VANDERBURGH COUNTY

BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS

JANUARY 19, 2010

The Vanderburgh County Board of Commissioners met in session this 19^th day of January, 2010 at 5:02 p.m. in room 301 of the Civic Center Complex with President Stephen Melcher presiding.

President Melcher: We would like to go ahead and call to order the Vanderburgh County Board of Commissioners. It’s January 19, 2010, it’s about 5:02, we’re a couple of minutes late. We need a roll call vote, Madelyn.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Here.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Here.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Here.

President Melcher: We can stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. Madelyn, would you lead us in the Pledge this evening?

Madelyn Grayson: Sure.

(The Pledge of Allegiance was given.)

Commissioner Tornatta: Mr. President, I have a guest with us today, Ellen Dippel. Ellen, you are from?

Ellen Dippel: Memorial.

Commissioner Tornatta: Memorial High School. Welcome.

President Melcher: Okay, we also have one from Signature School. Would you like to give your name and class?

McKenzie Thomas: Hi, I’m McKenzie Thomas.

President Melcher: What class?

McKenzie Thomas: 2012, I’m a Sophomore.

President Melcher: Thank you. Do we have any more?

President Melcher: Okay, with that I would like to get away from the agenda for a minute. We’ve been talking about consolidation for a couple of meetings now, and talking to the City Council members, they’re stuck on three members and they’re not going to get off. I’ve spoken with the Mayor, I’ve spoken with the President of the County Council, there’s a feeling in the community that all of us ought to have the same amount of appointments. I believe, right now, everybody’s pretty much, not that everybody agrees to it, but the City Council is not budging. I think the Mayor is okay with three, the County Council is glad that they’ve got some. So, they’re okay with three, so, it’s up to us.

Commissioner Winnecke: I think 12 is a good working number, I think, for the work that’s ahead. I think, you know, at some point we have to trust that the system is going to work. I think it would be prudent for each of us to submit to you a list of potential committee members, and then I would suggest maybe the best thing for you to do is to sit down with the Mayor and the leadership of the other two bodies to formulate the list based on the names that we submit and the names they bring to the table.

President Melcher: That’s kind of what B.J. Watts, the President of the City Council, said. He said, how do we do it? I said, I’m not sure, probably it’s that we would all pick three and then we would check and see if nobody’s picking the same person three times. That might be an answer. Troy, do you have–

Commissioner Tornatta: I think that there’s several ways to go about it. Originally we had talked about a criteria basis. I think at some point the criteria basis takes as much politics out of the program as possible. But, in all of this we have to work together, and I’m very flexible on how we’re going to put these people in place. I’ve talked to some individuals in the community that would be willing to facilitate if we were to go beyond that. My only issue in any circumstance is that if we pick the people in this place and it associates back to one board or another, does that compromise the study? That’s the only thing I’m really worried about. My object here is to put the best foot forward for each of the entities, and for us all to work together and have faith in each other’s members on this particular panel. I really think the best way to do that would be to have a criteria based plan, everyone agrees with the criteria first, the second part of the plan would be then to all submit names for that criteria and everybody be in agreement of each other’s names. Much like they do on a panel at Congress. They approve judges because the Congress looks over the criteria of that judge to be the apolitical way to do things. But, there are other ways. So, if it’s the privilege of this Board to move with a certain number and put people in place, I will yield, but if it’s to go a way that keeps it as apolitical as possible, I’m for that as well.

President Melcher: I think we could kind of do it two-folded. I think when we submit the names we could put their criteria and what they are, but I think we do have a list, like a business person, a police officer maybe, maybe a sheriff, a farmer, somebody that’s against it, a union representative, there’s just a whole bunch of criterias, we have about 15 of them. Maybe between the four of us, one from each body, we might be able to come up with the right mix and then we’ll vote on the names. I think that might, we could do both, you know, at the same time as what you’re talking about, Troy.

Commissioner Tornatta: Well, I’ve talked to Dr. Fisher, I’ve talked to the former President of USI, Ray Hoops, and President Steve Jennings, they would serve as facilitators for this group of names, or this group of criteria, if we saw fit to have that type of input from those three gentlemen. They are very much into trying to learn the system and how it goes. They have some from the past study, they learned a lot, but they’re educators and they’re upstanding individuals in this community, and I think that maybe, here again, we might use some outside services to facilitate between all boards.

Commissioner Winnecke: So, just to, I’m not entirely sure I understand what you’re saying, but under that scenario the leadership of the four organizations or the four branches would come up with a number of names, 12 names, and then those three people would evaluate whether....I’m not sure what those three people would evaluate. Are they approving our recommendations?

Commissioner Tornatta: I don’t think they’re approving the recommendations. They are, they would be the go between if there were issues between the boards that were unresolved to try and make sure that those names were fitting with the whole fabric that we’re wanting to kind of come up with. I mean, what we’re saying is, is three is the number. I don’t know if three is the number to be real honest with you. It might be 15 for the entire group, it might be 27, I really don’t know what that number is. Twenty seven might be too many, 15 might be not enough. Initially, what my thought was, if we did a criteria base, we would all agree on the criteria of what we wanted on that board, and it might be 16 criteria points. That being said, then that’s the number we would look for people to put on that board. If, just saying 12 might not cover all of our bases, might compromise the study, making it invalid in several different areas and potentially sure to fail in one way or another. I want to set this up so that it comes out to the public with the best opportunity to get their vote on the particular measures that are set before them.

President Melcher: I think it’s almost going to have to be the 12, only because the City Council’s not going to budge off the three. They’re not going to let us have more than them. Then if we don’t get it done by the 10^th, it automatically falls on the 11^th it goes out of our hands, it comes back to us picking three and the Mayor picking three.

Commissioner Tornatta: Then they get no votes.

President Melcher: Then there will only be six.

Commissioner Tornatta: So, I mean–

President Melcher: They get no votes. That’s why they said three, and they said they weren’t budging.

Commissioner Tornatta: Well, then they can have three or zero the way I look at it.

President Melcher: Well, the State law says they get three.

Commissioner Tornatta: Well, the Mayor would get three.

President Melcher: Right, but they would get three if we agree to the three. If we don’t agree with them and they don’t agree with us, and the 30 day clock ends, then we don’t have anything. That’s the way it is.

Commissioner Tornatta: When the shot clock ends, then the Mayor and the County Commissioners–

President Melcher: Pick three each–

Commissioner Tornatta: Three a piece.

President Melcher: –and that’s six.

Commissioner Tornatta: Right.

President Melcher: So, this is a starting point. I think if they want other people to come they can do that. I’m sure a lot of people is going to be going to these meetings and we want these meetings to be open, we want people to be able to testify, we want people to ask questions after the meetings. So, I think everything is going to be open. But, if we can’t agree on the number we’re not going to get going and you said yourself, Troy, you wanted us to move this thing along, we won’t be able to pick them, we won’t be able to vote on them until our next meeting, which is only a few days before the cut off date. Everybody meets at a different time. So, we’re trying–

Commissioner Tornatta: Well, keep in mind, I don’t really care about the moving along, that’s not my intent, my intent is to set it up so that it has an opportunity to be, to have its day in court. Whether, as I told Roberta, we will not hastily move this forward just to get a vote by November. So, if the process fails because people don’t want to play in the same sandbox, then it’s not going to get past the first hurdle. So, you know, but it’s–

Commissioner Winnecke: I guess, I’m still not entirely clear what the role of the three educators that you referenced would be.

Commissioner Tornatta: Just facilitators.

Commissioner Winnecke: Facilitators of the committee’s work?

Commissioner Tornatta: No, initially they’re going to be facilitators to make sure that the people get put in a spot, okay? If we were, depending on what we were doing, if it’s criteria based that they’re working out with the other bodies on a criteria point if that’s a doctor, a lawyer or whatever it is, there might be three or four names thrown out there and they would go back and try and work it so that there’s one name in that spot.

Commissioner Winnecke: Okay. I think I have a better feel for where your line...you know, to me, I think at some point we have to trust the leadership of the people that we, in this case we’ve entrusted Steve to be our President for this year, and, you know, I have a list that I’m almost ready to send to whomever. I would trust that he would be able to sit down and visit with the Mayor and leadership of the other two bodies and represent our interests. I would think that the President of those two bodies and the Mayor and President Melcher could formulate a 12 or so member committee that’s diverse, and represents, as you say, the fabric of the community. I mean, with all due respect to the gentlemen you mentioned, I think we could save considerable time by entrusting those that we’ve elected, in my opinion.

President Melcher: I do think what you said a while ago, if it comes down to where we do have a problem, we might be able to get those three involved at that time. If we don’t have a problem, then we’re moving forward. So, if we’re okay with that, we probably would need an official motion that we’re going to pick three.

