anybody. Actually, when that got started both of them were supposed to pass the same one, but the county never did. They ended up doing it years later.

Debbie Dewey: Well, one of the things we’ve done is we follow the scoring sheets, but we also use those as a guideline. We try to recognize and understand exactly what the project is, how the project can impact other businesses within the community, and the total economic impact over time. So, we would come before you and maybe this is what it scores, but we think there are some extenuating circumstances in other areas, and we would try to be flexible in presenting that to make sure that we give the company credit for what we should give it credit for to attract those jobs.

Commissioner Melcher: I would be interested when you get this committee together to at least get some information on it. Some things we tried to get in it is that the company does drug testing, and the MBE/WBE we finally got that in at the 11^th hour. There’s a lot of things that we needed to do, but at the time that’s the best we could come up with, with the Chamber and at that time Vision 2000 and all of us. The point system is, like you said, it’s a guideline, but it’s a start where everybody is treated equal. But, the Council can go either way they want, they could go down or they could go up.

Debbie Dewey: Right.

Commissioner Melcher: Because that’s the State law.

Debbie Dewey: I think, also, I’ve had the opportunity, because we have brought some abatements before the City Council, but the competitive environment for jobs is just fierce. I mean, companies not only are getting tax phase-ins, they’re getting grants for training, they’re getting land given to them. I mean, there’s just a very, very aggressive environment right now for jobs. Very often too we may not even know that we’re considered, and it may be some of the website searches that companies are doing to look at communities. So, I think we have to recognize that every job is just a fierce competition in today’s environment.

Commissioner Melcher: Well, it really is, and the Edge Bill that the State of Indiana has was a big help.

Debbie Dewey: Yes.

Commissioner Melcher: We didn’t get Scot Towels because Kentucky got them, but Kentucky doesn’t seem like, they didn’t want to hire anybody from Indiana. It seems that it really is competitive.

Debbie Dewey: What we’re trying to do too, is we work very closely with the Indiana Economic Development, we have their representative right in our building, we work with them and the Economic Development Coalition. We work with Work Force One in terms of on the job training to try to put together the best package we can, with the most incentives, trying to pull on everything that may be available. We work very closely together.

Commissioner Melcher: Okay.

President Winnecke: Any other questions? Thank you, Debbie.

Debbie Dewey: Thank you.

President Winnecke: Susie Kirk? Good evening.

Susan Kirk: Hello, how are you tonight?

President Winnecke: We are great.

Susan Kirk: Good.

President Winnecke: Warm, but good.

Susan Kirk: That’s true. I can’t complain, because I do not like winter. So, I’m not going to gripe. This evening, I just want to kind of go over with you a little bit the vote center plan that we have started. What I need to know from the Commissioners this evening is if you are willing to do this so that we can go forward. If you’re not, then we’re going to stop the work and just keep it the way it is. I come tonight to explain this to you, get your input, then I come back next month, if you decide we should go forward with it, and at that time you will make a resolution. I went before County Council last week, and it seemed to be reasonably unanimous, I thought, that they were for this, because it will save quite a bit of money. First, vote centers have been already implemented in three other counties for the last three years. It has been proven that it has not changed to where there’s a lot more people voting or less. It seems to be the same. There’s still Democrats elected, still Republicans. So, they don’t see any change in any statistics at all. The three counties, it’s been a huge success, grant you there are some people who used to walk across the street to vote and now they may have to drive a couple of miles. Change is always a little difficult. I explained to, I think when I was on the Shively and Shoulders I just bought one of those new fangled phones, you know, and it’s driving me nuts, but I feel like that, you know, this is just the way that it is nowadays. We need to save some money and do some changing. Vote centers are similar to libraries. Both party chairman sat down, were very gentlemanly, they picked out 23 sites throughout the county. I gave you a packet showing you the new vote centers and where they are compared to the existing precincts that we have now. You can see sometimes if you look at the map of the proposed vote centers that, oh, my gosh, there’s a big kind of a gap right there, but if you look at the existing precincts you will see like in Center Township, Scott Township, there were already gaps there. Everybody in Scott came halfway down to vote, Center has a little gap in there where they kind of went to the east or the west and voted. So, there are still vote centers in those areas ,but instead of three there would be one. So, you can go to, a voter can go to any one of these vote centers and vote, just like they do at the libraries. The voter would come in, they will present their voter, or their drivers license, photo i.d., and the clerk will look them up, we’ll have laptops, of which I will go in to the upfront costs in just a little bit, but they’ll look you up on a laptop. When you vote it’s going to bring up, obviously, their ward and precinct, they will write down on just a piece of paper the ward and precinct. If it is in the primary election the voter also will print their name, sign their name and in the primary will designate whether they want a Democrat or Republican ballot. The clerk will write that down, give it to the voter, the voter will take it to the judge, the judge will come to the machine and get back where the voter can see and say, ok, you’re in Ward One, Precinct Three, because when they put the peb in the iVotronic all 132 precincts come up, just like they do in the libraries. They will pick that, always letting the voter say, okay, 1-3, 1-3, yes, yes, okay so that everybody knows that they are voting on the correct ballot, then whether it’s Democrat or Republican they will choose that. The voter will vote and leave. That’s pretty well how that works. There are upfront costs, we need to buy laptops that will be totally dedicated to election day and training, because we’ll have to have at least 30 laptops just for training. We will also have one, just little printer, the printers are like, I think, $80 a piece, at each vote center in case someone needed to vote a provisional ballot, they would be able to print that. Because otherwise, to have 132, say ten ballots each and then in the primary double that for Democrat and Republican, we would have to send filing cabinets out to each polling center. It’s just cheaper, basically, especially for the moving company and everything to go ahead and have a printer. So, there’s some upfront costs, but as you can see by the spreadsheets that I gave you, just the poll workers alone we’ll be able to save approximately $80,000 a year just on the decrease in poll workers. Because instead of manning a precinct now, 132, with one inspector, judge of the opposite party that makes ten dollars more, and then another judge of the opposite part and two clerks we’re paying $500 per 132 precincts. With vote centers you will have one inspector, we will begin with four clerks and four judges. Vote centers are a work in progress, the other three counties that tried them, you know, you may find out after a couple of elections, oh man, everybody seems to go here, and so they will move judges and clerks out of one vote center for the next election over there. So, you may end up with two clerks, two judges at one and maybe six at the other. Instead of having four or five machines at a precinct, there will be anywhere from 10 to 15 at the vote centers.

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: You mentioned you were going to check for them to see the ward and precinct. I think there are people who know where they vote, but don’t know what ward and precinct they’re in.

Susan Kirk: That is correct.

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: So, when they come in will they find out first at the book where they sign in what ward and precinct they’re in? Or, when they get up there and this guy says this is Ward One, how are they going to know that?

Susan Kirk: Okay, when a voter comes in and they produce their photo i.d., they are going to give that to the clerk, and the clerk is going to look you up on the laptop, which brings you up, it brings your address up–

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: Oh, okay.

Susan Kirk: –it brings your ward and precinct. Say when you registered to vote we have decided, we kind of had a little meeting and decided that we were going to use Quest, who is the state-wide voter registration system now. They also have the poll books, and say a little question mark comes up, like when you registered to vote maybe you didn’t give your drivers license number or something is missing off of there. Well, you’re not going to go farther until that person gives you that information, but everything comes up, your name, your birth date, your signature when you signed, you know, so that you can look at the signature where they signed the so called poll book. All of that comes up. So, that person, that clerk will write down that ward and precinct and double check it just to be sure. That’s how they’re going to know where they’re at. So, rather than having people going over to Plaza Park where you have two to three polling places and they go and get in a line, and by the time they get up there it’s like no, you’re supposed to get in that line over there because you’re in that precinct. You just go get in line. You won’t have that anymore. So, like I said, I realize that change is, we’re not big on changes here in this area. I know it’s between a primary and a general, but if we’re going to do it, we’re going to have a change some time or another. If we can’t do it for this general election to get our feet wet to get going, because we have to have internet access at these places, most every one of the vote centers will be a church, it has a social hall or a gymnasium, it’s going to get our feet wet for the Presidential election, so that the clerks know what they’re doing so we’ll be ready for the big one. If we can’t do it now, then I will not continue, I will not do it next year. Whoever the next Clerk is can have at it for the off election year. So, it’s up to you, but I need to know tonight should I go forward, or should we stop? Because we’re, you know–

Commissioner Abell: I have a question.

Susan Kirk: Okay.

Commissioner Abell: First of all, I think it’s fantastic. I commend you for working on this.

Susan Kirk: Thank you.

Commissioner Abell: I think it’s the greatest thing, because really we don’t have fewer polling places, you actually have more, because I only had one place I could vote before and now I can vote at 23 different places.

Susan Kirk: Yes.

Commissioner Abell: So, I actually feel like, I think it really frees you up to stop on your way to work just anywhere and vote. So, great idea.

Susan Kirk: Thank you.

Commissioner Abell: My question is, and I don’t know, maybe you’re working with Matt Arvay on these laptops.

Susan Kirk: Yes.

Commissioner Abell: I’m concerned, my concern is do we have to have a Microsoft license with all of these?

Susan Kirk: No. Matt, the way he’s got it fixed, there is enough licensing to go around to take care of our clerks. The upfront costs with Matt’s group is going to be, they will go to the sites and see. Most every one of them have network internet, but it’s better if we can do a plug in rather than wireless–

Commissioner Abell: Yeah.

Susan Kirk: –it’s just a little bit more, it works better. It’s not as likely to go down, so we may have to run some wires. They will be responsible for that. They’re going to get our laptops up and running, otherwise all you do, all the clerks do, they will be shown how to log in, I give them, I give the inspectors one log in user and password and all four clerks, well, three clerks, because we are only going to have three laptops and four clerks in case, you know, something happens we’ve got a little back up there. They just get on the internet and it’s a secure site and that’s how we do it. During the day, I know both parties, they like to have some statistics, how many people has voted in each precinct. It’s a ward, it’s a vote center, but we can break it down to tell you at that vote center we had five people from Ward One, Precinct Three vote. We can send out reports during the day for that, which will help them quite a bit. Both party chairman, I think, one of the big reasons that they decided to do this, two, saving money, it is so difficult to find people to work to work at the polls nowadays. I mean, the last few years, and, I’m sure, Marsha, even when you were the Clerk you could see the decline in, I mean, even the inspectors, we come around Monday before the election and we’ll have five or six precincts that haven’t even picked up and it’s 4:00 Monday, it’s, you know, time to go home. So, it is really becoming very, very difficult for them to do this. So, hopefully, with these vote centers they will be able to pick their elite, have the precinct committeemen, they always wonder they are supposed to do, well, they’re going to help find these people to work the polls, just like they did before. So, but, like I said, if I can get your approval to go forward, I will. If you decide you don’t want to do this, then it stops here and whoever the next Clerk is have fun.

President Winnecke: I, oh, go ahead. I’m sorry.

Commissioner Abell: I was just going to say one thing, just for the benefit of the two here with me that maybe we hadn’t thought about, this will also make it a lot easier to deliver these things. Because if you’re only going to be delivering to 23 locations as opposed to all of the other locations that we delivered to, I think our job with the moving company is going to be much easier.