Commissioner Winnecke: Mr. Chairman, I would move that, I’m trying to remember how, think of how to word this, that the reorganization committee consist of 12 members, three of whom are appointed by this body, three of whom are recommended by the County Council, three of whom are recommended by the City Council, and three of whom are recommended by the Mayor.

President Melcher: Okay.

Commissioner Tornatta: Second.

President Melcher: So, we have a first and second. Madelyn, would you call the roll?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Melcher: So, with that we’ll start the paperwork and I’ll call the Presidents and say let’s get some names together. On the name I would like to see what their role is, maybe a resume or something to, or something. Alrighty, so we’ll move on now with action items.

President Melcher: The first one is Ben Miller, Building Commission report. Is Ben here? I didn’t see him. Alright, we’ll skip that one.

President Melcher: Okay, the Southern Indiana Classic Marathon, a road race scheduled to take place in Vanderburgh County. Jill Gehlhausen will be here, is going to be here to talk about it.

Jill Gehlhausen: Hello. Do you care if I approach and hand out a hand out to you guys?

President Melcher: Yes, go ahead.

Jill Gehlhausen: Is that alright?

President Melcher: Be sure to state your name and that for the record.

Tim Roman: My name is Tim Roman.

Lee Rudisill: My name is Lee Rudisill.

Jill Gehlhausen: They’re board members of the Southern Indiana Classic Marathon Road Runners Club. My name is Jill Gehlhausen and I’m race director and president of the Southern Indiana Classic Marathon Road Runners Club. We presented to you a few months ago, and we talked about the excitement with the event, and you asked us to talk with the Sheriff’s Office. We have met three times with them and have several other scheduled meetings with them, but they have given us their approval to approach you again and see if you would be willing to approve the roads being closed for April 11, 2010. The document in front of you shows exactly at every mile marker how long it will need to be closed based on the fastest runner and the slowest walker allowed for our time table. We have a committee of 12 people alone just working on the course. That includes someone from Animal Control, that includes the Fire Department, and someone from the Sheriff’s Office.

President Melcher: Okay. Eric, would you mind speaking on this? Because I just want to make sure that you’re satisfied and you’re secure with this since your men are doing it.

Eric Williams: Sheriff Eric Williams. We have met with them on several occasions. I have assigned a member of my staff to their core committee to meet with them on a regular basis. We have gone over the course. We feel like we’ve got a good handle for it. The only thing that’s yet to be determined, and we’re still working those numbers out is the renumeration or the cost factor to the county for providing security. What I had hoped to do was present numbers to their organization based on our projected overtime and fuel and equipment costs, let them see that, agree that that’s a good cost and then come to you and ask for permission to basically contract our services as the county Sheriff’s Office to them for that flat fee based on what we expect to see happen out there. That’s kind of where we’re at right now. We’re in the final stages of fine tuning that number. So, am I prepared to say, yes, move forward, minus that number with the understanding that we work that out, yes. We’ve worked with them, we feel like that this is a very doable event. It’s going to be a very large event. It’s going to be very labor intensive, and there are going to be some dollar costs associated with that, but in our meetings with their organization and giving them our rough numbers they’ve not hesitated yet and said they could cover that. I’ve taken the stance that, and the feedback that I felt that I got was that this was something that the county was going to help with but we were not going to be out any dollars doing it.

President Melcher: Exactly. I don’t know if I feel comfortable voting on it to move on tonight without those numbers. But, I think there’s a consensus that it’s okay to move forward. I mean, if I’m wrong somebody needs to speak up.

Commissioner Winnecke: Yeah, I agree.

President Melcher: Troy?

Jill Gehlhausen: Great.

President Melcher: Okay. So, if you don’t mind, you go ahead and keep going, but until we get real actually numbers and you agree to the numbers and the Sheriff agrees to the numbers, that’s the night we need to vote on it.

Jill Gehlhausen: Sure. Are you okay with us going ahead with course certification to have the final stage of the Boston qualifications?

President Melcher: We’re okay as long as you know it’s going to hinge on you agreeing with the Sheriff.

Jill Gehlhausen: Okay.

President Melcher: And being able to pay the amount, the money.

Jill Gehlhausen: Sure. The last item is, when we were here last we had a request for the addresses along the course. We have not only counted all of the addresses on the course, but any road that only has access through the course, and that total is 633. We are working on contacting every address, in numerous ways, but making sure that they are very aware of what time their area of the course will be closed. It won’t just be for the entire time. Each area will have just only a specific time.

Commissioner Winnecke: 633 residences in total on the course?

Jill Gehlhausen: Uh-huh.

Commissioner Winnecke: This chart is very helpful, by the way, in terms of, I don’t know who designed that, but it’s–

Jill Gehlhausen: Lee Rudisill.

Commissioner Winnecke: Good job.

Jill Gehlhausen: Thank you.

Eric Williams: If I could add, I would just comment and compliment them, this is a fairly aggressive undertaking and they have done an outstanding job of providing the information that we’ve asked for, because we tend to pick things apart pretty thoroughly and they’ve been very responsive to my requests through Major Molden. Like I said, Major Molden has been assigned to their core committee, and he’s been meeting with them on a....as a matter of fact, he’s meeting them and the fire service as soon as this meeting is over with tonight. So, I have no doubt that if we can work that number out that there’s no reason not to let this move forward from our perspective and everybody else’s.

President Melcher: Okay, any other questions by anyone? Okay. Thanks very much.

Jill Gehlhausen: Thank you.

Commissioner Winnecke: Thanks.

President Melcher: Next we have the County Treasurer, Rick Davis. They’re going to discuss establishing the Board of Finance for 2010 review–

Rick Davis: Yes.

President Melcher: –and approve bid for in-house printing.

Rick Davis: We’ll start out with the finances first. Good afternoon. Rick Davis, the Vanderburgh County Treasurer. I’m here today first of all because State law requires the Treasurer to meet with the Vanderburgh County Commissioners in the month of January and establish the Board of Finance. Historically the county uses this meeting to vote for a president and a secretary, and historically the Treasurer is the president of the Board of Finance, and the Auditor is the secretary. If you would like to continue with that practice, I would be happy to oblige. But, I’ve been told it’s something that you generally make in the order of a motion.

Commissioner Winnecke: So moved.

Commissioner Tornatta: Second.

President Melcher: We have a first and a second. Is there any discussion? Bill, do you have anything to say on that?

Bill Fluty: I would be happy to serve.

President Melcher: Okay. With that, Marilyn, will you call the roll?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

Rick Davis: I apologize. I’m battling a cold, so bear with me. My chief deputy, Zachary Heronemus, handed out an interest summary from our Trust in Indiana investments. Every month our office provides you a list of CD’s and what they’ve earned in interest earned, and I printed out, we started in April with Trust in Indiana. It’s one more way for us to diversify our funds and also keeps us liquid in the event we have some claims come in on a Friday with maybe one extra zero in the end of them that we weren’t anticipating, Trust in Indiana allows us to move that money the same day, without....you know, a CD, historically, if you break a CD there are penalties and interest that you have to pay, with Trust in Indiana you make a money maneuver as I call it, before 11:00 in the morning and it’s done that day. So, it’s been very helpful this year. As you can see we earned almost $150,000 in interest just off of Trust in Indiana with all of our sub-accounts including our General Fund. Overall, I kind of warned you in the beginning of the year that this was not going to be a very fun year with investments. The Fed cut interest rates down to nothing, and as a result our, the money that we have earned off of interest this year is right at one million dollars. I’m very happy with that, because it’s amazing that we were able to make a million. Our average interest rate was only one percent for the entire year on our CD’s. It was 1.02943. Our CD’s earned $868,000, including the Trust in Indiana, $1,017,000. I’m sorry, one million, yes, that’s correct. In 2008 we earned three million dollars in interest, but that was with an average rate of 2.7, and that’s almost three times what we earned this year. To put that in perspective, at the end of ‘07 there was an eight day investment of three million dollars and we had a 4.3 percent interest rate on a three million dollar investment that was only eight days. In 2009 that same investment was .35. That is almost a 92 percent decrease in interest. So, again, that puts the one million dollars we earned this year in perspective. Things are looking up for this year. I went to a Treasurer’s conference here in Evansville, and one of the speakers was Bob Jones, the President of Old National Bank, who is also a Federal Reserve member in St. Louis, at, this was the end of September, he predicted we had four to six more quarters before things turned around economically. In this area, I learned from Mr. Jones today, things are looking up for this year, even compared to September of last year. So, I’m very hopeful for next year. The last three investments of the year we made three million dollars each. One for 182 days, and one for one year and one for two years. The interest rates were .5, 1.05 and 1.46 respectively. In just those three investments we’re going to bring in $128,000. Now, one of them doesn’t mature until 2011, but as you can see with what we’ve done with Trust in Indiana we were able to extend the number of days of our investments to earn more interest. That’s really, when you’re dealing with public investing, the best way in this economy is to link in the number of days of your investment to get a better interest rate. That’s what we’re shooting for. Also, I would like to add, because of the rotten economy, and not knowing where we were going to be, I did not estimate a very high amount of money for us to earn in interest for 2010. I put in there basically $200,000 in investments for 2010. We’re going to easily surpass that. So, I hate to say I low balled the County Council on what we were going to earn, but I didn’t want to overestimate what we were going to bring in, let them spend out the wazoo and then have me be to blame because we didn’t earn money interest-wise, but, already, if the CD’s that we’ve invested for 2010 come due, we’ve already surpassed the $200,000. So, when we have our budget hearings this July, I should be able to give a much better economic outlook for the rest of this year, and make it a little rosier for 2011. That’s all I have as far as the investments go. Do you have, I would be happy to answer any questions.