Susan Kirk: It is. I spoke with the moving company, and because they still are going to have to be picking up 500 machines, obviously, they don’t have to drive as much, the cost goes down a little bit, but not a huge amount. Our biggest savings is going to be poll workers. County Council decided, we kind of e-mailed each other afterwards, and instead of trying to cough up $100,000 at the beginning, they are going to do a lease-purchase agreement over a three year period. They preferred to do that. I think the interest rate, Matt got like 2.3, which is a pretty good interest rate. So, that’s what they decided to do.

President Winnecke: Susie, I just had three quick, short topics to touch on. In the three other counties that have already gone to this, has there been any increase, do they report of voter fraud or any issue like that?

Susan Kirk: No, they have seen, like I said, as far as any kind of statistics, bad or good, everything seems to be moving along the same. When you go to a vote center and vote and you’re plugged into that computer, don’t even think about going to another vote center and trying, because it’s live. It’s just like it is when you vote at a library. Don’t think about going to another one, because you are already in the system as being voted. So, you’re done.

President Winnecke: One of the other questions I had was about training. Is this a long training cycle for the inspectors and judges and clerks?

Susan Kirk: Well, what we would do is, the week before the election we have our training sessions. I usually have three during the day, one being on Saturday, and one at night, and, of course, they all just kind of sit there and have to listen to my boring speech, then at the end they can go back to the back and actually work on the iVotronic to see how to start it. The difference this time is, we will begin together as a group, because I always feel like that all of the poll workers, even though you’re a judge, clerk or inspector, you need to know what the other guy’s job is too. So, that, you know, you won’t wonder what they’re doing, or if they’re doing something wrong you’ll know it’s wrong. We will divide up, at the end of the class, we will have the clerks go into one area and work on the laptops, the judges will move back to the iVotronics so they will know how, when they put the peb in, all 132 precincts will come up, and then, if they want to, they can do a switch, if the judges want to know, the inspector could go back and forth, or whatever, whichever they want to learn and get their hands on, they can go to either place, because we will be there long enough that if anybody, we will stay if anybody wants to switch, after we divide up, if they want to switch we’ll still be there to go on to take care of anybody that wants to know the other guy’s job.

President Winnecke: Okay, the last question just has to do with communication to the public, outside of young Richard here from the newspaper writing an extraordinarily accurate story in tomorrow’s paper–

Susan Kirk: Okay.

President Winnecke: –will you, will the Election Board or your office develop a communication strategy to convey to the public?

Susan Kirk: Yes, the news media has normally been pretty good when I need to get something out. I think it’s going to be reasonably easy. I’m going to ask them to, once we get this up and going, have a copy, you know, the maps that I gave you, put that in the paper, put it on t.v., put it on their websites, each one. They can actually print out the list of, because in the city election we will have 15 vote centers. It’s 23 for the whole county, 15 in the city. They can print those out, and it’s, you know, it’s not difficult, I don’t think it is, to say, okay, instead of going to where you went before, pick any one of these that you want and go to. I think the news media, they’re going to be our big asset as far as, because to mail it out to voters, I, mailings really don’t accomplish that much. They really don’t. People tend to pitch it, and then when they get it they’re not really going to understand, but I think the news media...and I’ve been going around the different places, different groups and have got more to go, as far as explaining. We have one more public meeting at Oaklyn Library on the 27^th of this month at 6:00. The first public meeting we didn’t have hardly anybody show up. So, if the news media will get that out, I’m sure we’re going to have more people show up.

President Winnecke: Okay.

Commissioner Melcher: So, basically, you’re not going to be sending new cards to everybody, because the old cards say where they vote at.

Susan Kirk: Yes, I think that would be confusing to a voter.

Commissioner Melcher: I think it would too, especially if this map in front of you passes and everything, they’ll be getting new ones then.

Susan Kirk: Yes.

Commissioner Melcher: Secondly, I think there’s a lot of positive things, like I explained to you earlier, at one time I thought the whole Third Ward could vote at Roberts Stadium and that would be even cheaper yet, but I couldn’t get anybody to even listen to me. I do think it’s going to be good that we could open up the polls, because I believe it’s still true you have to have one inspector and one judge to open up.

Susan Kirk: Yes.

Commissioner Melcher: So, we always had to bump people up. So, what you have in your training is good. What I don’t like about it for this year, and I explained this to you too, I just don’t like doing anything in the middle of the year. I think if you do something like this you need to start in a primary where there is less voters. That way they’ll have at least an accurate or a good sense of what’s happening when it comes time for the fall. That’s the only question I have on it.

Susan Kirk: Well, and, I mean, I–

Commissioner Melcher: But, I understand the law didn’t get changed until July 1–

Susan Kirk: Right, well–

Commissioner Melcher: –and I think you’ve done a good job. I think you’re pushing forward, and if the chairman agree to it, how can we, you know, but I’m just saying, to me, it makes more sense to do it, like next year, but I understand you don’t want to do it next year, or the off year.

Susan Kirk: That’s true, the off year would have been the ideal time to do it.

Commissioner Melcher: It would have been.

Susan Kirk: When we don’t have the President or the Mayor running, but I do feel like that even though it’s a change in between the primary and the general that it is not difficult to understand, instead of going to the place where you used to go, you may go to any one of these 15 places listed.

Commissioner Melcher: I think that’s good, because I liked your early voting three years ago, when people were going early. A lot of people voted early.

Susan Kirk: We did. We had over 20,000 vote at the libraries–

Commissioner Melcher: Exactly, and some of the races were over by that time, you know.

Susan Kirk: Pretty well, yes. You’re right.

Commissioner Melcher: So, I think that’s, I think it’s a good thing. I think it shows positive, I just question, it’s not you, I understand you have, you’re doing what you need to do, I just question not starting in a primary instead of the fall.

Susan Kirk: We will continue to have early voting in the general election 15 days out, at the five libraries, and then I asked Council, of which I’m basically going to do anyway, but I asked, I was nice, in the primary we’re going to have the libraries open five days out from a primary election. It’s just an extremely popular, I mean, people are driving from all over the place to come to these libraries, so that’s a pretty good sign that they got that down.

Commissioner Melcher: A lot of people don’t like to vote absentee because they’re leaving town or something. This way they’ve got a chance to vote before they leave town, or if they’re running late one morning they can stop somewhere else.

Susan Kirk: That’s true, for anyone that has, you know, if you’re disabled in anyway you can vote by mail or you can vote by travel board. Then we have the libraries and the Election Office is open 30 days before, by statute one of the vote centers has to be open the Saturday before the election. Of course, the Election Office is open the two Saturdays before the election, but, like I said, the libraries have been so popular, I think it’s kind of been a prelude maybe to vote centers. That they understand that, that they can just go to any library they want and do it. So, I think that’s helped us a lot. We’re the only county in Indiana that have five early vote sites.

Commissioner Melcher: That’s what we get by leading. Okay.

President Winnecke: So, Susie would like a non–

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: Mr. President?

President Winnecke: Oh, sure, Ted?

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: If the Commissioners determine to authorize you to go forward, are the sites and the locations, the number of sites and the locations set in stone now? Or is there further opportunity to add more, subtract, change locations? The reason I’m asking that, I did see one letter to the editor that seemed to me to raise some issues that I thought, you know, I don’t know might be worth considering. So far as location, I wasn’t sure that the two county chairman had considered those when they set the sites. I wondered if there was opportunity for them to make further adjustment? Or is it fixed?

Susan Kirk: No, you are correct. We are right now in the draft stage. That’s why we’re having the public meetings and things. I welcome anybody’s suggestions, whatever. I know Armstrong Township, there’s nothing in Armstrong Township that has internet, except people that live out there. So, we have an option maybe of buying the little phone card thing, it cost quite a bit of money, for that day just to try to take care of that area. But, no, we’re open for suggestions. This is the draft. This is what both county chairman came up with as far as the locations, and absolutely it can change. We can add to, by law–

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: Who makes those changes?

Susan Kirk: Well, it’s just our little group, but by the statute, the way it was supposed to be, I was supposed to get a little group together, so I got both county chairman and they picked a representative and we had Voter Registration present, and we’ve met, e-mailed, talked on the phone, and this is pretty well what they came up with. Because I had figured, with my cost analysis, 24 on the low side and 30 on the high side. By statute we only have to have 17, one for every 10,000 registered voters, but not, none of the pilot counties had that few. Now you’re having to drive a pretty good little distance. So, no, if someone has any suggestions, we are, this is the time.

President Winnecke: Ultimately, this body approves the sites, right?

Susan Kirk: Yes, you do. That is your responsibility. Yes, we turn them in to you.

President Winnecke: So, we would approve those in August or September? August, I guess.

Susan Kirk: You would, yeah, there’s a deadline for that, but it would probably be good if you could approve that like next month when I come, at least say, yes, that looks good. Then you can make your official approval later when you need to. I know there’s a deadline. I don’t know, maybe you can do it early, because we need to get our IT guys out to these areas and get things hooked up and ready to go.

President Winnecke: Okay. Right, the resolution would be in August, but she’s looking for, basically, a resolution, a separate resolution tonight to move forward.

Susan Kirk: Yes.

President Winnecke: So, I would entertain a motion to, for the County Clerk to move forward with this process, understanding it would come back before this body in August.

Commissioner Abell: So moved.

President Winnecke: Second. A motion and a second. Questions or further discussion? Roll call vote please.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Abell?

Commissioner Abell: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Melcher?

Commissioner Melcher: Even though I do like your program, I think you’ve done a great job. Like I told you on the phone, I just think it needs to start in the primary. So, with that, I vote no.

Madelyn Grayson: President Winnecke?

President Winnecke: Yes.

(Motion approved 2-1. Commissioner Melcher opposed.)

Susan Kirk: Okay, thank you very much. We will move forward, and I’ll keep you, once we finally get this plan down to where we’re ready to go with it, I’ll be sending it out to you.

President Winnecke: Thanks, Susie.

Susan Kirk: Thank you again.

Commissioner Melcher: Appreciate all your work, Susie.

Susan Kirk: Thank you.

President Winnecke: Okay, next, Old Courthouse office space discussion. Delores?