President Melcher: Questions?

Commissioner Tornatta: I guess, we have to have a motion to accept the report.

President Melcher: Okay. So, is there a motion?

Commissioner Tornatta: I make that in the form of a motion, to accept the report.

Commissioner Winnecke: Second.

President Melcher: So, we have a first and second. Madelyn, will you call the roll?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Melcher: The next one is approve the bid for in-house printing.

Rick Davis: Okay, I’ll try to be brief, but also try to educate everyone watching at home what we’re about to do. Last year the Vanderburgh County Treasurer’s office spent $46,300 to have our bills printed. They were printed in South Carolina. The last two years Vanderburgh County has not met the statutory May 10^th deadline for spring, but we were the first county in the State in 2008, and among the top 13 counties in 2009 to bill in a timely manner. In 2010 Vanderburgh County is set to achieve on-time billing as we speak. To do so, I’ve determined that it would be best if we printed our bills in-house rather than having a vendor do it outside. To do so we would have to expend some capital costs up front. Last meeting, two weeks ago, the Commissioners opened three bids for a folder/inserter/sealer, and we had two bids of $56,708. I do feel that is the most responsive bid, and the reason why is the County Council has set our budget for 2010 at $65,000. The other bid, which was from a very good competitor, Pitney Bowes, was above the $65,000 limit. It would be best for us to proceed staying under budget. Additionally, we would need to purchase $20,000 for two printers and toner and maintenance kits that I feel would do this job for three years. That line item would come from the County Council under an Office Machines budget, and in February I’m going to the Council to get that approved. It would not need to come before the Commissioners. In future years the cost of supplies, which would be envelopes, paper, toner, printer maintenance should drop our budget down from the $46,300 we spent last year to around $16,300 a year on average in years two, three, four and five. That $16,000 figure includes $6,000 for a maintenance agreement on the equipment and about $10,000 in supplies. Another reason that I feel the bid from Hasler is more responsive is that it includes a maintenance agreement for years two, three, four and five at $5,995 per year. The bid from Pitney Bowes had a one year maintenance agreement, or warranty I should say, but did not specify how much it would cost in years two, three, four and five. I have also looked to see if printers in the state and in the city could do this job, they can, but there would be additional costs. They’re in it for profit, we’re not in it for profit. I believe that we could see a savings of $46,000 over a five year period with the costs that the local printers, which were much cheaper than the $46,000 we spent out of state. The three quotes that I had talked to you about before, again, they were opened January 5^th at the Commission meeting. If you were to approve this request today, my next step would be to go the Council for the $20,000 in printers. I visited Old National Bank, their operations area, the same type of series printers that are being proposed to us, they have two printers, one of them had nearly five million impressions in its history, the other had four million, for a total of nine million impressions. To do our job would take approximately 800,000 impressions per year. So, the machinery we are getting is built to last and it will be able to handle the load, with proper maintenance and care. We’re always looking at ways to cut costs to taxpayers, I’ll be able to answer any questions you may have for me. My recommendation at this time is to approve Hasler as the winning bid at $56,708 for the folder/inserter/sealer and software.

President Melcher: Any questions? Lloyd?

Commissioner Winnecke: Rick, what about the service agreement?

Rick Davis: Yeah, years two, three, four and five at $5,995.

Commissioner Winnecke: So, that’s in addition to the $56,708.

Rick Davis: Yes, the 56 is the first year–

Commissioner Winnecke: Right.

Rick Davis: –and it includes the first year warranty and the software, everything. Years two, three, four and five, the county, and this is what I would put in my request to Council when I do my budgets in August, I would put the $6,000 in my Printing requests to pay for property tax billing knowing that $6,000 of that would go to pay the maintenance agreement on this equipment. Southern Business Machines is the dealer who handles Hasler. They have provided a purchase agreement with you today that I would be glad to give you as well, if you do approve it. We, time is of the essence as well. We, it will take approximately six to eight weeks for the equipment to be manufactured, delivered and set up in our office. My goal is to begin printing bills in March, if the Auditor’s office calculates the bills and hands them over to us, which I believe will be the case. At that time we’ll have the printers in place, our staff can focus all of their time and energy on doing that one portion of the bill, especially since this is the first year, printing the bills, organizing the, making sure the quality is high. The folder/inserter equipment will be inserted in later on, and then the staff can focus all of their attention on feeding the folder/inserter and learning a new job. I think it’s almost perfect for them to be able....next year they’re going to have to kind of do a little bit of both, print, fold, insert, print, fold and insert, but this year being their first year I think it’s a good idea for them to do all of one task, get it done, out of the way, and then complete the task with the folder/inserter. It’s, I hope it works out. I have a plan, I just have to execute it at this point.

President Melcher: Troy, do you have anything?

Commissioner Tornatta: No, just it looks like Rick and Zach exhausted all opportunities to make sure that we were going down the right road, and appreciate you guys taking care of that side of the business. They’ve also extended that once they get their production up and running that there might be opportunities to do some more, help some more offices out with their printing load and or stuffing load or whatever they need to do. As long as they’re prepared and ready to go, I’m going to back ‘ya and approve this. I make a motion to approve this expenditure with the referenced party and get these things rolling.

Commissioner Winnecke: Second.

President Melcher: So, we have a first and a second that we’re moving to accept this bid from Hasler, right?

Rick Davis: Yes, that’s correct.

President Melcher: Madelyn, will you call the roll, please?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

Rick Davis: I’ll give you these purchase agreements.

President Melcher: You want to give them to the Attorney first.

Madelyn Grayson: Rick, is that what they need to sign this evening?

President Melcher: Anything else, Rick?

Rick Davis: No, I’m on the agenda later. I’ll be back.

President Melcher: Okay.

Rick Davis: Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. There’s an old saying in the counsel of many there is wisdom, and I want to tell everyone at home that the Commissioners have been very involved in this whole process, as has the Council. I’ve received lots of favorable input and suggestions on the bill printing for this year. I intend to use them to the best of our ability, and hopefully people will have more than a two week or three week window to get their bill and pay this year. It’s my goal to have at least one solid month where people get the bill in the mail and are able to pay their bill in a timely manner. May 10^th is the deadline this year and we hope to stick to it. Thank you.

Commissioner Winnecke: Thanks, Rick. Nice job.

President Melcher: Thank you.

President Melcher: Next is the first reading of CO.01-10-002, an ordinance rescinding the county ordinance CO.04-09-009, and amending the county ordinance entitled MBE/WBE joint utilization board. The ordinance rescinds, the ordinance to be adopted in 2009 needs to be amended to align with the city ordinance. This is something I think we’re always trying to do is make the city and the county, as much as possible, to be the same. Is there any discussion even?

Commissioner Tornatta: Motion to approve.

Commissioner Winnecke: Second.

President Melcher: I have a first and second. Madelyn, call the roll.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Melcher: Thank you.

President Melcher: Next is the sale of county real estate to the abutting land owner. I understand, David, you’re going to discuss this?

David Miller: Well, Mr. President, this is real estate that has been taken by the county for non-payment of taxes, and the statute requires that abutting land owners be given the first opportunity to buy, and that is done by a notice pursuant to the Indiana Code section 36-1-11-16. I think pursuant to that statute it’s appropriate for you to authorize the issuance of this notice. I have it here for your signature subject to the approval of the Commissioners.

Commissioner Tornatta: Motion to approve.

Commissioner Winnecke: Second.

President Melcher: Anymore discussion? Anybody from the audience. Seeing none, Madelyn?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Melcher: Next we have naming of new precincts due to the annexation. What the city did they moved in to Knight Township, and Pigeon. Pigeon Three is going to be the city 4-2, and then it looks like Knight Three is going to be in the Third Ward, the First Precinct. Tony, did you want to discuss any of this? Okay, so, we’re going to need a motion.