Delores Koch: Delores Koch, Program Director for the Drug and Alcohol Deferral Service. We work under the Superior Court. The County Council has asked me to look at moving our office to the Old Courthouse building. Currently we’re paying rent to an outside source. We have very low rent. It’s been very good, but they would like me to move. I’ve looked at some spaces there. Mr. Bernhardt is the realtor that we’ve been talking to about the space over there. We’ve been working on trying to, there is one space that might be available if they can move a tenant out. There’s someone that has, it’s divided into two parts, and someone has leased a small part of that. Mr. Campbell over at the courthouse says that one of the problems with moving him to another area in the Courthouse, is the storage in the basement is taking up a lot of space apparently, surplus storage. That would have to be moved before this, apparently this tenant is willing to move, but that would have to be cleared out before that person could move. I’ve worked on some floor plans, we could squeeze all of us in there, but it’s going to be a tight fit. It’s less space than what we have now. We have to always be concerned about the privacy. We would have to have at least the, at least four private office spaces for confidentiality purposes. We need quite a lot of storage. I have, I’m thinking it’s about 20 file cabinets that we have to keep our files for at least six years. We have to destroy them after that, but we have to keep them up to that point. So, I have to have that space. So, that’s part of the problem. There is another space on the second floor that I had understood that the Bar Association may have plans for, but I’ve talked to some people and there is no lease on that area, and there’s no immediate plans as far as I can tell to do something with that. It would be a much larger space. If I’m going to move, I’m looking at it as a permanent move. I know it would be a lot more comfortable for us to move into a larger space is what I’m saying. What I’m here for today is to let you know about the process, and to find out, really we need to know just how much funds would be available for us to make this move. We’re talking about remodeling, possibly almost just starting from scratch to remodel this space to make it fit our needs. The actual moving, you know–

President Winnecke: When does your current lease expire?

Delores Koch: We’re going month-to-month at this time.

President Winnecke: So, we could, it could be any time?

Delores Koch: It could be any time.

President Winnecke: And, the space–

Delores Koch: There would need to be a lot of work done.

President Winnecke: The space that you referenced on the second floor, is that the space directly across from the Old, the Courtroom that was just refurbished?

Delores Koch: That was remodeled, yes. The Old Circuit Court area. The one large room in and of itself is more square footage than the whole office space I’m looking at now. So, if we could have that and maybe another, an adjoining room to that, it would, I think it would meet our needs pretty well. I haven’t really worked out floor plans on that one, but we’re just in the beginning planning processes here.

President Winnecke: I think, before we could move forward on that space, I would like to sit down with the Old Courthouse Preservation Board and see what its plans are. There have been some, I don’t think official, but there has been discussion about refurbishing that room as well.

Delores Koch: Yes.

President Winnecke: I don’t think it’s very far down the road yet, but we need to take that into consideration. I think, maybe what we need, instead of us saying, hey, you have “x” number of dollars, I think it might be more prudent if you came back to us at a future meeting and said this is what it would cost to put us into this smaller space that you described, and then into the second floor space.

Delores Koch: To do a comparison of both?

President Winnecke: Yes, and then we could sit down with members of the County Council to see what kind of funds would be available.

Delores Koch: Okay, I just wanted to have an idea of where I’m going.

President Winnecke: How much square footage do you have now?

Delores Koch: Now? It’s estimated about 2,000 square foot.

President Winnecke: Okay.

Delores Koch: We have six staff, as I said, we would have to have at least four private offices for the confidentiality aspect.

President Winnecke: The smaller space that you first described in the Old Courthouse, how large is it, square footage wise?

Delores Koch: It comes out to 1,843 square feet. One of the problems you have with trying to divide all of that up to make it fit, are the windows that are eight feet wide, 14 feet high, 12, I don’t know. The doors, just, the doors in this building are, you’ve got to have about a four foot clearance just to open a door.

President Winnecke: Right.

Delores Koch: So, there’s a, I would draw plans then I would go over there and start measuring and say, ah, this won’t work, start over. So, it’s been difficult to try to fit it all in.

President Winnecke: Well, I think that if you could get that data for us, and maybe send it to Marissa Nichoalds in our office–

Delores Koch: Okay.

President Winnecke: – and she can distribute to each of us, and we can have some discussions in the next few weeks about how to proceed.

Delores Koch: I believe the realtor and Mr. Campbell might already be looking into it, talking to someone about that.

President Winnecke: Commissioner Abell makes a good point, if you need the services of Mr. Rector with the Building Authority to help with sort of mapping out or designing, whatever, feel free to, Marissa can facilitate that discussion for you.

Delores Koch: Okay, that might be helpful.

Commissioner Melcher: He can probably help you with costs too.

Delores Koch: Help me with that? Talk to him further about it?

President Winnecke: Yeah.

Delores Koch: Okay.

President Winnecke: Okay.

Delores Koch: Alright, so do I come back next month with more information?

President Winnecke: See how quickly you can pull your data together, then send that to Marissa, she can send it to each of us, and then we can kind of figure out when to get you back on the agenda.

Delores Koch: Okay.

Commissioner Melcher: What would be good too is, what rent you’re paying now, what rent you will be paying–

Delores Koch: Uh-huh.

Commissioner Melcher: –so we’ll have something to go by. Is it worth, are we saving money or are we losing money?

Delores Koch: I don’t know how much savings there would be, but the big difference is that we would be paying money back to the county and not to an outside source.

Commissioner Melcher: I understand that, but that’s something–

Delores Koch: So, it may not be any less expensive, but it would be a different aspect to it.

Commissioner Melcher: That’s why it would be good to know.

Delores Koch: I don’t know yet for sure what the rent would be over there.

President Winnecke: Okay.

Delores Koch: So, I’ll get more information.

President Winnecke: Okay, thanks, Delores.

Delores Koch: Thank you.

President Winnecke: Have a good evening.

Delores Koch: Thanks.

President Winnecke: Okay, next the Cooperative Purchasing Organization, permission to advertise for pharmacy services requests for proposal. Sheriff, did you want to, did you have something to say to that?

Eric Williams: Just seeking your permission to release a proposal to seek pharmacy services for the jail. Those pharmacy services are currently provided by a local vendor who’s done a great job for us, but in the history that I’ve been there those have never actually been put out for a competitive bid. We think it’s appropriate that at this point in time we do that. There’s some vendors out there that are interested in the business. We put this proposal together in cooperation with public Purchasing.

President Winnecke: Any questions of the Sheriff? Hearing none, I would entertain a motion to advertise for pharmacy services.

Commissioner Melcher: So moved.

Commissioner Abell: Second.

President Winnecke: A motion and a second. Questions or discussion?

Commissioner Abell: I just have one question, do those people that are, is this for people that are at the jail?

Eric Williams: These are for inmates.

Commissioner Abell: Yeah, do they have that Indiana health card that they can get cheaper prescription drugs?

Eric Williams: Sometimes.

Commissioner Abell: Can we like enroll them when we book them?

Eric Williams: That is absolutely worth exploring. There are a lot of issues in doing that, in the timing and the way things occur. We are, there are some statutes in Indiana, and if you look through there you’ll see that the counties right now are able to negotiate, well, maybe not in this one, I’ve got another one that you are going to be getting that we get Medicare plus four percent, basically, as a minimum rate on our services. So, that it may not be as effective for us as you think.

President Winnecke: Roll call vote please.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Abell?

Commissioner Abell: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Melcher?

Commissioner Melcher: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Winnecke?

President Winnecke: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

Eric Williams: Thank you.

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: Mr. President?

President Winnecke: Yes?

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: If you would like to, I’ve got the bids, and then any bidders who are here could leave after that.

President Winnecke: Okay.

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: For the work at U.S. 41 and Baseline Road, Deig Brother Construction, $503,916.26; Blankenberger Construction, $446,942; J.H. Rudolph, $451,615; Ragle, Inc. Construction, $457,652.25.

President Winnecke: Could you repeat that last number? I’m sorry.

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: Yes, $457,652.25.

President Winnecke: Okay. I would entertain a motion to take those under advisement.

Commissioner Abell: So moved.

Commissioner Melcher: Second.

President Winnecke: A motion and a second. Roll call vote please.

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: Question?

President Winnecke: Oh, I’m sorry. I didn’t see you.

Chris Locker: I’m with J.H. Rudolph and we would just like to let you know–

President Winnecke: Would you come to the microphone please and state your name?

Chris Locker: Chris Locker with J.H. Rudolph. I don’t know if you saw in our bid packet, but we did claim the bi-local law that was effective July 1, 2011. I just wanted you to be aware of that–

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: Okay.

Chris Locker: –since our primary county residence is Vanderburgh County, so we elected that option.

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: Okay, thank you.

Chris Locker: Okay, thanks.

President Winnecke: Thanks, Chris. Any other questions or discussion? Roll call vote please.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Abell?

Commissioner Abell: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Melcher?

Commissioner Melcher: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Winnecke?

President Winnecke: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Winnecke: Next we have the Old Seib Road right-of-way vacation/public hearing and the first reading of the vacation ordinance, which is CO.V-06-11-002., the vacation of right-of-way on Old Seib Road. The public hearing on this issue is now open. We’ll begin with, I guess, Mr. Shofstall, would you like to begin?

Justin Shofstall: Justin Shofstall with Easley Engineering. We filed the petition on behalf of Mr. Sheffer and the development that’s being proposed at Old Seib Road and Kansas Road and Highway 57. As per the packet that was filed with the Commissioners, you will see that all of the utilities and required agencies have no objection to this vacation. This vacation will allow for more useable land on a future constructed lot, and allows us to go ahead and comply with the required subdivision ordinance to do those necessary improvements to Old Seib Road with the cul-de-sac turnaround as well. At this point, it’s my understanding again, besides the agencies and the utilities that are in favor of it and request that you go ahead and move forward with approval of the right-of-way vacation and the first reading here this evening.

President Winnecke: Any questions of Justin? Is there anyone else that would like to speak in favor of this?

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: John, are you going to have any comment regarding this at this time?

John Stoll: I had previously put a letter in that said that our office had no objection to the vacation. I know it kind of runs hand in hand with the drainage plans and the street plans, but as far as this vacation moving forward to the next meeting, I don’t see any problems with that relative to the pending drainage plans and street plans.

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: Right, that would be my understanding as well. However, there are these issues that need to be resolved, I think, prior to approval of this, at the next meeting. I just wanted to be sure the petitioner is aware of that.

John Stoll: I discussed that with Justin earlier this afternoon.

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: Okay, because, I mean, otherwise, Mr. Shofstall, your petition is fully in order, you’ve given notice as you’re required to do and you have all of the appropriate letters, but there are the two issues regarding drainage and use of roadways by large trucks that need some resolution prior to approval of this.

Justin Shofstall: That is correct. If you may recall, prior, at the starting of the Commissioners meeting I was out in the hallway discussing with Mr. Sheffer, he is aware of those comments and concerns that have been addressed since the last tabling, and the information that’s been revealed to our office as of 4:30 this afternoon regarding that ordinance. As far as, again, with the drainage plans themselves, they are still in conformance with the preliminary drainage plan that has been granted approval by the County Commissioners and the Drainage Board. What modifications that would be required with the street plans themselves is actually in benefit to Mr. Sheffer in regards to construction costs, etcetera for those proposed improvements of Old Seib and New Seib. At this point, from my initial conversations I’ve had since then, from 4:30, that there is no strong opposition, comments, concerns that have been raised from statements from any of the Commissioners to John Stoll and John Stoll relaying that information to our office and thus to Mr. Sheffer.

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: Okay, just so you understand, I mean, it’s a relatively short period of time, two weeks, between now and July the 26^th, and I think there is a question relative to access from these properties to Highway 57 instead of the circuitous route on Old Seib Road and New Seib Road, at least there are issues there to be resolved.