Commissioner Tornatta: I guess, what we do need to say is P-3 would vote at 609 Southeast Second Street, and 3-1, which was Knight Three would vote at Good Shepard Assembly of God Church at 4330 North Burkhardt Road. So, those are the two changes.

David Miller: I believe that’s the same place they voted last year.

Commissioner Tornatta: Okay.

Commissioner Winnecke: Should that be City Four, 4-2, instead of P-3?

Commissioner Tornatta: I’m sorry, City 4-2 would vote at 609 Southeast Second Street.

President Melcher: Yeah, and they were voting in the Civic Center. It’s only a few houses.

Commissioner Tornatta: Then City 3-1 would be at the Good Shepard Assembly of God. I make a motion to approve.

Commissioner Winnecke: So moved, second. Sorry.

President Melcher: Any discussion from the public? Seeing none, Madelyn?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Melcher: Next is contracts, leases and agreements. The Treasurer, I guess you’re back up sooner. You’re gonna, with the RBF Recovery Solutions, LLC for the NSF collections.

Rick Davis: Yes, just to give you a brief synopsis. Again, Rick Davis, the Vanderburgh County Treasurer. Our office deposits a lot of money, obviously, with the bank, but not all of the money is generated from our office. The county, in general, receives a lot of money, take Burdette Park, for instance, their day care, the Health Department, Area Plan, those entities come to our office and quietus the money into accounts. Then we deposit into Old National Bank. If someone bounces a check or stops payment or gets rid of their account, you know, closes out their account, our staff is the one who’s encumbered with the time and expense of collecting that check, even though we weren’t the ones who received, cashiered the check originally. Bottom Line Services gives us an advantage. We will have to give notice, fair warning to the taxpayer when we mail out our bills, which I will do, and also at the windows of every place in the county where they receive checks, but if someone bounces a check, let’s say for $50, they’ve only got 45 in their account, this company will take over the collections of that account. They can electronically withdraw the funds from someone’s bank account. They keep an eye on that account, and the moment that it has enough money in there to cover the bounced check they electronically withdraw it and the county gets our money at no cost to the county whatsoever. There is a $27.50 fee to the person who has written the bad check or dishonored check, however, let’s all keep in mind it is against the law to be writing bad checks. Again, this is very important to our office because my co-workers are the ones who have to work these bad checks, even though they may not generate from our office. This will give our small staff, we’re down to 12 people now, the ability to wait on the public at the counter, rather than trying to find dishonored checks that have been written all over the county. After 180 days, they keep an electronic eye on that account, after 180 days if no one puts any more money in that account, this company is licensed in the State of Indiana as a collections agent, and then they treat it like it’s a collection, a collection account. They will send letters and make phone calls to try to collect on the account. I think it’s a very good thing for the county to do this.

Commissioner Tornatta: Is there some type of fee outside of when you go to that period, do they have a different fee structure?

Rick Davis: No.

Commissioner Tornatta: It’s all the same?

Rick Davis: There is no cost to the county at all.

Commissioner Tornatta: Okay.

Rick Davis: Now, as far as the consumer goes, I think there is an additional fee if someone pays by debit over the phone of five dollars, but I’ve been told it’s $27.50, it’s the State allowable. Actually the County Attorney may know if it’s higher than that, but they are going only by the State allowable limit.

Commissioner Tornatta: Okay.

President Melcher: David, did you have something to say?

David Miller: Well, just so you know, if they go to collection through a legal process on a bad check, there is a statute that authorizes charging attorney’s fees. I’m sure that this company would recover it’s fees and expenses that way.

Commissioner Tornatta: On the recommendation of the Treasurer, I would like to recommend that we put RBF Recovery Solutions LLC as the payment collector.

Commissioner Winnecke: Second.

President Melcher: A first and a second. Any other discussion? Madelyn?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

Rick Davis: I would like to thank our County Attorney’s office for the work they put into this. I have received stickers in the mail that we’ll be putting at all of our cashier’s stations. I’ll be sure to get a hold of Burdette Park and the Health Department and make sure that everyone who receipts money in from the county will have fair warning at the cashier window when people write checks. Thank you for your time.

President Melcher: Thank you.

Commissioner Winnecke: Thanks, Rick.

President Melcher: Next is Superior Court 2010 CASA contract. A renewal contract with CASA for the period of January 1, 2010 through the 31^st. This is the same contract that we’ve signed in years past except it’s been decreased from $96,164 to $96,000.

Commissioner Tornatta: Motion to approve.

Commissioner Winnecke: Second.

President Melcher: We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Madelyn?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Melcher: Then next is an agreement with Purdue University for a grant for $72,934 for the Vanderburgh County Purdue Extension Services. This is amendment two of the 2008 agreement. It was approved and extended through 2010. The grant amount was going to remain the same as 2009, which is $72,934.

Commissioner Tornatta: Motion to approve.

Commissioner Winnecke: Second.

President Melcher: Any discussion on that? Seeing none, Madelyn?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Melcher: Next is a lease agreement with Robert W. Collier for the Old Courthouse suite 304. It’s a lease of 304 courthouse to him for one year, two thousand one ten, through 1/31/11 for the use of manufacturing rep for automated equipment. The rent is going to be two hundred a month and it starts....is there any discussion? Is there a motion?

Commissioner Winnecke: I’ll move approval.

Commissioner Tornatta: Second.

President Melcher: We have a motion and a second. Any more discussion? Madelyn?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Melcher: Pretty soon we might have the whole thing leased up. Next is the county right-of-way encroachment agreement with Hamilton Creek. David, are you going to discuss that?

David Miller: Well, for purposes of explanation, the developer and the homeowner’s association in Hamilton Creek Subdivision have asked that the roadways be accepted for maintenance by the county. The County Engineer, as we understand it, has indicated that the roadways are of sufficient quality for acceptance to be approved, however, there are encroachments onto the right-of-way that exist, notwithstanding the quality of the roadways, and this agreement would permit the county to remove those encroachments, if and when necessary, at no cost to the county. That’s the purpose of this county right-of-way encroachment agreement.

Commissioner Winnecke: I’ll move approval, Mr. President.

Commissioner Tornatta: Second.

President Melcher: We have a first and second. Any further discussion? Is there anybody from the public that would like to speak on this? Seeing none, Madelyn?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Melcher: Next is Burdette Park, an agreement with Protech Satellite Service for Dish Network service for six chalets. Do you want to tell us a little bit about this, Steve?

Steve Craig: Steve Craig, Manager of Burdette Park. What this consists of is that we were wanting to put cable television in our chalets. We started working on this probably five or six months ago. It entailed a lot more than what I thought. Some of the cable companies had to run the cable, they wanted to charge us for that, and we finally dealt with two or three different companies that did dishes, and this is the best deal that we could come up with. It is, I think, very reasonable for all six chalets and that is going to be $80 a month. I wish mine was that cheap at home.

President Melcher: So, it’s actually $80.98 per month for all six?

Steve Craig: Yes, sir.

President Melcher: Because I had that down as a question.

Commissioner Tornatta: Good. Motion to approve.

Steve Craig: Thank you.

Commissioner Winnecke: Second.

President Melcher: We have a first and a second. Any further discussion? Anybody from the public? Seeing none, Madelyn?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Melcher: Mine cost more at home too. Thank you, Steve.

Steve Craig: I’ve got the next one too.

President Melcher: Oh, that’s right, American Structurepoint change in service authorization. Did you want to discuss?

Steve Craig: Yeah, what this is, is the 30 acres that we purchased two years ago, Structurepoint’s been doing all of the engineering on it for the infrastructure. They have that part finished, and what this is is the extension of the storm sewers and the storm overflow into the present parks storm system. They’re going to, I had them amend it, I had talked to Troy earlier in the year and this is going, they’re going to tell us how to connect to our electric, our sewers and our storm service in the park so that the new 30 acres will be tied into the park. Then, another part of it was to do the parking and the camping area at the campground. When this money was given to us by the Evansville Visitors and Convention Bureau, they instructed that we should have some excess parking put up there for the BMX and that is included in here for them to lay out the extra 50 parking spots on the northwest side of this property. This is just a continuation of our development of this property to get it ready to where we can start utilizing it.

Commissioner Tornatta: Right, as I was talking to the engineers out there, it seemed like, which I believe it’s $18,000, is that what–

Steve Craig: $18,900.

Commissioner Tornatta: $18,900, and that would take them through, if we were to extend this contract, I think we’ll find savings that, they’re out there, they’re familiar with the properties and they’re able to continue what they’ve done as opposed to them going out and hiring somebody to learn the properties and do everything. So, at this point I would make a recommendation to continue with American Structurepoint.

President Melcher: So, that’s a motion?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes, it was.

Commissioner Winnecke: I’ll second it. I would like to ask a question.

President Melcher: Okay.

Commissioner Winnecke: At the right time. Is this the right time?

President Melcher: Yes.

Commissioner Winnecke: Steve, how are you going to account for the $18,900? How is that going to be paid?

Steve Craig: That money was going to come out of Parks and Recreation CCD money. That’s where the other monies that we took for last year came out of.

President Melcher: Okay, we have a first and second. Any other discussion? Anybody from the audience? Seeing none. Madelyn?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

Steve Craig: Thank you.

President Melcher: Thank you.

Commissioner Winnecke: Thanks, Steve.

President Melcher: Next is the Sheriff, amendment number three to the agreement with ARAMARK Food Services. The agreement will extend it to January 15, 2011, but the per meal cost is going to stay the same at $1.227 through January 15, 2011.

Commissioner Winnecke: Mr. Chairman–

Commissioner Tornatta: Do you want to take all of these?

President Melcher: Do you want to do all of them?

Commissioner Winnecke: Sure.

Commissioner Tornatta: They’re all the Sheriff’s.

President Melcher: Okay, then agreement with Integrated Consultants for computer consolidation for 2010, the agreement for Sheriff Williams to operate the Community Corrections program for 2010, and agreement for the compensation of the Vanderburgh County Sheriff during 2010. So, we’re just going to take a motion for all four?

Commissioner Tornatta: I would recommend all of these be approved as written.

Commissioner Winnecke: Mr. Chairman, I will make the second just for, we probably ought to read the amounts into the record.

President Melcher: Okay.

Commissioner Tornatta: On the agreements for computer consultant services between Integrated Consultants and Vanderburgh County on behalf of the Sheriff this is identical to last year’s agreement. It is for one year, 1/1/2010 to 12/31/2010. The cost of the agreement is $10,609. As I said, same as last year. The agreement for Sheriff Williams operations of the Community Corrections for 2010, this agreement is identical to the form of agreement used for 2009 and 2008, including additional compensation to be paid for the operations of the program, and the cost of that agreement is $34,147. The agreement of compensation of Vanderburgh County Sheriff during 2010, identical to the 2009 agreement, even keeping the level of compensation at $85,921, the same as it was in 2009.

President Melcher: So, with that we have a first and a second. Do we have any further discussion? Anybody from the public? Madelyn?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Melcher: Department head reports. Does anybody, John, do you got anything?

John Stoll: I have one item and it’s a street acceptance request for Hamilton Creek Subdivision. This acceptance request consists of 514 feet of Derrington Drive, 460 feet of Cannelton Court, 231 feet of Barrington Court, and 735 feet of Mannington Court.

Commissioner Tornatta: Motion to approve.

Commissioner Winnecke: Second.

President Melcher: We have a first and second. Any discussion? Seeing none. Madelyn?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

John Stoll: That’s all I have. Thanks.

President Melcher: Anybody, any other?

President Melcher: Dennis Feldhaus, ONB Insurance. I saved the presentations till last.

Dennis Feldhaus: Does that mean you were saving the best till last? Dennis Feldhaus with Old National Insurance. Good evening, Commissioners. I’m here this evening to propose to you the renewal of the property and casualty insurance program for Vanderburgh County from February 1, 2010 to February 1, 2011.

Commissioner Tornatta: Thank you.

President Melcher: Thanks.

Dennis Feldhaus: I do have some good news to share with you, but before we get to the last page, I do want to point out just a few highlights in the large proposal that was just placed in front of you. Under the tab of property coverages, I would just like to highlight the fact that what we are insuring for Vanderburgh County, about half way down the page there’s a little star, we have $180,931,523 worth of insurance value, including all county properties, all county contents, all of the scheduled equipment. Some of that is listed there. This all includes the fiscal damage value of all the fleet, under the auto schedule. So, I just wanted to point that out as the total exposure of the county that we are currently insuring. Down at the bottom of that page, last year you approved an additional ten million, excuse me, yes, ten million of earthquake coverage, for a total of, a sub-limit of $76 million on that 180. We also have blanket flood for $35 million. I would like to propose before we leave this evening, to the Commissioners, to purchase an additional $24 million of earthquake coverage. There’s been plenty of coverage on earthquake in the past week and a half. I don’t need to explain to you the severity of that peril. That additional $24 million would run $28,750. I will come back to that in my premium summary page. Under the tab of liability coverages, just to highlight again that we have a ten million limit of liability, one million underlying and nine million excess liability, including law enforcement, public official, commercial auto and general liability. No changes from the expiring. Under workers compensation we are basing our excess premium for workers comp on the payroll submitted there. Annually Mr. Fluty does provide us the payrolls by class, we run the audit and we adjust accordingly. This is what we currently have as payroll by class. The most important page for your consideration this evening is the premium summary page. I am very pleased with what we were able to broker and provide for the county’s consideration this evening. The first column is the lines of coverage that I quickly went through by the tabs. The second column is the expiring premiums that you paid in the past twelve months. The third column is the renewal premium that we are asking for your approval this evening. The fourth column is the variance, and the fifth column is the variance in percentage. So, if you’re a bottom line person, you want to run down to the totals, you can see that the offer for renewal is five percent less and a savings of $47,000 over expiring. That’s good news. The optional excess earthquake that I mentioned earlier, there’s that figure of $28,750. If you choose to purchase that additional coverage, the total including the excess earthquake still would be two percent less than expiring premium. I think a good bargain for the Commissioners consideration this evening. Last is the good news is, we all have to run according to budget. We projected a five percent increase on this program on expiring 2009, we budgeted $1,213,122 for this year. With the excess earthquake addition, we would be coming in at $1,136,706, still a savings of seven percent under expiring. I would entertain any questions. I know that was a quick run through of a large proposal.

Commissioner Winnecke: Mr. President?

President Melcher: Go ahead.

Commissioner Winnecke: Dennis, to what can we attribute the reduction?

Dennis Feldhaus: A soft market still in the commercial property insurance. My experience for the past seven years I’ve been taking a lot of reduction in cost to a lot of commercial clients. Unlike some of my commercial clients where their exposure has been reduced by either revenue, sales or payroll, the county’s exposures still say the same. In fact, payroll was up a little bit. So, we got the reduction even without the reduction in exposure. That’s the good news.

Commissioner Tornatta: So, we see a savings of a little over $76,000? Is that what I read? Off what is budgeted for 2010?

Dennis Feldhaus: Yes, off of the 2010 budget figure. So, there’s two comparisons I’m making, one to budget and one to expiring.

President Melcher: And that’s adding the $24 million to the earthquake?

Dennis Feldhaus: That would give us $100 million of coverage on quake, with $180 million exposure.

Commissioner Winnecke: Dennis, are you looking for approval on this tonight?

Dennis Feldhaus: Yes. We have a February 1^st renewal date. I would need to order that binder coverage.

President Melcher: So, do we have any questions?

Commissioner Tornatta: One other question, what is the average coverage of a municipality? As far as, I know where we are and what we’re covering, where do we stand on that average?

Dennis Feldhaus: I’m not sure how to answer that question. The exposure is based on population of the entity and that varies. I could compare the county with two other entities that I currently insure, but they’re not near the size in population, and they’re not near the size in property values or payroll. So, that would be hard to do a comparison.

Commissioner Tornatta: I mean, I’m comfortable right now with offering more in your service and less in our cost to the tune of $76,000. So, I would make a motion to increase the earthquake insurance, and accept the budget of $1,136,706.50.

Commissioner Winnecke: Second.

President Melcher: We have a first and second. Any discussion? I have a question or so. Since we have to approve this tonight because of the February 1^st, could next year we get it a little sooner? Or does this create a problem?

Dennis Feldhaus: It’s difficult to get underwriters to get those pricings, I’ve requested that, obviously, I would like to have it by 1/1. This is not uncommon in my industry.

President Melcher: No, I understand, but if we could get it right after that and we have it at our first meeting, we could approve it at our second meeting comfortably.

Dennis Feldhaus: The first meeting would be in January?

President Melcher: Uh-huh. I’m just, I think you could try.

Dennis Feldhaus: I will attempt to get that accomplished.

President Melcher: As far as Troy’s question, I don’t know how you would get it, but I think you might be able to call a couple of other cities, everybody seems to be sharing information on what everybody makes. I think you might be able to call, you know, Ft. Wayne and a couple of others down the road and have some kind of comparison. That would probably help with Troy.

Dennis Feldhaus: Okay. I can provide that.

President Melcher: With that, any discussion from the public? Madelyn?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

Dennis Feldhaus: Thank you, Commissioners.

Commissioner Tornatta: Thank you, Dennis.

President Melcher: Thank you.

Commissioner Winnecke: Thanks, Dennis.

President Melcher: We have Kent Irwin with us with Waggoner Irwin Scheele and Associates on an operations study, I guess, or efficiency study, or something like that.