Justin Shofstall: With that, as far as with the Commissioners in regards to not having the access for the subdivision itself for commercial truck traffic, that would be all relayed into those individual sites that are being proposed for construction, and those individual sites would have to address those issues at site review. So, with the individual construction process, again, as far as where I believe, with what we’re proposing with this development in hand now, as a stand alone subdivision, addressing those issues that the County Commissioners have in regards to limited or no truck access whatsoever in regards to Old Seib and New Seib that those issues can certainly be addressed here within the next two weeks prior to the County Commissioners–

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: Good, thank you. Then, the other issue would be, if the drainage, I mean, if the site is, my understanding is if the vacation goes through, as you have requested, and then the subdivision development doesn’t go through because (Inaudible) can’t be worked out on truck access and so forth, then we would have a problem with the drainage plan if the drainage ditches along either side of Old Seib Road can’t be used anymore because that’s been vacated, that could be a problem. So, I just want you to be aware of that, and those concerns do exist.

Justin Shofstall: Yeah, and as far as with still being related and tied in with that, the drainage plans themselves, or what’s been proposed there’s still measures that would allow for that drainage to be still handled from that portion and dedicated through easement across and getting into county right-of-way drainage systems once again.

Commissioner Melcher: I know I’ve still got concerns on what the attorney was trying to say, and as your, I guess, the gentleman you’re working for, has he contacted the State at all about 57? Has he made any attempts, anything?

Justin Shofstall: Well, I believe the, one of the persons that’s involved with the actual lot two with the proposed Marathon has had initial conversations with INDOT, being Richard Meyer and Randy Archer. On my way here I did speak with Richard Meyer, and he did confirm that he had had some initial conversations with–

Commissioner Melcher: Because to me that makes the safest, simplest, best way win for everybody. Is just to come in off of 57 and move on.

Pawan Sooch: Yeah, my name is Pawan Sooch. I’m proposing to run the station here, and we had the people from INDOT visit the site, they looked into the specifications, laws and everything, and they are giving me a right in-right out off 57. So, and the truck traffic we are talking about here, I mean, this is not going to be a truck stop anyways, it’s going to be for small cars and everyday used vehicles. The only truck we are talking about here is a semi for my gas delivery. That’s like once in two days and they are like first thing in the morning, 4:00 in the morning, 5:00 in the morning. We can adjust to anything that we require them to do, which road to take, and which access to exit out so, and they would have no problem with that. Any other questions that you wanted me to answer?

Commissioner Melcher: So, are you planning on having your ingress and egress on 57?

Pawan Sooch: We are planning to get one ingress/egress from 57, that would be just a right in-right out like we’re talking about at Kansas.

Commissioner Melcher: At Kansas? Is it going to be Kansas or 57?

Pawan Sooch: We planned one for Kansas, like you know the one on 57 with INDOT. So, that would reduce a lot of stress from 57, I mean, on Kansas.

Commissioner Abell: To get in here, I mean, is that what he’s going to do off of Kansas?

President Winnecke: No, I don’t think that’s his plan.

Commissioner Melcher: I’m more confused now.

Commissioner Abell: I am totally confused.

President Winnecke: Justin, can you clarify maybe? Thanks, Pawan.

Justin Shofstall: Commissioner Melcher, if you recall at the Area Plan Commission, on part of the approval of the subdivision plat that a right turn in- right turn out was allowed off of Kansas Road to this development, as per John Stoll’s recommendation stating that a right turn in-right turn out ingress/egress for this development, as long as it’s located directly west of the proposed common lot line of lot one and lot two, would be allowed. That was how the subdivision was approved by the Area Plan Commission at that time.

Commissioner Melcher: I was at that meeting, so I understand. I don’t think anybody, I don’t even know if everybody at that time even understood what they were voting on. You were there too, because they kept going back and forth, and they finally all decided to throw their hands up in the air.

Justin Shofstall: I understand, as far as there was, yes, the initial confusion on that, but as far as the other option that was before the Area Plan Commission would have been to vote no on a subdivision ordinance that did meet their code and requirements, which–

Commissioner Melcher: No, I understand that, and that’s what’s bad about just meeting the requirements. Just meaning one truck today, which five years from now could be 20 trucks. You know, we have to look at it from the beginning as, I’ve done that my whole career is look at the worst scenario from the beginning. That way at least I have a little bit of understanding how I vote.

Pawan Sooch: Yeah, in this situation, I mean, the worst situation would be one truck every day, or one truck every two days, because I only have a 10,000 gallon tank underneath, and it can only hold one truck. So, that probably takes two days, more than two days to sell that.

President Winnecke: Justin, help us understand the, because I’m not on the Area Plan Commission, the right turn in off of–

Commissioner Melcher: We can change that.

Commissioner Abell: Why don’t you come up here and show us on our maps.

Justin Shofstall: Okay.

Commissioner Melcher: You can take my place on the Area Plan Commission.

President Winnecke: No, that’s fine.

Madelyn Grayson: Make sure you speak into one of the microphones please.

Justin Shofstall: If you look here, as far as, I know we’ve looked...with the general layout you have Elite Fitness, which is considered lot one, which is an already developed commercial lot. Then lot two is this portion here, which encompasses all of that right-of-way vacation of Old Seib Road. This, right now, is the proposed property line. So, starting here at Kansas Road, running north and then tying back over, that would be the property line, then up to here, this would be that area, all of lot two. As far as, with those requirements, that right turn in-right turn out has to be located directly west of this common lot line, which means it would have to come in, cross lot one, and then into lot two for a right turn in-right turn out.

President Winnecke: So, actually, it cuts across, more or less, the Elite Fitness parking lot–

Justin Shofstall: That is correct.

President Winnecke: – then another right turn into the station?

Justin Shofstall: Right, there would be an interconnect between those two. As far as with their proposed access point here, this line is depicting the edge of pavement. This is the most westerly edge of pavement for southbound traffic on Highway 57. So, starting here, this begins the taper for the decel lane for the turn on to Kansas. You can see right here where their right turn in-right turn out, which would be essentially at this location here. With INDOT, their right turn in-right turn out that would allow, as far as with their truck traffic from southbound on 57 to enter, maneuver around their site and exit here. I also would like to point out too, John Stoll can confirm this as well, as far as with the property directly south, it does have limitations and this is all zoned commercial directly south of us as well, it does have limitations to where there’s no access from Highway 57. With this development, once it’s in, if I recall correctly, their access is going to be lining up with Kansas Road and New Seib Road intersection. They would have to enter this here and come back. So, even with no truck traffic coming in to Kansas Road generated by this site, once these two commercial properties are constructed, their only legal access at this time is coming down Kansas Road to this point, turning in the development and accessing here. Very similar to what’s going on with the commercial development in the industrial park across the way at Hedden Road, to where they have to come up Kansas and access it that direction.

President Winnecke: I think one of the points of confusion that we have, based on this earlier GIS snapshot, it shows truck traffic within, you know, on New Seib Road, but if I’m hearing everything correctly, that will not be the case.

Justin Shofstall: That is correct.

Randy Sheffer: Yeah, it’s not allowed.

President Winnecke: Right.

Randy Sheffer: Just because you have a commercial lot doesn’t mean you are going to have semis in it.

President Winnecke: So, right, so currently the idea is right turn here, into here, at the service station, and then here. So, where would your truck, your truck would maneuver around here and then–

Justin Shofstall: On site, and then exit there.

President Winnecke: –exit on 57?

Commissioner Melcher: Who’s coming out here onto here?

Justin Shofstall: Nobody is coming out at this time because it’s prohibited as per–

President Winnecke: This plan is now outdated?

Justin Shofstall: That is correct, as far as with, from my understanding and conversations with John Stoll today and the position of the Commissioners on regards to the road plans.

Pawan Sooch: The people who are using Seib Road, because they live down there, they would still have (Inaudible).

Commissioner Melcher: So, we could make this road, what you’re saying then is we could make this road no trucks at all?

Randy Sheffer: It is that way already. It’s already that way.

Commissioner Melcher: Well, well, I understand that, but, I mean, we could put signs up and stuff.

Randy Sheffer: Correct.

Commissioner Melcher: Because, right now trucks will go down roads.

Pawan Sooch: Okay, but if you get (Inaudible) make a left on Kansas we won’t have to do anything at all.

Commissioner Abell: I don’t think that’s our problem.

Justin Shofstall: So, with that, I hope that clarifies any other issues you may have with that. I do want to try and get this moving away from the fact of, I don’t want to be, you know, blind sided and just having the short vision, because a vacation is for the usability of that lot. It’s for an existing dead end roadway, with part of the requirements that we have, we’re going to be, once we dead end, it’s currently just a straight dead end that goes down to a guardrail. With the approval of the vacation, that allows us to go ahead have more useable area for a useable lot on existing right-of-way that is owned on both sides by Mr. Sheffer with his development, allow for construction of whatever it may be, because it doesn’t necessarily say that, who knows, within the next week they might, they may find a better site to build on. That they’re much happier with. It doesn’t necessarily mean that this lot, per se, is going to be generating the tanker truck issues. With that, this is something, as far as, with the truck traffic it should be limited to the actual lot itself that we would be reviewing and the vacation is involved for allowing a createable lot that, I believe, currently from what we’ve just discussed here and the information that John Stoll has relayed to our office, is issues that can be addressed, taken care of here in a timely fashion to show that there will be no truck traffic on those portions of Old Seib Road and New Seib Road to service these lots.

Commissioner Melcher: Why didn’t they vacate the whole road?

Justin Shofstall: I believe, as far as with the initial concern on that would be once we get north of our end point, that also involves the right-of-way for the Stonecreek Homeowners Association, that is on the eastern edge of that lot, and I believe at that point it was just something that Mr. Sheffer did not want to pursue at that time.

Commissioner Melcher: Because that’s a road that, you know, I think it’s only 18 feet wide, and, you know, the legal road would be Seib Road. So, I would have thought that you would have vacated all of it.

Justin Shofstall: Well, I believe Old Seib Road is still classified as a legal road.

Commissioner Melcher: Well, yes, but you are not going to drive a semi down through it and a car coming the other way.

Justin Shofstall: Well, we’ve already addressed that. There will be no semis on that portion of the roadway.

Commissioner Melcher: I understand how you’re going to address it. I’m just thinking of the future. So, would you have any plans on widening that road, if you’re going to keep it?

Justin Shofstall: I believe as far as with the current requirements that are established with the subdivision ordinance and what’s in the County Commissioners ordinance itself, there is nothing that states specifically that that roadway would have to be widened.

Commissioner Melcher: Okay.

Justin Shofstall: And the fact that there is–

Commissioner Melcher: I’m just asking.

Justin Shofstall: And I’m trying to address your questions and concerns.

Commissioner Melcher: Okay, thank you.

Justin Shofstall: I do not mean to be rude or curt, but as far as with that, with no truck traffic, most county roads, as with the very definition of it, and one of the things that Andy Easley always liked to point out to John Stoll, is that Petersburg Road is only 18 feet wide in front of his house and people are driving 45 miles per hour in front of it. So, as far as with the width, it’s certainly allowed for two passenger vehicles to cross it, just as they had in the past before the New Seib Road improvements had been installed.