Kent Irwin: Yeah, a little of both. My name is Kent Irwin. I’m with Waggoner Irwin Scheele and Associates, based out of Muncie. I’ve provided you with an offer of services to conduct an operations review of Vanderburgh County, with a focus on human resources. The review would be all inclusive in terms of all departments, all offices of the county, and would include things such as the delivery of services in each office and department, the staffing of each department, potential reorganization or restructuring of both departments and jobs, looking at what is currently done in-house that might be outsourced, looking at things that are outsourced and what might be brought back in-house, the use of technologies and the effectiveness of those technologies in the performance of the delivery of service, looking at policies and past practices, looking at your reduction in force and layoff policies in the event that that day would come to make sure that those policies and procedures are non-discriminatory and that they’re carried out in an equitable way throughout the county, collecting external data, staffing, budgets, how other counties of like size do their business compared to Vanderburgh. We’ve done similar studies in St. Joe County, which I think would be a good comparative one to select. I think Allen would also be another one here in the State. I think maybe (tape flip) the United States would be good, but it’s somewhat difficult at times to compare Indiana counties to the way other states have their counties structured. For example, North Carolina has the courts, has the clerk’s office, prosecutors, those are all state employees. I know that sometimes that’s on a wish list of a lot of county officials here in Indiana, but that’s not the way it works. So, principally we stick to looking at the jurisdictions here in our state. We would also review areas of collaboration where if we can collaborate in-house with various offices, various departments, as well as looking at the potential for collaborating with other units of government, other entities. I don’t know, that may tie into what you were talking about earlier, but the delivery of service, I think, is coming to a point where cities and counties are having to look at the potential of doing more things together. Now, I know from having worked with the City of Evansville, having worked with Vanderburgh County many years ago, there are a number of things that you do through interlocal agreements such as your Plan Department, which is, at least in my view, a very positive way to deliver that service. There may be some other potential with some of your other offices and departments as well. We’ll also review the use of or lack of performance measures to be able to put or quantify the way we perform our services into some way of measure. Are we delivering the best we can with what we got to the citizens? The International City Management Association is a national group that has a set of benchmarks that virtually any municipality can enter into their data base and make comparisons through the use of that service. That may be a possibility. There’s a number of other statistically driven benchmark systems that are used by various cities and counties throughout the United States. This may be, again, something that you would want to focus on. Our approach would be to put together a work plan with the Commissioners setting out the priorities of your study. It will be tailored to meet your needs. We don’t have anything to pull off the shelf and say, here Vanderburgh County this is what you need. We would go through a process of collecting information directly from each of the elected officials. I think their input, the employees input are very important in this process so that we can get all the ideas on the table and then end up with a report that will come back to you with a set of findings, as well as recommendations for the future. I’m guessing, estimating based upon other studies that this would require six to eight months to complete. Again, depending upon the detail and depth that you want to see in certain areas as we go along. I’m estimating the cost is going to be somewhere between $60,000, what did I say here, $60,000 to close to $65,000, plus travel expenses. I have provided a bio of our company, as well as my own. We’ve been in business for over 30 years. We’ve worked in over 50 counties throughout the State, and that many cities and towns. Currently finishing up a project similar to this down the road in Vincennes.

President Melcher: I know the Mayor speaks highly of you and what you did for the city, because he told me that again tonight.

Kent Irwin: Thank you. Glad to hear that.

President Melcher: Any discussion?

Commissioner Winnecke: You know a couple of months ago I thought this was a great idea, and I still think it’s a great idea. I think the timing probably now is not as great given what is going on with the discussion to study the possibility of merging city government and county government. I don’t know how I could justify in my mind voting to approve an expenditure of $60,000 to $65,000 knowing that a reorganization committee is about to begin a process. I think, we could pay this money and come back with a number of recommendations and many of them could be moot based upon what happens with the reorganization committee. So, I would have hesitancy, great hesitancy in moving forward as presented.

Commissioner Tornatta: I would propose to Kent that we possibly take this to the County Council. Send them this packet, let them review kind of a list of issues that are before them. The County Council, I know President Lloyd wanted to do something very similar. I asked him if we could continue down this road to see what would be the best option. Take this to the County Council, get some feedback from them on the scope of services, if they’re looking for some type of services. You know, it might come to light that we want to take this and combine it with the study on the merger. At that point, if those individuals wanted to take this study and kind of go with the county on it, there’s a potential of cost savings for the fee. So, I mean, there’s a couple of different ways to skin this cat, and I think that at some point we need to get the blessing of the County Council, the scope of services that they would like to see, if any, in this process, and then see if this ties in with where the merger committee wants to evaluate.

Commissioner Winnecke: I guess, I mean I understand that and appreciate where you’re going with that. I guess, I still have an issue if the committee comes back and recommends, you know, consolidation at whatever level, what good is a county efficiency study that we’re paying a lot of money for if another committee is doing something and is going to recommend something maybe totally different?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yeah, I mean, I don’t know if we can rest our hat on the fact that that committee is going to be favorable for consolidation. So, I mean, we have to look at it in two different lights. I mean, if consolidation goes through, that’s fine, yeah, you’re right this turns into a moot point. If it doesn’t, then we’re left at the altar without a plan in place on how to handle employees, even changing our employee handbook and going through particular issues that affect how we control our, the employees without an HR Department. Right now we’re in a hiring freeze, yet we don’t really quantify what that means. I mean, we’ve discussed that. It’s awful hard to tell our officeholders, assuming we will have officeholders, that one employee is more compensable than another. Then, how do they plan out the future with their plans knowing that they’re going to be down two employees.

Commissioner Winnecke: I guess, I’m willing to, I don’t know that the county has that much liability by saying hey, we’re going to wait a number, you know, six to twelve months, the committee will have, by statute, twelve months to complete its work, I don’t know that the county has any really greater exposure than what we haven’t had, than we’ve had for years by waiting a number of months to see what happens with that. Then we could, I totally agree with you, yeah, let’s move forward, but I’ve made my point.

President Melcher: So, your suggestion is that he goes to the County Council?

Commissioner Tornatta: Well, I’ll just, he sent an e-mail, I’ll send this, that with a packet to the County Council and, you know, I mean, I understand Lloyd’s point. I, you know, it is a timing issue, there’s no question, but they were also going to pursue this type of individual to go ahead and do a service for them. So, if they’re still thinking along those lines, having the job study, you know, maybe we need to get together and talk about a scope. Maybe the scope is not as broad as what’s been presented here today.

President Melcher: Well, I think maybe at this point we just send it to the County Council. Would you be okay with that? Because if they’re looking at doing this–

Commissioner Winnecke: I guess, theoretically, I mean–

President Melcher: I’m not–

Commissioner Winnecke: –theoretically, I still feel the same. I mean, I still feel the same that it doesn’t matter if we’re voting on it or the County Council. That doesn’t change my mind.

President Melcher: Okay.

Kent Irwin: I might make two points here. One, there are certain items in the Evansville study that touched upon collaboration with the county that have not been thoroughly reviewed on the county side. Secondly, is this other group going to have a professional study done, or is it going to be the group developing the ideas and coming forward? I think if the group doesn’t have support in terms of someone who’s staffing and following up between meetings, then I’ve seen these committees often times end up being a lot of people meeting and talking, listening to the public, but then not having a plan on the table where you have to do some homework, you have to collect data. You need to show where you’re going to have a savings. There are certain things that, I think, the general citizen doesn’t clearly understand. They see you all coming to work in the same building, but we have the courts, the judiciary has their responsibility that is carved in statute that we’re not going to have the Mayor being the head of Vanderburgh County Courts. I mean, that’s a State function. But, we do have employees that work for the courts that are county employees. We have a number of county programs that are dedicated to the county. How that gets translated in terms of any consolidation, I think you’re looking at a long term plan or theory at that point. What we’re talking about here is taking a look at the way you’re currently conducting business and how perhaps you can conduct your business more effectively and to avoid costs. It’s a cost avoidance in terms of some of the liability that comes by the way of how you conduct layoffs or reductions or mergers. So, I think that there’s a broader picture here. Since it came up, and I would like to share a name with you, any of you to follow up with, and that is a guy by the name of Eric Kelly, who is the former Dean of the Architectural School. He’s a nationally known consultant in planning. He’s at Ball State, and he’s currently heading up the committee that you’re talking about for Muncie and Delaware County. He’s chairing that committee. I think he may be someone who could throw some light on the process that they’ve gone through, and perhaps some of the issues that have come up that you would like some answers to that you’re not completely satisfied at the moment.

Commissioner Winnecke: I think you make a great point, and, I guess, you know, down the road, and it may be sooner rather than later, once this reorganization committee is constituted and really begins its work, they may raise their hand and say we need professional services. Then, I think at that point this body, in conjunction with the leadership of the city, would sit down with your organization or whomever and then engage them in a manner that can really advance that group’s work versus once the county goes ahead and spends sixty some odd thousand dollars initially and it may or may not pan out down the road.