Randy Sheffer: This is not an issue here of trying to get permission to get semis down that road. We’re not trying to get that. We’re just taking two commercial lots and combining them and vacating a wedge that’s in between them. For us to get commercial access or heavy duty access for semis, there’s already a law, a city ordinance that says we can’t do that. We’re not trying to do that. We’re just combining lots. If we wanted to do something or build something there that’s going to create activity where we need heavy tankers or heavy trucks, we can’t break the law, we would have to have legal access. So, we would have to either get access off of 57, which we would have to go through INDOT to get, or otherwise if I build a commercial building on those lots (Inaudible) a lot of lightweight traffic, just like it is. Just like Elite Fitness is right now. You could put, you’ve got a bunch of cars right there. So, we’re not looking for semi traffic to come down Old Seib Road. That’s not what we’re here for. We’re here to vacate the section of Seib Road to consolidate two commercial lots to make one lot for a corner, not take....for us to try to get permission for the semis, that’s a whole other process, which would be widening the road, and that’s a whole other coming back to see you all again on another issue. We’re not looking for that, right now anyway, and probably won’t be anyway.

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: Just for clarification, if we, if this vacation was approved and the subdivision gets approved and you didn’t have the 57 access in there, I understand you’re going to have that now, but I just want you to understand, if you didn’t have it, while trucks are required to use 57, they’re also allowed to go to local stops. If we didn’t do anything else, trucks off 57 would be able to go up Old Seib Road and access this development. So, we don’t want to encourage that, which is why the move is on to have the access off of 57, then they don’t need to go Old Seib Road. So, that’s all I wanted to say.

President Winnecke: Anything else on behalf of the petitioner?

Justin Shofstall: Do you have anything else?

President Winnecke: Okay, if you guys want to have a seat, we’ll have any remonstrators. Just step to the podium, you can have a seat, Randy. Just state your name and your address if you would please.

Steve Hess: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Steve Hess, president of the homeowners association. Again, president of 320 homes that are adjoining the lake, the adjoining property that this is all in question in the last three meetings. I find quite amount of confusion based on the last meeting that you folks had to make a very difficult decision on the right on-right off of Kansas. I thought that’s what was a challenge issue. I find that the concerns of me, myself and that neighborhood, as well as the 300 community members and their spouses and children that this is a very complex project in such a confined space. So, I’m presenting to you folks to please take into consideration, I believe Ted Ziemer hits it on the head, of the concerns, again, I deal with transportation, our trucks are over 82 feet long. We are within DLT specs of whatever lengths our trucks are, however the concerns that we have are the size of those trucks. He’s only mentioning a gas tanker truck. How is the Coke trucks going to be approaching and exiting if he’s going to sell more than just gasoline there? Traffic, the width of Kansas itself, if any of you saw the news media a Sunday a few weeks ago, there was a vehicle that ran that stoplight where all of this is being discussed here. I think that if we all just would take a step back and take on a consideration of a request to have a study done of this intersection, to have a study done of this property where this is all in focus, but maybe all of us would have a better idea, and decide a divine decision, if you will, on what we’re considering here and looking forward to. I’m concerned about myself, my community, the safety therein of this county, of Vanderburgh County, and I fear that the increase of accidents, as well as this right on-right off, the confined space of Kansas, the intersect of 57 is just too much to consume of this small space. I’m not going to take up your time like I did last time, but, hopefully I’m addressing the point of considerations here of your decision of this subdivision move tonight on this project.

President Winnecke: Steve?

Steve Hess: Yes, sir?

President Winnecke: If I may just ask a quick question? On the, sort of the narrow issue of the vacation of Old Seib Road, based on the description that they just made to us, it appears that there would be, truck traffic would enter off of 57, or off of, from Kansas right into the, that first lot there, and there would be no traffic on New Seib Road or anywhere near a residential area. Is that how you understand?

Steve Hess: That’s the way they’re presenting it, however I can stand here all day and say I’ve called the State of Indiana and I’ve done this and that. I would rather see documentation on if they have communicated with the State on their accesses, to answer your question. How can you guarantee us, how can this company guarantee you and I that there will not be any traffic at all if Old Seib Road is opened to the New Seib Road connection? Tanker trucks have to get in and out. If you witness the business on 41 North, that right in-right off is a very narrow and very shallow, very small right in and right off. I want to ask how can this tanker truck enter in and off of Kansas? If he has no access off of 57, what other avenue will he take? As Ted suggests, Old Seib Road.

President Winnecke: Thank you.

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: I think they’re saying now that they are going to have access though off of 57. So, I don’t know.

Steve Hess: I haven’t seen any documents where it’s in our plotting that he’s presenting to us that we will have legal access off of 57. That may be a plan. I’m told verbally it’s in the future, Ted, but what’s the guarantee of the State and their funding on that project connecting his project to the right-of-way of 57?

President Winnecke: I’m sure the funding would be incumbent upon the developer for the ingress/egress off of 57.

Steve Hess: I’m understanding the developer’s not willing to pass the bill at this time.

President Winnecke: I think they’re nodding their head otherwise. I think. Is that right, Justin?

Justin Shofstall: That is correct.

Randy Sheffer: There would be no semis allowed on your road anyway.

President Winnecke: No, he--

Justin Shofstall: As part of the–

President Winnecke: Step up so we–

Justin Shofstall: To answer your question, as far as with that, in regards to construction on Highway 57, anything that is done, that is proposed by the development, whether it be the developer himself or the purchaser of a lot would have to pay for all those improvements done to Highway 57.

President Winnecke: Okay, thanks. I really got out of order here. We’ll have a chance to rebut the remonstrators. I apologize, but anything else for Steve? Thank you, Steve.

Steve Hess: Thank you, Lloyd.

President Winnecke: Any other remonstrators?

Bill Roach: My name is Bill Roach. I’m with Stonecreek Subdivision. I live on Mooring Road. I enter the subdivision right there at Kansas and New Seib. Correct me if I’m wrong, but we’re looking at four cuts on Kansas within a block, is that correct?

President Winnecke: John, is that, that’s not right is it? Just one, I believe.

Bill Roach: Well, we have two for Huck’s, correct? One for New Seib Road, entrance to Stonecreek, and we have another one that you’re proposing now?

President Winnecke: John will clarify it. I don’t recall the Huck’s.

Bill Roach: Huck’s is going across the street evidently.

Commissioner Melcher: Right, they’re going–

Bill Roach: There’s a cut, an existing cut now. They’ve also said that they have a, permission to make a cut directly across from Stonecreek entranceway, that’s two cuts.

President Winnecke: Okay.

Bill Roach: Stonecreek entrance is three, and we’re talking about putting another one in?

President Winnecke: John is going to clarify for us.

John Stoll: I thought you meant just the north side of the road. I guess, I didn’t consider a street intersection to be a driveway cut, but as it stands now, yes, there would be two driveways proposed on the south side of Kansas. One directly opposite Seib, and then a second one, further east, that would serve the gas station they’re proposing at the southwest corner of Kansas and 57, and then the proposed right in and right out for the gas station at the northwest corner of 57 and Kansas. So, three private drives and a public street intersection.

President Winnecke: Does that answer your question?

Bill Roach: Yeah, I’m asking you guys is that what you’re proposing? Or is that what the developer is proposing? To put another entrance there on Kansas?

President Winnecke: Yes.

Bill Roach: Is that true?

Justin Shofstall: Which development, are you talking about this development?

Commissioner Melcher: Their development is the only one that is before us tonight.

Bill Roach: Yes.

President Winnecke: There are two, two, I mean, I understand where you’re going.

Bill Roach: The other two, or the other developer has already got permission, I understand for the one cut that’s existing now, and they’ve already got permission for the other cut. So, that’s two cuts that they’ve got permission for. The other developer, not this developer.

President Winnecke: Right.

Commissioner Melcher: Right.

Bill Roach: Okay, and then there’s a road, New Seib Road that enters Kansas.

Commissioner Melcher: Right.

Bill Roach: Now we’re going to put another one in from the developer we’re talking about now.

President Winnecke: Well, first, I’m not clear that the Huck’s, and I’m not personally familiar with that development, but I’m not sure that that, they’ve not come before us.

John Stoll: The gas station on the south side of the road has submitted preliminary plans to site review committee. They don’t have any permits as it stands, as of yet, and the last plan that I saw, excuse me, the last plan that I saw that they presented didn’t show the second access point that was opposite the Seib Road and Kansas Road intersection. It just showed their one driveway. We made them aware of the possibility that there was going to be a median, a raised median on the Kansas Road approach through there, in conjunction with the airport work. So, that’s what brings the second driveway into the mix, because they would be in the same boat as what the development we’re here to talk about this evening has where if there’s a raised median it’s blocking their main driveway. They would have to come in further west in order to get the access to work. Otherwise they don’t have a way to get lefts in and out of their site. So, no plan has been officially approved for anything on the south side as far as I’m aware of.

Commissioner Melcher: I thought the one road across from Seib was already okayed, it’s not?

John Stoll: Not that I’m aware of. It was discussed.

Commissioner Melcher: Because they were at Area Plan and I thought they said it was.

Bill Roach: Yeah, that’s what I thought.

Commissioner Melcher: I’m just telling you what they said.

John Stoll: They platted an access easement, if I remember correctly, but I don’t recall them presenting any plans to get permits to actually build anything, as of yet. I could be wrong on that, but I don’t recall it.

Commissioner Melcher: Cause that discussion lasted a while with this one coming, a right turn, a right turn out. Okay.

Bill Roach: That’s where I got my information also.

Commissioner Melcher: Me too.

Bill Roach: That’s all I’ve got to say.

President Winnecke: Thanks, Bill. Appreciate you coming out tonight.

Commissioner Melcher: Thank you.

Bob Wootton: Good evening, my name is Bob Wootton, I live at 9625 Clippinger Road. It’s the first house on the right after, whenever you turn off of Seib. I’m not sure that I understand exactly what this whole thing, you know, what their plan is. I didn’t, I wasn’t at the last meeting, but the way I understand it there’s only going to be allowed on to Kansas Road from this proposed station a right turn in and a right turn out. Correct? Is that what the proposal is? You cannot, you will not be able to turn left if you’re leaving that gas....turn on to Kansas Road and turn left?

President Winnecke: Correct, that’s correct.

Bob Wootton: Only a right turn.

President Winnecke: Correct.

Bob Wootton: Whenever the people turn out then, turning right, onto Kansas Road, if they want to get back on 57 they only have one way, you know, there’s several ways of doing it, but one of them would be to turn right on Seib Road and go on to Clippinger, and since my house is the first one on the right, to turn around in my driveway to get back out onto Kansas Road. You know, that’s going to be a problem if there’s only a right turn out there if people are wanting to get back on to 57. They need gas and they pull into this gas station, and there’s going to be somebody who’s going to be turning left onto Kansas. Somebody will do that. Now, I don’t know if they’re just going to have one lane that goes to the right or just exactly how this thing is supposed to work, but I see that as a potential problem in our neighborhood with people wanting to turn around to get back to 57 unless they go all the way down Seib Road to Boonville-New Harmony and enter back on to 57 that way. Anyhow, that is my concern about this proposal. The entrance on 57 for trucks, you know, that softens it somewhat, rather than have big trucks enter onto Kansas Road, but I’m still concerned about the people when they leave this gas station, where are they going to go to get back onto 57?

President Winnecke: Right, okay.

Bob Wootton: Thank you.

President Winnecke: Thanks, Bob. Any other remonstrators that would like to speak tonight? Justin, would you or your client like to offer anything else?

Justin Shofstall: Yeah, just on that, as far as a direct chance to answer as far as some of the concerns that the residents have; one, as far as in regards to the homeowners association president and his concerns with Kansas Road being narrow, etcetera, right now that portion of Kansas Road is much wider than the existing roadways from that intersection beyond. Also, as of last week, John Stoll had forwarded the proposed improvements, in association with the north runway and the realignment of Oak Hill Road, Hedden Road, etcetera, and those improvements that would be done in addition to those at Hedden Road, Kansas Road, and also the intersection of Kansas Road and Highway 57. At that point there will be an entire decel lane along the northern, not a decel lane, but a right turn lane from Kansas Road at 57 all the way to New Seib. There’s, I believe, John can answer this question, is it going to be a total of four lanes at 57 and Kansas? So, a total of four lanes going from the existing three. With the access concerns that they have, again, with what’s been addressed and mentioned to our office today, up to 4:30, that, with those concerns with eliminating truck access off of Old Seib Road, New Seib Road, the, what would be proposed with the existing approved right turn in-right turn out for Kansas Road would still have to line up in a form with those plans that are currently in existence for Kansas Road, and then would have to be improved and reconditioned once Kansas Road was improved, whenever the Highway 57 and the proposed improvements for realignment of Oak Hill Road come about. With that, again, commercial traffic will not be entering off of Highway, will be coming in off of Highway 57, as per what they’re proposing with the future lots. Now, in order to have those future lots, the right-of-way vacation would have to proceed. Anybody who once enters that project development, as far as with being a larger commercial, anything from a small commercial development that are two lots or more, to a larger commercial development, that there’s usually always been an interconnect from one commercial lot to another. You’re certainly already allowing one interconnect between lot one and lot two, because the right turn in-right turn out has to come in on lot one to get any access onto lot two. At that point, once they’re on lot two, there still allows for passenger vehicle for Old Seib Road that has not been vacated and be improved as with what was proposed with the road plans, to allow for vehicles to exit to the north onto Old Seib Road, because it’s very plausible that any residents that would be going in there using that convenience store and gas station, would also be either, if they’re driving north, or driving north onto Highway 57, or they’re residents of Stonecreek Subdivision. I find it hard to believe that just out of pure spite that every single resident of Stonecreek Subdivision will not use this convenience store. Also, as far as with them exiting, if they’re trying to get out, with there being a right turn only onto Kansas Road from the, with the right turn in-right turn out, that means that they can only travel west. If they want to try to get back onto Highway 57, they can use the right turn in-right turn out that would be proposed with one of the interconnects on the lots itself, or with the interconnect on Elite Fitness, with their existing curb cut that is right there north of the intersection of Kansas and New Seib Road. So, as far as the concerns to where this site is going to generate and strictly focus all of their traffic into the subdivision, turning around in driveways, would be erroneous at best.

President Winnecke: Okay.

Justin Shofstall: So, I believe with that, again, with the vacation of the right-of-way, allows for this lot to be developed, it still conforms with what the Area Plan Commission approved with the right turn in-right turn out to limit access off of Kansas Road. As far as with those developers purchasing the lots, the individual lots that front on Highway 57, the responsibility for them to have their access off of Highway 57 limiting all truck movements on the site itself, or on those designated roadways, being Highway 57 and that initial portion of Kansas Road.

President Winnecke: Anything else from the petitioners?

Commissioner Melcher: I’ve got one question of John.

President Winnecke: Sure.

Commissioner Melcher: John, he was talking about you sent the plans already, is there any way we could see those?

John Stoll: The airport’s plans?

Commissioner Melcher: Uh-huh.

John Stoll: I’ve got–

Commissioner Melcher: Because you’re talking about this median thing, and I don’t–

John Stoll: The plans that I forwarded to Justin didn’t have the median, but because of the concerns about trying to make the access points right in and right out, I asked the airport designers to add the median in there. So, that way that would prohibit left turns for certain. There wouldn’t be any question that they could drive across the top of a raised concrete median. The plans that I have do not show that at this time, but I’ve asked R.W. Armstrong to include those. So, I can forward you those sheets.

Commissioner Melcher: Do you know when we’ll get those?

John Stoll: Not off the top of my head, no.

Commissioner Melcher: Because I think that’s important.

John Stoll: I can forward you what we have, and it does have four 11 foot lanes on that west leg of the 57 and Kansas approach.

Commissioner Melcher: Okay. Thank you.

President Winnecke: I will move this along, unless anyone....Marsha, do you have something?

Commissioner Abell: I have one question.

President Winnecke: Sure.

Commissioner Abell: I have a question for the developer. If you’re the developer. This is going to be a service station/gas station, are you under a time constraint?

Randy Sheffer: Okay, first of all, this is not about the gas station. That’s a whole other permit. Right now, I legally cannot build a gas station, well, I legally could build a gas station on the lot as it sits, it’s just they would be restricted to small trucks coming in and out. They would have to use a small tanker, the small trucks instead of the big semis. All this really is about is a vacation of the road to consolidate a commercial lot. For me to get an approval for the gas station is a whole other process, in addition to this process. This is not about the gas station. We’ve already got approval for the entrance. So, I could put an entrance here. I could put a small gas station right there beside the Elite Fitness Center as it sits. I just would not be allowed to take any big semi traffic out through the back of Seib Road, or out Kansas Road. So, technically, if he buys this lot from me after I get it developed, we will have to have access off 57, which we’re already working on anyway too, in addition to this. But, right now, I could legally go in and build an office building, another fitness center, or just any kind of development that’s rated C-4 or less on this property. This is just about the vacation of the road to consolidate the lot just to make it more feasible.

Commissioner Abell: But, you don’t need this vacation to meet any time constraints? Or you’re not under–

Randy Sheffer: Well, I need this vacation, yes, to make my lot whole.

Commissioner Abell: I understand that. I’m asking do you need it to meet a time constraint, like do you have to have a yes or no by Friday, for instance?

Justin Shofstall: Like your closing deadlines, etcetera.

Commissioner Abell: Yeah.

Randy Sheffer: Yes.

Commissioner Abell: Okay, that’s what I wanted to know, do you have a time constraint?

Randy Sheffer: That’s a very good point.

Commissioner Melcher: Did you say, and maybe I heard you wrong, did you say that with this vacation you could drive semis down the Old Seib Road?

Randy Sheffer: Well, right now I can access all of that, that whole area from Seib Road. I just can’t access it with a semi, and don’t intend to. That’s not my intention here, it’s just to take the part of Seib Road that separates my two pieces of land to make one piece of land. We’re just shortening a dead end street that’s already dead ended and should have been torn out a long time ago anyway. That’s all this is about. The gas station is a whole other process, somewhere, something out in access off Kansas or 57 is INDOT jurisdiction, a whole other thing. So, before this guy is going to build a gas station on it, he’s going to have to have approval from somebody for access off of 57. So, nobody has to worry about that. That’s not the issue here. That’s another thing. It’s about commercial, it’s about combining a lot.

President Winnecke: Anybody else? Thanks, Randy. I guess, I’m a little torn about what to do. I understand the distinction, we’re asking for just the vacation of the road tonight. I guess, it does strike me that there are a lot of moving parts. Clearly, the neighbors aren’t aware of the, I don’t think it was clear until tonight of the latest plans to offer ingress and egress off of 57, which as one of them said, does soften it a little bit, but perhaps it would make the process go smoother if we could see an updated plan that diagrams what the traffic flow could be off of 57, off of Kansas, including the proposed, it’s not even proposed, it’s in the discussion, the other convenience store for the other side of the road. I am concerned about how that plays into this, and I think it just seems like it would be smart development to understand all of that before we move forward with this. I came here tonight fully intending to vote to vacate the road tonight, but I’m wondering if we wouldn’t be well advised to delay this for a meeting or two until we can see the updated traffic flow plans that, so everyone can kind of put their arms around it. There may still be opposition after that, I don’t know, but I think it would be great to see everything together.

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: Mr. President? This requires two readings.

President Winnecke: Right.

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: So, you could in the interest of moving it along possibly, assuming everything else is going to fall into place, go ahead and approve this on first reading tonight, with, setting the next reading for July the 26^th. If by July the 26^th you’re not satisfied, or for some reason you need, or more time is needed, you can continue that meeting to another one. If you do nothing tonight that moves everything at least two weeks further down the road. You’re not binding yourself at all by approving this on first reading tonight. You have full right to disapprove it at the final reading. So, I would suggest perhaps, in the interest of time, you might vote on it tonight for first reading.

President Winnecke: John, is it feasible to, if we proceeded as Mr. Ziemer just suggested, and asked all parties to get to you the data that we could consider what I described previously, maybe for our August 9^th meeting, at which time we could consider the final approval of this vacation? Does that make sense?

John Stoll: Yeah, as far as the proposed widening plans with the airport, that wouldn’t be a problem. The only issue may be whether or not they show a raised median or not, but I do have draft plans there. From what Justin is saying this evening, I don’t think there would be any problems with them getting the plans. The only thing I don’t know is for the proposed gas station on the south side what they would be able to provide. I haven’t spoken to them about any of their time tables or anything that’s associated with their site.

President Winnecke: I guess, I’m not concerned about their time table so much as at least what they’re thinking in terms of the road cuts that Bill suggested that Area Plan has already considered. I guess, I’m okay with going with Mr. Ziemer’s alternative with the understanding that in a second meeting, in a second hearing, if we don’t have all the traffic flow data that I think everyone wants to see in one comprehensive plan, then I may change my vote. But, I guess, I guess I would be open to this alternative if my fellow Commissioners would be too, but, I mean, I really want to demand that we have all that for, and I say August 9^th because I’m not going to be here frankly in two weeks and I want to be a part of this vote. I think that would give all parties enough time to get the information we want.

John Stoll: We can definitely get the subdivision plat for the south side of the road, and definitely get the plans that have been submitted to the Plan Commission so far for everything on the south side of the road. So, that won’t be any problem to get that. If there’s anything more then it might be more difficult, but I can get that, get the data provided from this development, and I can also have what the proposed road plans are for the airport’s project. So, that shouldn’t be a problem.

President Winnecke: Let me, excuse me, one thing just before I forget this thought. Is it also, once you get all of that pulled together into a single map, chart, whatever, that prior to the meeting on the 9^th that you can disseminate that to maybe Mr. Hess, as the point person, so the remonstrators can have an idea of what all this looks like?

John Stoll: Okay.

President Winnecke: In some fashion, and if you need more time, we’re going to have to, I would say we would be open to delay it. Go ahead, Steve.