Commissioner Tornatta: Right, and I’m not in any position to recommend this tonight. But, I would want to at least get this in front of the County Council so we don’t have, if we decide that we want to wait a little bit before doing some type of services, that they’re on board with that, and not going out there and trying to do the same thing that we’re cautioning moving forward tonight.

President Melcher: Okay, so your recommendation is we’re going to–

Commissioner Tornatta: But, at this point I would recommend that we just take it, serve it to the County Council, let them look at it, get some feedback from them, and then tell them of our issue with the consolidation moving forward, recognize that Kent was here tonight, and tell them that those services are out there for their utilization at some point.

Commissioner Winnecke: I mean, we really don’t need to take an action on it?

Commissioner Tornatta: No, we don’t take an action tonight.

President Melcher: No, no.

Commissioner Winnecke: If Kent, and, you know, it’s probably a good idea, if he wants to contact them and be placed on their agenda, which I think is not unreasonable, they may have a totally different take on it.

Kent Irwin: Very good. Thanks for your time.

Commissioner Tornatta: Thank you, sir.

President Melcher: Thank you.

Commissioner Winnecke: Appreciate it.

President Melcher: I guess, now we ought to go to one that’s not on the agenda. David, don’t you have one that’s not on the agenda tonight? Something about the Assessor and trending, I think that’s what Mike’s here for.

David Miller: Ah, yes.

President Melcher: Mike, you might want to go ahead and come up. It was on the agenda, off the agenda.

David Miller: Since it went off the agenda, I did not know we were going to take it up in the meeting, but it is, there is a combination of bids that have been submitted to the County Assessor. Bids by Tyler Appraisal and Property Solutions and A & S Associates, both of them offering trending services for the Assessor. The Assessor is interested in resolving this as soon as possible. My understanding is that the Tyler bid is somewhat less than the A & S bid, but there are certain reasons that the County Assessor may have for wishing to take, for wishing to accept the A & S Associates bid. In my absence from the city last week, Mike, Michael Schopmeyer, who is at the podium, has been in touch with my partner, Ted Ziemer. Michael represents A & S Associates, and there are some questions that Ted Ziemer is addressing with Mike Schopmeyer wishing to examine into the completeness and the details of the respective bids, in order to determine if there would be any legal problem, in Ted’s opinion, if the County Assessor would choose to accept the higher bid. That determination has not been made by Ted yet, and that is unfortunate because the County Assessor, who I understand is not present tonight—

President Melcher: But Glen’s here.

David Miller: Glen is here?

President Melcher: Yes.

David Miller: The County Assessor wants to move forward with this matter as soon as possible. So, Ted and I discussed this this afternoon, we concluded that subject to what the Commissioners wish to do, in order not to delay this any longer than possible, it would be acceptable if the County Commissioners determined that the Assessor is authorized to accept either of these bids subject to the opinion of the County Attorney, which will be forthcoming after further investigation that the county is not exposing itself legally to claim by the lower bidder.

Commissioner Tornatta: That would also be a bidder that’s most responsive to the needs of the Assessor, and could eventually be a lower bidder potentially.

David Miller: It could potentially be either bidder.

Commissioner Tornatta: Right.

David Miller: At this point.

Commissioner Tornatta: Exactly.

David Miller: The requirement is that the officeholder select the most responsive and lowest and best bid. That issue is still in the air in terms of the legal determination.

Commissioner Tornatta: Just for clarification, the reason why this is in the air is because the lowest bid has been deemed not as responsive as the higher bid, and that’s the reason why they are going through this process.

David Miller: There is that opinion.

President Melcher: I guess, the only question I have, and, Glen, you will probably have to come to the microphone and answer this one, this trending didn’t start now, who’s been doing it?

Glen Koob: Glen Koob, Real Estate Deputy County Assessor’s Office. Chuck Simon has done it for the last two years.

President Melcher: So, which one is Chuck Simon?

Glen Koob: Oh, I’m sorry, A & S Associates–

President Melcher: Okay.

Glen Koob: –has been. He was kind of like on a three year plan, considering that he got appointed by the Commissioners, or his contract was okayed by the Commissioners.

President Melcher: A couple of years ago, right?

Glen Koob: Yes.

President Melcher: Okay.

Glen Koob: He’s been doing this since 2007-2008, 2000, yeah ‘08 and ‘09, and this will be ‘10.

President Melcher: Okay.

Glen Koob: But, he also helped clean up the 2006. We had another company, and we trust Chuck and he does a good job. He goes in, he does the informal hearings, he does multi-unit residential, GRM, which I’m not sure the other bidder is going to do, and he has a few other services. I don’t know if I can say this or not, the bids really don’t relate to the services that are going to be provided. Tyler Technology has a $600 per day clause in there for anything that they consider over and above commercial and industrial.

President Melcher: And A & S doesn’t have that? They just gave you a fee?

Glen Koob: A & S has zero. A & S does informal hearings, they do the multi-residential at no charge, it’s included in that price. So, they really don’t compare as far as what you’re getting for $78,000, or whatever the price is, and what you’re getting for the $98,000. They really don’t, the $78,200, I believe.

President Melcher: You really don’t know what you’re getting is what you’re saying, for the 78.

Glen Koob: Exactly. For the 78 there’s some things in there that we’re going to have to pay $600 a day, and it’s going to, you know, come around after the contract’s...$600 a day, I’m sorry, and it’s going to come around after the contract is signed.

President Melcher: Yeah.

Glen Koob: I really don’t think....that happened before.

President Melcher: No, that’s like a blanket deal. How long does this normally take?

Glen Koob: How long does the trending normally take?

President Melcher: Yes.

Glen Koob: We have to be finished with that trending, speaking of time line, by, Jonathan, the Assessor, wants to be finished by March 1^st, or sorry, May 1^st of 2010. The State wants it up there, our assessments up there and our trending by May the 31^st of 2010. So, January’s already gone, so they have three months.

President Melcher: So, there’s a lot of days at $600 maybe?

Glen Koob: Yes. Well, and let me say this too, Commissioner, after it’s finished there’s a lot of days. They don’t only do it up until May the 31^st, after that they have to go to the informal hearings for the PTABOA or the Board of Review. Anybody that would file an appeal, they need to go in and say, sit down and talk with that and see if they can come to a conclusion before it goes to the Board of Review, a recommendation actually. So, that goes on after the May 31^st that we send it to the State for their approval.

Commissioner Tornatta: 45 days would be around $27,000. I mean–

Glen Koob: Uh-huh, well–

President Melcher: It could be more than that.

Commissioner Tornatta: Well, I’m just–

Glen Koob: Yes.

Commissioner Tornatta: –saying if it was a 45 day period in a year, you’re looking at $27,000.

Glen Koob: Yes.

Commissioner Tornatta: I don’t know how much the other group, how many days they worked outside the contract.

Glen Koob: It was all included in the contract.

Commissioner Tornatta: Well, I guess, their extra services–

Glen Koob: Uh-huh, yes.

Commissioner Tornatta: –are part–

President Melcher: Well, you know what the price is with that.

Glen Koob: Right.

Commissioner Tornatta: Right.

Glen Koob: You know what the price is with that. That’s the problem with the other contract, or the other bidder is that you don’t know what they’re going to charge. I know there’s some things in that contract that is in the other one that we need to be done that is going to be $600 a day.

Commissioner Tornatta: Well, as I see–

Glen Koob: I don’t know how many days.

Commissioner Tornatta: Mr. President, as I see it, we have to let the attorneys come up with an opinion on how the contract is read and what services that Tyler would have the $600 stipend on. At that point he would have to make a decision with the County Assessor, but, I’m okay with the lowest and most responsive bidder. At this point I don’t think it’s clearly available to us.

Glen Koob: Okay, did Mr. Schopmeyer...since he’s here did he have anything to say about the legal part? I do have an e-mail from County Assessor Weaver about his opinion and what he would like to see done, because he would like to have it settled as soon as possible. He e-mailed me at–

President Melcher: No, we understand.

Glen Koob: –4:25 today.

President Melcher: We understand that.

Glen Koob: Okay, thank you.

President Melcher: Mike?

Mike Schopmeyer: We’re agreeable with the County Attorney’s recommendation, which is for you to give the authority to the Assessor’s Office, in consultation with the County Attorney’s office, and to give them the authority to contract with whichever of the two bidders is lowest, most responsive and best, which is the statutory requirement.