Commissioner Melcher: I just wanted to make sure that when you brought it we could put it up on the screens, so everybody in the audience, the neighbors that are here, they’re seeing what we all are seeing. I want us all to see the same thing, because what we’ve been talking about from day one was this domino here, was the drainage plan, then the next domino was going to Area Plan for the review. That took a long night, and then another domino now is this part. The house, I mean, the building across the street, the Huck’s that turned out to be another domino. So, we don’t know where all of these dominos are going to fall in. So, to me, I have to have a clear understanding before I could vote for this on that.

President Winnecke: Okay, at this time, if there’s no other discussion, I would entertain a motion, oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t see you. I apologize.

Justin Shofstall: Sorry, I just wanted to get a clarification as far as to where we’re looking at conceptual plans for, as far as horizontal layout, with the concerns that you have with the truck traffic movements in association with this development in conjunction with what John Stoll has on the proposed improvements with Kansas Road. We’re not talking about hard, fast we’ve got everything designed down to the thousandths of an inch.

President Winnecke: No, I think people want to understand conceptually how the development would work. I think, everyone seems reasonable enough to understand the specifics aren’t ironed out, but to Steve’s point, we would like to know how the dominos are all going to fall.

Justin Shofstall: Right, and that’s what I just wanted to get as far as a clarification–

President Winnecke: Right.

Justin Shofstall: – so we all know it’s certainly conceptual and follows an intent, and not what’s going to be considered hard, fast set in concrete, but as long as it follows that intent.

President Winnecke: I think we want to know it’s directionally accurate.

Justin Shofstall: Correct.

President Winnecke: Okay?

Justin Shofstall: Right.

Madelyn Grayson: Sir, what was your name for the record?

Randy Sheffer: Randy Sheffer.

President Winnecke: Okay, at this time, Mr. Ziemer?

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: There’s only one other thing, I think we want to include the drainage information as a part of that same plan.

John Stoll: The drainage plans and the street plans as we had discussed from prior meetings for this particular development.

President Winnecke: Okay, at this time I would entertain a motion to approve, on first reading, the vacation of Old Seib Road, with the caveats previously mentioned.

Commissioner Abell: So moved.

President Winnecke: Second. Any questions or further discussion? Hearing none, roll call vote.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Abell?

Commissioner Abell: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Melcher?

Commissioner Melcher: No.

Madelyn Grayson: President Winnecke?

President Winnecke: I’m going to vote yes, with what I said, I will continue this until August 9^th, at which time we’ll get all of this data. If it’s not to my satisfaction, I may join Commissioner Melcher in voting no, but I vote yes. I would continue this public hearing until our August 9^th meeting.

(Motion approved 2-1. Commissioner Melcher opposed.)

President Winnecke: I appreciate everyone’s patience. I know we took a lot of time on this, but I think this was important.

President Winnecke: Okay, next, contracts, agreements and leases. Sheriff, facility use agreement with the University of Southern Indiana for the applicant testing. I would consider a motion to approve.

Commissioner Melcher: So moved.

Commissioner Abell: Second.

President Winnecke: A motion and a second. Questions or discussion? Roll call vote.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Abell?

Commissioner Abell: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Melcher?

Commissioner Melcher: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Winnecke?

President Winnecke: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Winnecke: Next, from the Health Department, an agreement with the University of Evansville Dunigan Family Department for 2011-2012 to provide clinical education opportunities for new nursing students. This is identical to the form of the agreement for the past two years and does not contain any funding requirements on the part of the county. How about that?

Commissioner Melcher: So moved.

Commissioner Abell: Second.

President Winnecke: A motion and a second. Questions or discussion? Roll call vote please.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Abell?

Commissioner Abell: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Melcher?

Commissioner Melcher: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Winnecke?

President Winnecke: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Winnecke: Next, department head reports. Sherman, I see you first.

Sherman Greer: Sherman Greer, Emergency Management Director for Evansville-Vanderburgh County. This is in reference to the denial of the individual assistance from FEMA to the citizens that we have in Evansville-Vanderburgh County that was affected by the flooding. We proposed to, I think we proposed a letter to the County Commissioners to be able to send to, at first we started out sending it to Joe Wainscott from the Indiana Department of Homeland Security, and we were advised to maybe send it to Region V to Mr. Velasquez for the, to FEMA, so that we could get a little bit more action out of this.

President Winnecke: Okay, great, I appreciate you drafting that. We word smithed it a little bit to–

Sherman Greer: We appreciate that too.

President Winnecke: Yeah.

Sherman Greer: Because we were kind of–

President Winnecke: I know, I suggested that it be worded strongly, but–

Sherman Greer: Maybe it was a little too strong.

President Winnecke: –we toned it down a little bit. I appreciate the effort and the spirit. I would consider a motion to approve the letter that is before us.

Commissioner Abell: So moved.

Commissioner Melcher: Second.

President Winnecke: A motion and a second. Questions or discussion? Roll call vote.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Abell?

Commissioner Abell: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Melcher?

Commissioner Melcher: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Winnecke?

President Winnecke: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

Sherman Greer: Thank you.

President Winnecke: Thanks, Sherman. It seems like we asked, we need, we still need the information–

Sherman Greer: You need the names and addresses–

President Winnecke: – from the volunteers, because we need to honor them appropriately for their volunteer efforts during the flood.

Sherman Greer: Right. If we can just get out of one thing into another, but we do have a list started.

President Winnecke: Okay, great.

Sherman Greer: Okay?

President Winnecke: Let’s shoot for that August 9^th meeting too.

Sherman Greer: Okay.

President Winnecke: If you would.

Sherman Greer: We’ll do that.

President Winnecke: Okay, thanks, Sherman. Who else? Steve?

President Winnecke: Hi, Steve.

Steve Craig: Steve Craig, Manager of Burdette Park. First thing, I wanted to make you aware that the BMX track is having its national race this Friday, Saturday and Sunday. There will be racers from all over the United States coming to Evansville to race in this event. If you’ve never seen one, it’s something to see. You could come out and see it. The second thing I want to do, is I want to thank the Commissioners for offering the service of Ralph Nichols and Mulberry Center. The people of Vanderburgh County are very privileged to have leaders that have the insight to offer this kind of services to their employees when something like this happens. These kids, when they come to work for us, I give them a speech in the spring, and I tell them that this could very well be one of the most important jobs that they ever had in their life. It doesn’t take them long to find out that that’s true. Mr. Nichols, he was a God send, I guess, and some of them, because some of them seemed to be in a small state of shock, and after he talked with them and everything, they seemed to, you know, understand that this was real. It’s just not with the Aquatic center, but when you get in the neighborhood of 300,000 visitors to your park in a year, you deal with everything from heart attacks to strokes to just people being hurt in the park. I just want to thank the Commissioners for offering this service to the employees of Vanderburgh County.

President Winnecke: Thanks, it was the right thing to do. Kudos again to those young people who acted so courageously.

Steve Craig: One other thing, I want to thank two patrons that I don’t know who they are. They didn’t stick around and take a pat on the back. But, as I read all of the reports from everybody, they keep mentioning two professionals that had helped them, and nobody caught their name, when the incident was over they just kind of disappeared. But, you know, it’s like the whole community contributed, but I want to thank those two people, whoever they are.

President Winnecke: Okay, thanks, Steve.

Steve Craig: Thank you.

President Winnecke: John, did you have anything else?

John Stoll: The first item I had was to request approval of the ESRI annual maintenance agreement for our GIS software. This is an annual license agreement for $700 for the GIS software, the ArcView software used in my office.

Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.: I apologize, I did not today get an opportunity to send you an e-mail on that. I have reviewed that contract and it is identical to the maintenance contract for the last two years, and it is $700, and it’s for a one year period. We find it satisfactory for execution should you decide to do so.

President Winnecke: I would consider a motion to approve.

Commissioner Melcher: So moved.

Commissioner Abell: Second.

President Winnecke: A motion and a second. All in favor say aye.

All Commissioners: Aye.

(Motion approved 3-0)

John Stoll: Next, I’ve got an amended street plan, street acceptance for Spring Lake Valley Subdivision. On, at the last meeting I had an incorrect mileage total on the mileage for Wisteria Lane within that subdivision. It doesn’t change any of the footages that I read into the record, it just had one number incorrect. So, I just wanted to get a corrected form in the record. So, I’ve submitted that for your signatures.

President Winnecke: I would consider a motion to approve.

Commissioner Melcher: So moved.

Commissioner Abell: Second.

President Winnecke: A motion and a second. All in favor say aye.

All Commissioners: Aye.

(Motion approved 3-0)

John Stoll: Next, I’ve got the IDEM notice of intent letter. This is to notify IDEM about construction on the Millersburg Road project. It also needs Commissioners signatures.

President Winnecke: I would consider a motion to approve.

Commissioner Abell: So moved.

Commissioner Melcher: Second.

President Winnecke: A motion and a second. All in favor say aye.

All Commissioners: Aye.

(Motion approved 3-0)

John Stoll: Next, I would like to request approval to file a travel request with County Council to go to Jasper for an IDEM storm water meeting. This is on August 16^th and it will be a half day seminar. We’ll just take a county vehicle, and it will be up and back, same day.

President Winnecke: Motion to approve?

Commissioner Melcher: So moved.

Commissioner Abell: Second.

President Winnecke: A motion and a second. All in favor say aye.

All Commissioners: Aye.

(Motion approved 3-0)

John Stoll: The only other item was very well discussed awhile ago, the street plans have been postponed until a future meeting, I guess, on August 9^th. So, I’ll bring those back for LEED-Sheffer Subdivision at that time.

President Winnecke: Thanks, John.

John Stoll: Thanks.

President Winnecke: Any public comment at this time? Hi, Bruce.

Bruce Ungenthiem: Bruce Ungenthiem, Darmstadt. I am not going to talk about my favorite subject tonight. So, you all can smile, okay. I’m going to talk about my second favorite subject. Back in February, I think the 22^nd, this Commission found it, or actually passed the resolution to prevent smoking, or to ban smoking from public facilities in Vanderburgh County. I told you at that point in time that if that happened, that I would take the $100 out of my pocket and donate it to the American Cancer Society. I have a receipt from the American Cancer Society, which that was done on March the 2^nd, and I want to present that to you. In addition, for your courage in doing this, I have certificates of appreciation for all three of you for making this possible. I want to give those to you.

Commissioner Melcher: Well, technically, I didn’t vote for it.

Bruce Ungenthiem: You’re part of the group, aren’t you?

Commissioner Melcher: I’m part of the group.

Bruce Ungenthiem: We’re all one big, happy family here. Isn’t that what I’ve been hearing?

Commissioner Melcher: Well, we’re supposed to be.

President Winnecke: Happy this week.

Bruce Ungenthiem: Thank you, Steve.

President Winnecke: Thanks, Bruce. Appreciate it.

Bruce Ungenthiem: That was done on March 2^nd, my mom’s birthday. Thank you.

Commissioner Abell: (Inaudible. Microphone not on.)

Bruce Ungenthiem: The one other thing I wanted to let you know, and I’ll give you an update of where we’re at. July the 1^st the tavern that I’m very interested in went non-smoking, we had a party there. In the last week or ten days, the business has actually gone up. This last weekend’s business was up 30 percent. Sunday’s brunch had an additional 60 people at the brunch. So, it is not affecting the business whatsoever.

President Winnecke: Great.

Bruce Ungenthiem: So, thank you very much.

President Winnecke: Thanks, Bruce. Have a good evening. Any other public comment?

President Winnecke: At this time I would entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda.

Commissioner Abell: So moved.

Commissioner Melcher: Actually, you were going to take one out?

President Winnecke: Yeah, I would consider a motion to approve the consent agenda, except for the CMoe request for the fundraiser on November 12^th, that waiver fee. I would make a motion that we consider that separately.

Commissioner Melcher: I’ll second it.

President Winnecke: Is that--

Commissioner Abell: (Inaudible). So moved.

President Winnecke: Are you clear, Madelyn?

Madelyn Grayson: Yes.

President Winnecke: Okay.

Madelyn Grayson: Are you ready for me to read the rest of them?

President Winnecke: Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t ask you to do your dramatic reading. Thank you, please proceed.

Madelyn Grayson: The consent items for the July 12^th meeting are as follows; approval of the June 28, 2011 Commission meeting minutes; employment changes for the Commissioners approval, there is one for the Health Department, one for Veterans Services, one for the Public Defender, and one for the County Highway; the County Auditor has the June 2011 A/P vouchers and continuing disclosure documents; there are requests for waiver of fees/not overtime for the Centre, there are two for the Human Relations Commission, one for September 29, 2011 and one for October 12, 2011; the Evansville Police Department for Officer Safety and Street Survival Training on December 7^th ; the Commissioners have a blue claim for payment to the Evansville-Vanderburgh County Building Authority for loan for demolition of the old jail; there’s a notice to bidders of sale of 907 Governor and 810 East Gum Street; the County Engineer has pay request number 131 for $49,818.52 for TIF projects; the Adult Probation has a request to surplus three office chairs; the County Clerk has the May 2011 monthly report; the IBAP Gatekeeper has the June 30, 2011 report; Bohannon Estates project certifications and department head reports from the County Engineer and Burdette Park.

President Winnecke: Roll call vote please.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Abell?

Commissioner Abell: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Melcher?

Commissioner Melcher: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Winnecke?

President Winnecke: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Winnecke: Did you include the Airport Board reappointment?

Madelyn Grayson: No, I didn’t have that on here.

President Winnecke: Let’s just make that in the form, I would entertain a motion at this time to re-appoint Mr. Kaskel to the Airport Authority as this body’s appointment.

Commissioner Melcher: I’ll second it.

President Winnecke: Did you make the motion?

Commissioner Melcher: No, I thought you just said.

President Winnecke: No, I just said I would entertain a motion.

Commissioner Melcher: Oh, I’ll make the motion then.

President Winnecke: Okay.

Commissioner Abell: I’ll second it.

Commissioner Melcher: I thought you were making the motion.

President Winnecke: I’m sorry. It’s late.

Commissioner Melcher: I was trying to read at the same time you were talking.

President Winnecke: All in favor say aye.

All Commissioners: Aye.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Winnecke: Okay, next I would consider a motion to approve the CMoe request for a waiver of fees for the Centre for it’s breakfast with the Sugarplum Fairy fundraiser on November 12^th, and the set up on November 11^th. I noticed we have folks from CMoe here, who would no doubt like to make their case.

Abigail Adler: Thank you. I’m Abigail Adler, Marketing Development Coordinator with CMoe. Yes, we are here tonight to request your consideration for waiving the fees in whole, or in part for our largest fundraiser. We do, we are a non-for-profit, obviously, museum, and we do not have the capacity at our museum to host this event, which does primarily attract children and their families, mothers, parents. This year the event is in November, and at this time, with the current fee structure, we do not meet any of the minimum requirements, again, because it is primarily a kids event and we do keep costs low and the offerings low. We don’t meet any of the minimum requirements in order to get any type of fee waiver or any type of consideration for lower fees at the Centre. Right now with the current fees, for a set up date and the actual event, that actually represents more than ten percent of our total take, even on our best year, at this fundraiser. We do strive to, obviously, support the Centre and the offerings there, and we do spend anywhere from $7,000 to $8,000 in addition to the booking fees, on different services they provide. We have done this for the past, three of the past four years at the Centre. This will be our fourth year using that facility. So, we do request that you consider, I know you do have the capacity to do that, to waive those fees in part or in whole.

President Winnecke: I’ll just, I’ll tell you my, I love CMoe.

Abigail Adler: Great.

President Winnecke: I’ve been a personal contributor. I’ll tell you where I fall on this. There are, roughly a third of the business that goes into the Centre is not-for-profit organizations. As soon as we waive the fees for the first, we have to do it for all. When we waive the fees, our policy has been in my time on the Commission, that we waive fees for use by governmental, other governmental entities or quasi-governmental entities. But, I have a real fear that once we do it for CMoe every organization that rents it, the third, will expect the same. Then, at the end of the day, the burden is carried by all of the taxpayers. As much as I love CMoe, as much as I want you to make as much money as you can to continue your mission, I can’t support it.

Abigail Adler: Have you had, have you waived the fee before for any non-profits?

President Winnecke: This body has, I’ve never voted in favor of that. My vote will be consistent with what I’ve done before.

Commissioner Melcher: We usually don’t, we haven’t supported waiving fees without paying, when there’s overtime, somebody has to pay that overtime.

Abigail Adler: It’s typically not associated, ours is a morning event, and on a Friday. I don’t know that we’ve ever incorporated any overtime charges on any of our detailed billing.

Commissioner Melcher: I just threw that out, because I agree with Lloyd, there’s a lot of non-profits, I work for a non-profit. So, if we know we’re going in there, we know we’re going to have to pay for it. At least, I don’t think we’ve ever got anything waived there, before I was a Commissioner or since I’ve been a Commissioner.

Abigail Adler: Are those primarily, when the non-profits do use it, is it primarily for their fundraising efforts?

President Winnecke: Most of the time, sure. I mean, if you look at, the Keep the ARC Afloat, the Really Big Show, you know, all of those are all fundraisers, and we don’t waive the fees for those.

Abigail Adler: Alright, well, thank you for your time.

President Winnecke: We haven’t voted yet.

Abigail Adler: Oh.

President Winnecke: I mean, I would consider a motion to approve the CMoe request.

Commissioner Abell: So moved.

President Winnecke: There’s a motion. Is there a second? No second, it dies for lack of a second. I’m sorry that you had to hang around for two hours.

Abigail Adler: I learned a lot.

President Winnecke: That’s the governmental process.

Abigail Adler: I’ll stick with working with a not-for-profit, and I won’t be running for office anytime soon. You all have my respect.

President Winnecke: If nothing else you got quite the civics lesson tonight. Thank you.

President Winnecke: Rezonings, we’ve only just begun. First reading on VC-2-2011, 810 Schutte Road LLC, this is a change from R-3 to C-1. Is there anyone here to speak on behalf of that tonight? These are, each of these three are first readings. These are going to, these go to Area Plan after this for consideration at their, at its August 11^th meeting. I would consider a motion to approve.

Commissioner Abell: So moved.

Commissioner Melcher: Second.

President Winnecke: Okay. A motion and a second. Roll call vote please.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Abell?

Commissioner Abell: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Melcher?

Commissioner Melcher: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Winnecke?

President Winnecke: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Winnecke: Next, first reading on VC-3-2011, JBI Construction, 6000 Millersburg Road, change from Ag to M-3. Anyone here to speak to that? If not, I would consider a motion, for first approval to send to Area Plan.

Commissioner Melcher: I’ll make a motion to send it just to Area Plan.

Commissioner Abell: Second.

President Winnecke: A motion and a second. Roll call vote please.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Abell?

Commissioner Abell: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Melcher?

Commissioner Melcher: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Winnecke?

President Winnecke: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Winnecke: Next, first reading on VC-4-2011, Buttonwood Properties LLC, 3901 North St. Joseph Avenue, a change from R-1 to M-2. Anyone here to speak to that?

Commissioner Melcher: I’ll make the motion just to send it to Area Plan.

Commissioner Abell: Second.

President Winnecke: A motion and a second. Roll call vote please.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Abell?

Commissioner Abell: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Melcher?

Commissioner Melcher: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Winnecke?

President Winnecke: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Winnecke: Any other business to come before this body?

Commissioner Melcher: I have one. I think all of us received one, and copies for everybody. Like I’ve got the one for JBI Construction and I got about six copies.

President Winnecke: Right, same here.

Commissioner Melcher: So, you’ve probably got one for somebody else, and, Marsha, you’ve probably got–

Commissioner Abell: Oh.

Commissioner Melcher: –one for the rest of them. So, we probably need to interchange, exchange so that everybody’s got copies.

President Winnecke: Good point. Any other business to come before this body? If not I would entertain a motion to adjourn.

Commissioner Melcher: So moved.

Commissioner Abell: Second.

President Winnecke: We are adjourned.

(The meeting was adjourned at 7:04 p.m.)

CONSENT ITEMS:

Commissioners:

Approval of the June 28, 2011 Commission Meeting Minutes.

Blue Claim for Payment to EVCBA: Old Jail Demolition Loan Payment.

Notice to Bidders: County Owned Property: 907 Governor & 810 E. Gum.

IBAP Gatekeeper: June 30, 2011 Report.

Bohannon Estates Project Certifications.

Re-Appointment of Rick Kaskel: Airport Authority Board.

Employment Changes:

Health Dept (1)                         Veterans Services (1)               Public Defender (1)

County Highway (1)                  Sheriff (5)                                  Circuit Court (2)

County Clerk (1)                       Superior Court (2)

County Auditor:

Approval of the June 2011 A/P Vouchers.

Approval of Continuing Disclosure Documents.

Centre Fee Waiver/Not Overtime Requests:

Human Relations Commission: 9/29/2011 & 10/12/2011.

EPD: 12/7/2011: Officer Safety and Street Survival Training.

CMoe: Sugarplum Fairy Fundraiser: 11/11-11/12/11: Denied.

County Engineer: Pay Request No. 131: Green River-Burkhardt TIF Projects.

Surplus Requests: Circuit Court: Adult Probation: (3) Office Chairs.

County Clerk: May 2011 Monthly Report.

Department Head Reports:              County Engineer             Burdette Park

Those in Attendance:

Lloyd Winnecke                        Marsha Abell                            Stephen Melcher

Joe Gries                                  Ted C. Ziemer, Jr.                    Marissa Nichoalds

Madelyn Grayson                     Ralph Nichols                           Tim Tharp

Debbie Dewey                          Susan Kirk                                Delores Koch

Eric Williams                             Chris Locker                             Justin Shofstall

Randy Sheffer                          Steve Hess                               Bill Roach

Bob Wootton                             Sherman Greer                         Steve Craig

John Stoll                                  Bruce Ungenthiem                    Abigail Adler

Others Unidentified                   Members of Media

VANDERBURGH COUNTY

BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS

Lloyd Winnecke, President

Marsha Abell, Vice President

Stephen Melcher, Member

(Recorded and transcribed by Madelyn Grayson.)