Commissioner Winnecke: I really don’t care which vendor gets the business. I would agree whoever is the lowest and most responsive. I guess, I feel, I’m not really comfortable with the process that’s been proposed, although I can appreciate why it’s being proposed. I don’t think we would lose too much time, I mean, I’m assuming that we’ll have an opinion from the County Attorney’s office some time this week, I assume. We would receive that, we could post 48 hours notice and have a special meeting. I would be more comfortable doing it that way than saying, than what’s been proposed. That’s my personal opinion.

David Miller: It can be done either way.

Commissioner Winnecke: Right.

President Melcher: I just don’t want to sign on two contracts.

David Miller: We would not recommend that you sign on two contracts, sir.

Commissioner Tornatta: The process would be, if we approve the Attorney to give his legal opinion, that would be made to all three of us and to the Assessor. The Assessor would make his recommendation, and then we would sign it or not sign it.

President Melcher: And, the Attorney agrees with that?

Commissioner Tornatta: That’s how we will--

David Miller: You would then, if you would authorize this process that has been suggested in order to accelerate the process as much as possible, it would avoid the necessity of the special meeting, but we would circulate the contract that was first selected by the Assessor and approved by the written opinion of our office.

President Melcher: So, the end result is going to be the same if we have the special meeting?

Commissioner Tornatta: The end result is we would not have the liability on the county–

President Melcher: Right, but I’m just saying if we go ahead and have the special meeting we’re going to vote on the one that he suggested anyway is what you’re saying?

Commissioner Winnecke: The difference would be timing, because we would provide the necessary legal requirement to post a special meeting, so that’s 48 hours. So, that’s the difference, it’s timing.

Commissioner Tornatta: And, I guess, a little cost for the difference in the prices.

President Melcher: I don’t have a problem either way with it.

Commissioner Tornatta: I just–

President Melcher: I’ve kind of made up my mind which one already, I mean, it’s obvious.

Commissioner Tornatta: I would just make a recommendation, I mean, I make a motion to follow the recommendation of the County Attorney.

President Melcher: Okay, I’ll second the recommendation of the County Attorney. Any further discussion? Anybody from the public? Madelyn?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: No.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 2-1. Commissioner Winnecke opposed.)

President Melcher: Okay, board appointments.

Commissioner Tornatta: Did we do this? County Auditor?

President Melcher: Oh, I don’t know.

Commissioner Winnecke: We didn’t do that.

President Melcher: No, we didn’t.

Commissioner Tornatta: I would like to make a motion for permission to advertise 2009 statements of receipts and expenditures legal ad to be published on 1/22/10 for the County Auditor.

Commissioner Winnecke: Second.

President Melcher: Any further discussion? Anybody from the audience? Madelyn?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Melcher: Okay, board appointments. We only have one and that’s on the PTABOA Board, that was talked about already this evening, just now.

Commissioner Tornatta: I think they’re going to do both of them.

President Melcher: We’re going to do both of them?

Commissioner Tornatta: I make a recommendation on the PTABOA Board for Kurt Kiefer and for Aaron Kendall.

Commissioner Winnecke: Second.

President Melcher: Any discussion? Madelyn?

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Melcher: New business? Old business?

President Melcher: Any public comment? Anybody from the audience that would like to say anything this evening?

Mike Mahan: For your records, my name is Mike Mahan, it’s M-a-h-a-n, and I live at 1140 East Gum, Evansville. I have one question, please. Who is going to absorb the cost of the consolidation committee?

Commissioner Tornatta: Last time this was done there were private funds raised.

Mike Mahan: Okay.

Commissioner Tornatta: The consolidation committee, now I don’t know if that’s the intent this time.

Mike Mahan: One reason I ask that question was at the City Council meeting, the City Attorney, you know, for the Council said that the committee could hire an attorney. So, that doesn’t leave it clear whether it was private funds or public funds.

Commissioner Tornatta: I’m just going off of what it was last time.

Mike Mahan: That’s fine. I do think that that is one point that should be made clear to the public. If it is going to be privately financed, fine. If it’s going to be publicly financed, fine, but there should be some clarification on that.

Commissioner Tornatta: Right, and I agree. I don’t necessarily know at this point what it is. I mean, I think we’re going to have to put in some type–

Mike Mahan: Right.

Commissioner Tornatta: –of public funds for some of the aspects that we want to find out.

Mike Mahan: I had one other recommendation, and I spoke at the City Council meeting also, whomever you select for the committee, there should be one at least retired or senior citizen on the committee, because these decisions could adversely affect people in that position. Thank you.

Commissioner Tornatta: Thank you.

Commissioner Winnecke: Thanks, Mike.

President Melcher: Thank you. Next?

Eldon Maasberg: My name is Eldon Maasberg. I was listening to what you guys talked about that feasible study a minute ago. It seems like to me, unless you’re going to crawl in bed with the Mayor, you ought to go ahead and run that study, because we, as a county, it might be to our advantage to hear what he’s got to say in the end. We’ve got the Sheriff back there, we don’t have a city jail, we’ve got a county jail. We need to know where he’s going to fit in in the end. Thank you.

President Melcher: You’re welcome. Any other public comment?

President Melcher: Alright, consent items.

Commissioner Tornatta: Motion to approve.

Commissioner Winnecke: Second.

President Melcher: Madelyn, would you like to read them?

Madelyn Grayson: The consent items for the January 19^th meeting are as follows; approval of the January 5, 2010 Commission meeting minutes; employment changes, there are two for the Commissioners to initial this evening, one for Legal Aid and one for the Health Department; the Commissioners request to extend deadline for payment of back taxes to March 1, 2010 for the following properties; 2828 Dennison, 719 Covert, 1201 N. Main, 501 E. Mulberry, 907 N. Elliot, 530 E. Franklin, 745 Bellemeade, 213 W. Indiana, 812 E. Gum , 615 Bayard Park, 817 Blackford, 620 E. Gum, 927 E. Mulberry, 710 E. Gum, 1001 Cherry, 836 Bellemeade, 1405 Adams, 826 Judson, 820 E. Gum, 200 S. Grand, 301 W. Maryland, and 1406 Fountain Avenue; the County Treasurer has the November 30, 2009 year-to-date report and the November 2009 monthly report; Center Township Trustee has the 2010 standards and procedures; the County Assessor has a surplus request for one laserjet printer; the Building Authority has a request to waive the fees/not OT for an arena pre-bid meeting on February 9^th; the County Engineer has pay request number 97 for $580,725.72 for TIF projects, and a department head report; the County Auditor has a covered bridge certification; Burdette Park has a comparison report from January to December from 2008 to 2009 and a department head report; and the Ozone Officer has a December 2009 monthly report.

President Melcher: Is there any further discussion? Anybody in the audience that has a question? We have a motion already. Madelyn, call the roll.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Winnecke?

Commissioner Winnecke: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: Commissioner Tornatta?

Commissioner Tornatta: Yes.

Madelyn Grayson: President Melcher?

President Melcher: Yes.

(Motion approved 3-0)

President Melcher: With that, is there anything else to come before the Commissioners this evening? We don’t have a Drainage Board meeting this evening right afterwards, so we’ll stand adjourned.

(The meeting was adjourned at 6:40 p.m.)

CONSENT ITEMS:

Commissioners:

Approval of the January 5, 2010 Commission Meeting Minutes.

Request to Extend Deadline for Payment of Back Taxes: 22 Properties.

Center Township Trustee 2010 Standards and Procedures.

Building Authority: Waiver of Centre Fee/Not OT: 2/9/10 Arena Pre-Bid Meeting.

Employment Changes:

Treasurer (1)                            Auditor (1)                                 Legal Aid (1)

County Assessor (1)                 Sheriff (3)                                  Prosecutor (1)

Health Dept. (1)

Treasurer:

November 30, 2009 Year-to-Date Report.

November 2009 Monthly Report.

County Assessor: Surplus Request Letter: One Laserjet Printer.

County Engineer:

Pay Request No. 97: Green River-Burkhardt TIF Projects.

Department Head Report.

Auditor: Covered Bridge Certification.

Burdette Park:

Comparison: January to December 2008 to 2009.

Department Head Report.

Ozone Officer: December 2009 Monthly Report.

Those in Attendance:

Stephen Melcher                      Troy Tornatta                            Lloyd Winnecke

Bill Fluty                                    David Miller                               Madelyn Grayson

Ellen Dippel                              McKenzie Thomas                    Jill Gehlhausen

Tim Roman                               Lee Rudisill                               Eric Williams

Rick Davis                                Dennis Feldhaus                      Kent Irwin

John Stoll                                  Steve Craig                               Glen Koob

Mike Schopmeyer                     Mike Mahan                              Eldon Maasberg

Others Unidentified                   Members of Media

VANDERBURGH COUNTY

BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS

Stephen Melcher, President

Troy Tornatta, Vice President

Lloyd Winnecke, Member

(Recorded and transcribed by Madelyn Grayson.)